(08-30-2015 02:29 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 12:51 PM)uofl05 Wrote:  It's funny to see people kind of making snide comments that we lucked into the ACC.

It's not a snide remark. You, in your fandom, may be taking it that way, but the truth of the matter is, if Maryland doesn't leave the ACC, Louisville is still in the AAC or possibly the B12.

uofl05 Wrote:That may be true, but we are better than Maryland in nearly everything athletics wise

It is true. And while we agree that Louisville IS better than Maryland across the board, the fact still remains that it took divine intervention to get Louisville "IN".

So in that sense, you DID luck into the conference.

Now, many of us -- me included -- are GLAD you lucked in, but you lucked in nonetheless.

Welcome aboard.


Play the ACCbbs Football Pickem while you're around.

I would agree with that.

Expansion is always about money and at the time Louisville was and still is way ahead of any non power 5 schools. Louisville actually money wise is ahead of every ACC school except ND. But out of the non power 5 schools UCONN was next with Cincy not even in the ball park. I think BYU was after UCONN.

(08-30-2015 02:29 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 12:51 PM)uofl05 Wrote:  It's funny to see people kind of making snide comments that we lucked into the ACC.

It's not a snide remark. You, in your fandom, may be taking it that way, but the truth of the matter is, if Maryland doesn't leave the ACC, Louisville is still in the AAC or possibly the B12.

uofl05 Wrote:That may be true, but we are better than Maryland in nearly everything athletics wise

It is true. And while we agree that Louisville IS better than Maryland across the board, the fact still remains that it took divine intervention to get Louisville "IN".

So in that sense, you DID luck into the conference.

Now, many of us -- me included -- are GLAD you lucked in, but you lucked in nonetheless.

Welcome aboard.


Play the ACCbbs Football Pickem while you're around.

I've said it before and will stick to it. We may have been the last team to join the P5, BUT we weren't the last team to leave the G5. We noticed our exit. We were either going to join the Big 12 or go Indy. My bet is that we would have been considered a P5 opponent. Our other sports would have probably joined the Big East.
I'm thankful for the ACC invite because I think this can be a great conference.
God has enough to do, we did and can take care of ourselves.

I've got nothing against Cincinnati but I already think that a 14 team conference is to large. So unless it is a sure thing that we add not ND I don't want anybody.

(08-30-2015 05:23 PM)ULdave Wrote:  I've got nothing against Cincinnati but I already think that a 14 team conference is to large. So unless it is a sure thing that we add not ND I don't want anybody.

Yup....ND, Penn State or Texas.....

(08-30-2015 03:42 PM)7thHeaven Wrote:  Expansion is always about money and at the time Louisville was and still is way ahead of any non power 5 schools. Louisville actually money wise is ahead of every ACC school except ND. But out of the non power 5 schools UCONN was next with Cincy not even in the ball park. I think BYU was after UCONN.

You forgot about FSU. ND and FSU are the two ACC schools with budgets over $100 million.

(08-30-2015 04:03 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  You forgot to share KY between the conferences, and while FL and SC might be somewhat close to 50/50 between the conferences GA and KY aren't even close.

And while I have no doubt that a potential ACC Network would be a huge draw in NC, SC, FL and VA I have serious doubts about anywhere else. If cable providers in Philadelphia, Lexington, Indianapolis, NYC, or even Savannah wanted to make an issue about being forced to add the ACC Network are you confident that would be a fight the ACC/ESPN would win? The only reason the SEC Network got carried on several cable companies in the Columbia, SC area's lower tier was the fact that South Carolina and Texas A&M opened on the SEC Network. How many cable companies that provide service in GA would do the same if GT was on a potential ACC Network?

I got to admit this paragraph made me laugh out loud. South Carolina is no more 50/50 than Georgia or Kentucky. How can states that have universities in the largest cities (Atlanta and Louisville) not be close to 50/50 and but some hamlet in the middle of nowhere South Carolina has as many fans as the State University.

This is truly another example of the typical ACC fan's lack of common knowledge when it comes to Louisville athletics.

Louisville games are already carried live in Indianapolis, Cincinnati and Lexington on the CSN. Fans in Indianapolis and Lexington won't squeal anymore about paying for an ACC Network than Louisville and Kentucky or Louisville and Indiana fans complained about paying for The Big Ten or SEC Network.

(08-30-2015 06:44 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 03:42 PM)7thHeaven Wrote:  Expansion is always about money and at the time Louisville was and still is way ahead of any non power 5 schools. Louisville actually money wise is ahead of every ACC school except ND. But out of the non power 5 schools UCONN was next with Cincy not even in the ball park. I think BYU was after UCONN.

You forgot about FSU. ND and FSU are the two ACC schools with budgets over $100 million.

