(10-22-2015 08:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-22-2015 04:39 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Utter bull**** Tom.

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Well put.

I've had employees I didn't know were gay until years later seeing with someone else who I knew was. I've got a couple of fairly good friends I'm not sure if they are or aren't. Its maybe 50% chance. Its not important. We don't really discuss the things you say everyone talks about.

Houston doesn't really need this ordinance because few people are as obsessed with it as Tom. Its not important at work. I've been in a really, really conservative company with as obviously and openly gay man as you could imagine. But he was still treated like family.

Just because one company behaves (or more importantly, one division in one company) doesn't mean that that EVERYONE or even most people behave.

Discrimination in Houston is real. Its very important to those of us who are the subject of anti-Gay employment discrimination. Its real easy for a straight person, who will never face discrimination based upon his sexual orientation, to dismiss the very real problem of employment discrimination. And for Transgendered Houstonians, the problem of employment discrimination is even more important.

Anyway, if discrimination never happens in Houston, then you shouldn't be concerned with HERO being upheld. The only reason to reject it is to discriminate in employment.

(10-22-2015 09:09 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(10-22-2015 04:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-22-2015 04:39 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Utter bull**** Tom.

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Yea, how many non-fundamentalists are there on Theodore or Baldwin County's football team.

And these are PUBLIC schools.

By the way, I grew up in Alabama. You want playing time, well then you better be right with the FCA. You want to coach? You better be right with the FCA.

The friggin head of the AHSAA is unconcerned of the perception (justified IMHO) of public school coaches using their position of power over players as a recruiting tool for their churches.

That article ran on Monday. The only coach that didn't seem like a problem was the one at Davidson HS.

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And the FCA is very anti-Gay. Very, very, very anti-Gay.

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I suppose this probably deserves its own thread. But understand that part of the problem is that Gay players and those that want to coach get locked out because they aren't members/supporters of the FCA along the way. The NFL's lockout of Gay players is a simple continuation of that. Tolerance of discrimination against non-fundy players in high school and college begats discrimination in the NFL.

But the NFL, instead of combating that, amplifies it by supporting discrimination and by providing special access to anti-Gay religious groups to their workplace. Access that few other private business would think about providing.

As someone who also grew up in Alabama and played sports at a public big school, I can safely say there was zero FCA involvement at my school. Tom is just talking out his ass again. I played 2 sports throughout high school in the state's largest classification. I also attended the large southern baptist church in town too.

The amount of paranoia is pretty funny.

Well maybe you weren't pulled out of class to go to a Southern Baptist Church revival against your parents wishes (as I was) or watched the President of your FCA physically Gay bash two guys that he thought were gay on the streets of Memphis. He's now a coach. Yea!

Zero FCA involvement at your school? Well that's not the case in South Alabama. See the other thread. It refers to potentially coercive behavior at most Mobile/Baldwin County public schools.

Your welcome to go to the other thread, where we can discuss it there.

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Back to the thread...NFL owner endorses employment discrimination against Gay persons. NFL doesn't sanction such views.

No one's buying Tom. Most likely 'cause nothing you say is TRUE.

(10-22-2015 04:43 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-22-2015 04:27 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  I'm sure the NFL is scared of losing that big gay football fan demographic.
pathetic

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They should be scared of our voting against their next dollar grab from the taxpayers. Gays and those that support them are usually dominant in the urban areas that the NFL demands support from.

If HERO is rejected, expect it to be brought up in Carson.

We also can control city councils. Lets see if we can get them to start mandating monetizing NFL subsidies from cable contracts and demanding that the wired cable carrier provide contracts with that subsidy removed for those that opt out. For MLB and the NCAA, and the NBA, and the NHL too. There's lots of people who don't care for sports. Its part of the sports business model to make those that don't watch pay for your programming under penalty of not having any cable otherwise.

By they way, the era of paying everything that people ask for to major league sports owners is getting old.

