You simply cannot follow up the game we played against LSU in a loss with two terrible losses like the last two losses if you are trying to prove you are up to the job.

It seems the last two weeks of coaching are the more the norm than the week against LSU.

Tough road now for Syracuse at 3-3 rather than at least 4-2. I expect the Orange will be solid underdogs in their next five games and possibly they'll be favored over BC to end the year. They could pull an upset vs Pitt, UofL, or NC St, but they just as easily could come into Sr night with an 8 game losing streak.

How do you know that the LSU game wasn't a situation where they came out flat against the Cuse?

So that makes 5 ACC schools that need to find new coaches? VT, UM, GT, SU, UVA...

(10-17-2015 07:21 PM)WNCOrange Wrote:  You simply cannot follow up the game we played against LSU in a loss with two terrible losses like the last two losses if you are trying to prove you are up to the job.

It seems the last two weeks of coaching are the more the norm than the week against LSU.

I have to agree. Time for a change.

Atlantic Coast Confidential is putting together a list of potential hires already.

http://atlanticcoastconfidential.com/201...-hot-seat/

(10-17-2015 07:56 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  Tough road now for Syracuse at 3-3 rather than at least 4-2. I expect the Orange will be solid underdogs in their next five games and possibly they'll be favored over BC to end the year. They could pull an upset vs Pitt, UofL, or NC St, but they just as easily could come into Sr night with an 8 game losing streak.

Since Cuse was an underdog to UVA, it's safe to assume they'd be an underdog to any other ACC team.

(10-17-2015 07:56 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  Tough road now for Syracuse at 3-3 rather than at least 4-2. I expect the Orange will be solid underdogs in their next five games and possibly they'll be favored over BC to end the year. They could pull an upset vs Pitt, UofL, or NC St, but they just as easily could come into Sr night with an 8 game losing streak.

If they upset NC State in Raleigh, NC State will need a new coach as the fans will be in revolt.

(10-17-2015 07:21 PM)WNCOrange Wrote:  You simply cannot follow up the game we played against LSU in a loss with two terrible losses like the last two losses if you are trying to prove you are up to the job.

It seems the last two weeks of coaching are the more the norm than the week against LSU.

Who is to say that these results reflect differences in coaching rather than differences in playing (both by Syracuse and by its opponents)? I can't imagine that Shafer is a poorer coach today than he was three weeks ago.

Never really understood the love affair that many Syracuse fans have had with him.

He can't coach

He can't recruit

About the only thing I have seen him accomplish is making himself out to be an idiot whenever he gets in front of a microphone.

How about Tom O'Brien? He was successful at BC. If he can win there, he could win at the Cuse.

He retired.

(10-18-2015 10:19 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Atlantic Coast Confidential is putting together a list of potential hires already.

http://atlanticcoastconfidential.com/201...-hot-seat/

Off that list Doug Marrone wuld be my first phone call. He's a jerk, but he ran a clean program. And he wouldn't publicly say anything or do anything that would cause overly sensitive opposing fans to criticize him. On second thought, overly sensitive fans will find the smallest perceived slight to whine about, no matter what.


•Doug Marrone – “St. Doug” is credited with turning the SU football program around following the GRob debacle, with credit due to Shafer for his defense and recruiting. Now that Dougie has made his multi-millions in the NFL, would the SU alum return to his “dream job” to right the ship? Although most fans would resent him for departing the way he did, but I would be very excited to see Marrone back on the sidelines – especially with the influx of talent the program has had over the past few years. Look at what Marrone and Hackett were able to accomplish with Ryan Nassib; now imagine the possibilities with a more athletic version of Nassib and more weapons on offense.
•Greg Schiano – As everyone around me knows: I hate Rutgers, and Greg Schiano is a primary reason for that. The guy just looks like a shady coach and everyone outside of East Rutherford knows that Rutgers built-up their program feasting on lesser opponents and taking advantage of a weakened Big East. Having said that, the guy can recruit, and he can win.
•Bill Cubit – Scott Shafer has never shied-away from his coaching tree roots, and many of the current staffers share past coaching gigs with Shafer at schools like Northern Illinois and Western Michigan under Bill Cubit, so it is somewhat surprising that Cubit has not been part of the offensive coaching staff at SU under Shafer. Although Cubit has done very well this year with their interim coach, could the Illini want to get a “big name” in coaching and jettison Cubit? Another useless trivia factoid courtesy of Wikipedia: Bill Cubit’s brother, Mark, played basketball at SU under Jim Boeheim.
•Dino Babers – The typical route for getting coaches in the ACC is to pilfer head coaches from a non-P5 conference like the MAC. This has worked for NC St. and I think will eventually work for Wake the Forest. Syracuse would be remiss if they didn’t go after a talented, up-and-coming head coach like Babers who was 19-7 in two years at Eastern Illinois (14-1 in conference) and is currently 32-15 at Bowling Green. Ironically, Babers replaced Dave Clawson after the latter left to take the Head Coaching gig at WtF.
•Matt Campbell – Staying in the “hire from the MAC” vein, Toledo’s head coach, and winner of the Nick Foles look-alike contest, Matt Campbell, has been impressive in his four years at Toledo compiling a 32-13 record with 2 bowl wins. Unfortunately for Cuse fans, Campbell was the offensive coordinator in 2011 when Syracuse mysteriously made a missed PAT, so hopefully his grudge against the Orange has passed.
•Everett Withers – Nabbing an FCS coach may not go over well in the Syracuse blogosphere, where snarky comments are Syracuse’s chief export, but WIthers has had a great run at James Madison over the past 2 years (23-10) and was a finalist for the FCS Coach of Year. Further, he is no stranger to the ACC. Following the departure of Butch Davis at UNC, Withers was promoted to the Head Coaching position and filled-in during a difficult time for the Tar Heels. Of course, giving Syracuse’s recent difficulties with the NCAA, hiring a HC that was once part of a highly investigated program (and refused to help the investigation at UNC) is likely the last thing that the new AD wants to do.