When Louisville joined The ACC we had a larger budget than FSU. FSU surpassed Louisville this year.

(08-30-2015 03:42 PM)7thHeaven Wrote:  Expansion is always about money and at the time Louisville was and still is way ahead of any non power 5 schools. Louisville actually money wise is ahead of every ACC school except ND. But out of the non power 5 schools UCONN was next with Cincy not even in the ball park. I think BYU was after UCONN.

You can't always draw an honest conclusion from those revenue figures...lots of state schools pump up the numbers with mandated student activities fees.

(08-30-2015 12:51 PM)uofl05 Wrote:  It's funny to see people kind of making snide comments that we lucked into the ACC. That may be true, but we are better than Maryland in nearly everything athletics wise, and to be honest, it was a crime we weren't in a power conference sooner based on actual accomplishments, fan support, facilities, etc. just saying.

What ecuacc4ever said.

You simply were NOT going to be in the ACC had UMD not left. You were NOT going to receive an invite. You were NOT on the radar. UC was NOT on the radar. UConn WAS, but was despised by the football schools.

You don't have to like the facts, but that doesn't change them.

And I'm saying this as a fan who pulled for UL to be added and as a fan of a school who pulled for UL to be added (...but only after UMD left).

Honestly, by this point, you would've likely been in the Big 12. So all would not have been lost. And maybe the Big 12 would've added UC to join with you to make 12. Who knows. But you were not an EXPANSION target of the ACC.

(08-30-2015 08:36 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 06:44 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 03:42 PM)7thHeaven Wrote:  Expansion is always about money and at the time Louisville was and still is way ahead of any non power 5 schools. Louisville actually money wise is ahead of every ACC school except ND. But out of the non power 5 schools UCONN was next with Cincy not even in the ball park. I think BYU was after UCONN.

You forgot about FSU. ND and FSU are the two ACC schools with budgets over $100 million.

When Louisville joined The ACC we had a larger budget than FSU. FSU surpassed Louisville this year.

Which year budget year are your specifically referencing? I don't particularly care. FSU bumped up in 2012 to ~$100M, I believe. Then back down to ~$85M in 2013. And up again to ~$105M in 2014. UL is fortunate to have a nice deal with the Yum Center. You wouldn't be near the top of the ACC without that, but you'd be well above the ACC average (which isn't very good, no offense - offense intended towards the rest of the ACC).

(08-30-2015 09:44 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 08:36 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 06:44 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 03:42 PM)7thHeaven Wrote:  Expansion is always about money and at the time Louisville was and still is way ahead of any non power 5 schools. Louisville actually money wise is ahead of every ACC school except ND. But out of the non power 5 schools UCONN was next with Cincy not even in the ball park. I think BYU was after UCONN.

You forgot about FSU. ND and FSU are the two ACC schools with budgets over $100 million.

When Louisville joined The ACC we had a larger budget than FSU. FSU surpassed Louisville this year.

Which year budget year are your specifically referencing? I don't particularly care. FSU bumped up in 2012 to ~$100M, I believe. Then back down to ~$85M in 2013. And up again to ~$105M in 2014. UL is fortunate to have a nice deal with the Yum Center. You wouldn't be near the top of the ACC without that, but you'd be well above the ACC average (which isn't very good, no offense - offense intended towards the rest of the ACC).

Marge...Cuse does pretty damn well despite football suckage for 15 years.

(08-30-2015 02:37 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 02:29 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 12:51 PM)uofl05 Wrote:  It's funny to see people kind of making snide comments that we lucked into the ACC.

It's not a snide remark. You, in your fandom, may be taking it that way, but the truth of the matter is, if Maryland doesn't leave the ACC, Louisville is still in the AAC or possibly the B12.

uofl05 Wrote:That may be true, but we are better than Maryland in nearly everything athletics wise

It is true. And while we agree that Louisville IS better than Maryland across the board, the fact still remains that it took divine intervention to get Louisville "IN".

So in that sense, you DID luck into the conference.

Now, many of us -- me included -- are GLAD you lucked in, but you lucked in nonetheless.

Welcome aboard.


Play the ACCbbs Football Pickem while you're around.

I would agree with that.

Me too!!

(08-30-2015 10:05 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 09:44 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 08:36 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 06:44 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 03:42 PM)7thHeaven Wrote:  Expansion is always about money and at the time Louisville was and still is way ahead of any non power 5 schools. Louisville actually money wise is ahead of every ACC school except ND. But out of the non power 5 schools UCONN was next with Cincy not even in the ball park. I think BYU was after UCONN.

You forgot about FSU. ND and FSU are the two ACC schools with budgets over $100 million.

When Louisville joined The ACC we had a larger budget than FSU. FSU surpassed Louisville this year.