Seattle's voters let the Sonics go. And one reason was that the owner was anti-Gay. Capitol Hill and other Gay areas were heavily against the new arena.

When choosing between queers and their NFL teams, NFL fans will pick their teams EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. GUARANTEED.

You don't want to go that route. Face the facts, you're a TINY fraction of a minority in this country. "Your voting..." PLEASE.

Nobody cares about you or your faux "issues". Just do us all a favor and go away. It's really tiring to have to try to explain this to you. Outside of your "community" nobody GAF despite how much they might act like it to your face. That's the cold, hard truth.

(10-22-2015 10:56 PM)Paul M Wrote:  No one's buying Tom. Most likely 'cause nothing you say is TRUE.

exactly! Then when you stop putting with his ranting, lunatic BS, and start playing his game against him, he will just put you on ignore

(10-22-2015 11:01 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(10-22-2015 04:43 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-22-2015 04:27 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  I'm sure the NFL is scared of losing that big gay football fan demographic.
pathetic

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They should be scared of our voting against their next dollar grab from the taxpayers. Gays and those that support them are usually dominant in the urban areas that the NFL demands support from.

If HERO is rejected, expect it to be brought up in Carson.

We also can control city councils. Lets see if we can get them to start mandating monetizing NFL subsidies from cable contracts and demanding that the wired cable carrier provide contracts with that subsidy removed for those that opt out. For MLB and the NCAA, and the NBA, and the NHL too. There's lots of people who don't care for sports. Its part of the sports business model to make those that don't watch pay for your programming under penalty of not having any cable otherwise.

By they way, the era of paying everything that people ask for to major league sports owners is getting old.

Seattle's voters let the Sonics go. And one reason was that the owner was anti-Gay. Capitol Hill and other Gay areas were heavily against the new arena.

When choosing between queers and their NFL teams, NFL fans will pick their teams EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. GUARANTEED.

You don't want to go that route. Face the facts, you're a TINY fraction of a minority in this country. "Your voting..." PLEASE.

Nobody cares about you or your faux "issues". Just do us all a favor and go away. It's really tiring to have to try to explain this to you. Outside of your "community" nobody GAF despite how much they might act like it to your face. That's the cold, hard truth.

The Sonics are in OKC because the owner was an anti-Gay bigot who p*ssed of the voters of Seattle so much with his bigotry and right wing politics that they told him 'no we won't build you a new arena - go to Oklahoma if you'd like'.

Lots of people care about my communities issues. Most don't put it over their own interests', but it does matter.

But since you'd like me to go away, you can go back in the ignore bin. You're obviously not intelligent enough to have a conversation with someone who is Gay and who doesn't accept permanent second class citizenship status.

(10-22-2015 10:56 PM)Paul M Wrote:  No one's buying Tom. Most likely 'cause nothing you say is TRUE.

And he already admitted that the texans are not in the bill but public accommodations are.

(10-23-2015 10:19 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(10-22-2015 10:56 PM)Paul M Wrote:  No one's buying Tom. Most likely 'cause nothing you say is TRUE.

And he already admitted that the texans are not in the bill but public accommodations are.

Bathrooms are not in the bill.

It is, and will remain, illegal in the City of Houston to enter a bathroom for the purpose of creating a disturbance.

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And the bill specifically includes a prohibition on employment discrimination by entities such as the Houston Texans.

The Texans, who have never had an openly Gay player, coach, scout, or player development person, are now supporting their ability to keep all queers out of their organization.

And the NFL doesn't have a problem with it.

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HERO gets rejected, we will blame it on the NFL. Promise.

(10-23-2015 10:29 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 10:19 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(10-22-2015 10:56 PM)Paul M Wrote:  No one's buying Tom. Most likely 'cause nothing you say is TRUE.

And he already admitted that the texans are not in the bill but public accommodations are.

Bathrooms are not in the bill.

Neither are NFL franchises... I read the bill, there is no text anywhere which mentions the Texans or the NFL..

(10-23-2015 10:39 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 10:29 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 10:19 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(10-22-2015 10:56 PM)Paul M Wrote:  No one's buying Tom. Most likely 'cause nothing you say is TRUE.

And he already admitted that the texans are not in the bill but public accommodations are.

Bathrooms are not in the bill.

Neither are NFL franchises... I read the bill, there is no text anywhere which mentions the Texans or the NFL..

It is, and will remain illegal to enter a bathroom for the purpose of causing a disturbance

If HERO is repealed, the Texans will be able to legally resume discriminating against LGBT persons in employment.

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To determine what a bill does, ask yourself, 'what does it change'.

Upholding or rejecting HERO will change nothing about a restroom. It will reauthorize employment discrimination against Gay persons.

McNair knows that. That's why he supports repealing HERO. He's an anti-Gay bigot. And he and the league will own its record of discrimination if it is repealed. And we will turn the Super Bowl 2017, to the "Super Bowl of Bigotry".

Enjoy.

(10-23-2015 10:47 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 10:39 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 10:29 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 10:19 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(10-22-2015 10:56 PM)Paul M Wrote:  No one's buying Tom. Most likely 'cause nothing you say is TRUE.

And he already admitted that the texans are not in the bill but public accommodations are.

Bathrooms are not in the bill.

Neither are NFL franchises... I read the bill, there is no text anywhere which mentions the Texans or the NFL..

If HERO is repealed, the Texans will be able to legally resume discriminating against LGBT persons in employment.

Sorry tom I've read it... It does not mention the texans.

(10-23-2015 10:59 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 10:47 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 10:39 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 10:29 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 10:19 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  And he already admitted that the texans are not in the bill but public accommodations are.

Bathrooms are not in the bill.

Neither are NFL franchises... I read the bill, there is no text anywhere which mentions the Texans or the NFL..

If HERO is repealed, the Texans will be able to legally resume discriminating against LGBT persons in employment.

Sorry tom I've read it... It does not mention the texans.

Meh, you can speak that 'argument' into the ether.

We're going with "The NFL financially supported this bill so they can continue to keep queers out of player/coaching positions in the league, as they have done throughout the history of the league". Enjoy.

(10-23-2015 11:02 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 10:59 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 10:47 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 10:39 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 10:29 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Bathrooms are not in the bill.

Neither are NFL franchises... I read the bill, there is no text anywhere which mentions the Texans or the NFL..

If HERO is repealed, the Texans will be able to legally resume discriminating against LGBT persons in employment.

Sorry tom I've read it... It does not mention the texans.

Meh, you can speak that 'argument' into the ether.

We're going with "The NFL financially supported this bill....

Just checked again... Nope. NFL not mentioned anywhere in the Bill

Texans owner rescinds donation. I don't know how he does that... does he get his money back?

Doesn't tell people to vote Yes on 1 though. This looks like PR BS from McNair.

He did, however, call the No on 1 folks out for being liars and misrepresenting things. That is unquestionably true.

http://www.outsports.com/2015/10/23/9604...ro-houston

PR move on his part. Until he supports specific legislation that says that includes Gays in non-discrimination laws at the same level as Christians, he's going to be open to charges that he's a bigot. He's a billionaire and has a lobbyist. He can whip up a bill in short order.

But smart move on his part.

Tom's logic, is if you are not with us, then you are against us lmao

(10-23-2015 02:43 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Tom's logic, is if you are not with us, then you are against us lmao

It goes further. If you are not loud and vocally for us you are against us. Remember players who 'came out' after their playing days don't count as Goy in his book. They are mere homosexuals

(10-24-2015 08:43 AM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 02:43 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Tom's logic, is if you are not with us, then you are against us lmao

It goes further. If you are not loud and vocally for us you are against us. Remember players who 'came out' after their playing days don't count as Goy in his book. They are mere homosexuals

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