Which year budget year are your specifically referencing? I don't particularly care. FSU bumped up in 2012 to ~$100M, I believe. Then back down to ~$85M in 2013. And up again to ~$105M in 2014. UL is fortunate to have a nice deal with the Yum Center. You wouldn't be near the top of the ACC without that, but you'd be well above the ACC average (which isn't very good, no offense - offense intended towards the rest of the ACC).

Marge...Cuse does pretty damn well despite football suckage for 15 years.

Maybe I misread but I was referring to UL vs FSU (and ND) in terms of ACC standing. I've been told SU does well. And they do better than the ACC average. But the ACC average is garbage, and there are plenty of ACC schools to blame for that garbage figure.

It'd be nice if the fuzzy Orange balls were at least 7-5 every year to go with a marquee player every few years. As I said not long ago, I like it when Cuse was good in the 90s. I don't believe that level of success is sustainable anymore for SU, but a level of quality far beyond what you've been for the last decade is easily achievable.

(08-30-2015 11:00 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 12:03 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Cincinnati is revenue negative unless they are a requirement to launch the ACCN. It is difficult to imagine that being the case. Cincinnati only delivers a bit of Cincinnati and NKY. They can't even get a 2 for 1 with Ohio State, much less a home and home.

Louisville only got the invite because Maryland executed their own football program for the indefinite future for the pursuit of a short term cash gain that would allow them to not cut deeply unprofitable Olympic sports... a move I would still describe to this day as highly questionable. Do you know anybody else in the ACC who'd take a solo ride to the B1G right now to free a spot for Cincinnati? It is again difficult to imagine such a scenario.

What does that have to do with anything? UC signed that stupid contract with OSU when we were in CUSA. But we have home and homes with IU, Purdue, UCLA, Nebraska, BYU, Hurricanes etc.

It's actually even wrong. The series with Ohio State was a home and home. OSU and UC struck a deal, cash to move the game back to Columbus. A generous donation to the Nippert expansion fund. These are the moves you make when you don't have a big TV contract.

I thought OSU played at UC in like 2002 or so. For some reason I recall UC having a chance to win it at the end of the game and missing several shots at the endzone.

(08-30-2015 09:40 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 12:51 PM)uofl05 Wrote:  It's funny to see people kind of making snide comments that we lucked into the ACC. That may be true, but we are better than Maryland in nearly everything athletics wise, and to be honest, it was a crime we weren't in a power conference sooner based on actual accomplishments, fan support, facilities, etc. just saying.

What ecuacc4ever said.

You simply were NOT going to be in the ACC had UMD not left. You were NOT going to receive an invite. You were NOT on the radar. UC was NOT on the radar. UConn WAS, but was despised by the football schools.

You don't have to like the facts, but that doesn't change them.

And I'm saying this as a fan who pulled for UL to be added and as a fan of a school who pulled for UL to be added (...but only after UMD left).

Honestly, by this point, you would've likely been in the Big 12. So all would not have been lost. And maybe the Big 12 would've added UC to join with you to make 12. Who knows. But you were not an EXPANSION target of the ACC.

(08-31-2015 02:05 AM)Crimsonelf Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 09:40 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 12:51 PM)uofl05 Wrote:  It's funny to see people kind of making snide comments that we lucked into the ACC. That may be true, but we are better than Maryland in nearly everything athletics wise, and to be honest, it was a crime we weren't in a power conference sooner based on actual accomplishments, fan support, facilities, etc. just saying.

What ecuacc4ever said.

You simply were NOT going to be in the ACC had UMD not left. You were NOT going to receive an invite. You were NOT on the radar. UC was NOT on the radar. UConn WAS, but was despised by the football schools.

You don't have to like the facts, but that doesn't change them.

And I'm saying this as a fan who pulled for UL to be added and as a fan of a school who pulled for UL to be added (...but only after UMD left).

Honestly, by this point, you would've likely been in the Big 12. So all would not have been lost. And maybe the Big 12 would've added UC to join with you to make 12. Who knows. But you were not an EXPANSION target of the ACC.

You don't have to like me. But you have to like it when you step in my Schottzie's poop on Riverfront's 110 degree Astro Turf. Put a cabbage leaf on your head under your ball cap.

Seriously, Like Pittsburgh, Syracuse, VT, FSU, GT, BC, Miami,ND (for Non Football), Louisville is in the ACC Now and hopefully forever going forward. It's Now about the ACC besting the SEC, B1G, Big 12 and PAC in OOC and Bowl Games to become the best We can be. We pull for Our school first but support the League first against the others.

Certainly helps, but the basketball program made a ton of money while at Freedom Hall, too. With more football stadium expansion and ACC $, its only going to increase.