I would be on the phone with Tom Herman and Justin Fuente like Yesterday and try to beat other schools to the draw that will be calling Them very soon.

Shafer has always been in over his head. From what I understand, his hiring was largely dictated by the inconvenient timing of Marrone's departure. He's not a coach that any other ACC team, including Wake Forest, nor many G5 teams, would have even given a sniff.

Now, you can always hope it works out...could have said the same thing for Dabo when he got the Clemson job.

But it's not working out, and the bottom line is that you'd have to go extremely far down the list of FBS schools to find someone who would have thought Shafer was a good candidate to lead their program. He's just not ACC caliber, and that's saying something.

(10-19-2015 05:34 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  I would be on the phone with Tom Herman and Justin Fuente like Yesterday and try to beat other schools to the draw that will be calling Them very soon.

And both coaches would say, "Let me get back to you" while waiting for offers from bigger gigs.

Toledo's Matt Campbell or Temple's Matt Rhule are guys Cuse should be looking at, imo.

Crazy to me a school like Toledo can send 3 of their last 4 coaches to P5 gigs (Saban, Pinkel, Beckman @ Illinois) and quite possibly Campbell, or Houston who has had Briles, Sumlin, and now Herman. Yet most ACC schools can't find a quality coach. So pathetic.

(10-18-2015 03:01 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  How about Tom O'Brien? He was successful at BC. If he can win there, he could win at the Cuse.

He's 67 and didn't do diddly at NC State.

(10-19-2015 12:00 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 05:34 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  I would be on the phone with Tom Herman and Justin Fuente like Yesterday and try to beat other schools to the draw that will be calling Them very soon.

And both coaches would say, "Let me get back to you" while waiting for offers from bigger gigs.

Toledo's Matt Campbell or Temple's Matt Rhule are guys Cuse should be looking at, imo.

Crazy to me a school like Toledo can send 3 of their last 4 coaches to P5 gigs (Saban, Pinkel, Beckman @ Illinois) and quite possibly Campbell, or Houston who has had Briles, Sumlin, and now Herman. Yet most ACC schools can't find a quality coach. So pathetic.

I believe that Syracuse can actually reel in the current Boise State HC. Let me explain why before you accuse me of being on crack. Syracuse just hired the Boise Athletic Director, Dr Thomas Coyle. He's now in charge of a pretty sizeable athletic Dept. He has hired several former Boise State folks at key positions at Syracuse, including the former director of compliance at Boise, hired just today. Its obvious that the new SU AD is very respected by his former Boise employees. The current Boise coach, Bryan Harsin is in his second year at Boise taking over for Chris Peterson, and hasn't missed a beat at this point. He was the Boise assit coach for like 5 years and also the HC at Arkansas St. He has moved around a bit, but even if he spends 3 years at SU and make the program respectable, it would be far easier to find a good replacement for him. Something tells me that he will be the next SU HC.

(10-19-2015 12:00 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 05:34 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  I would be on the phone with Tom Herman and Justin Fuente like Yesterday and try to beat other schools to the draw that will be calling Them very soon.

And both coaches would say, "Let me get back to you" while waiting for offers from bigger gigs.

Toledo's Matt Campbell or Temple's Matt Rhule are guys Cuse should be looking at, imo.

Crazy to me a school like Toledo can send 3 of their last 4 coaches to P5 gigs (Saban, Pinkel, Beckman @ Illinois) and quite possibly Campbell, or Houston who has had Briles, Sumlin, and now Herman. Yet most ACC schools can't find a quality coach. So pathetic.

You raise a good point, however sometimes it takes time. Pinkel went 37-35 in his first 6 years at Missouri once he left Toledo. Saban went 34-24-1 in 5 years and never won a bowl game at Michigan State after Toledo. Beckman went 12-25 in his 3 years at Illinois after Toledo. Finding a good coach is a risk. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. No one knew Jimbo was going to be a good coach. You're lucky that he turned out to be one. Not everyone is that lucky.

(10-19-2015 12:00 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(10-18-2015 03:01 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  How about Tom O'Brien? He was successful at BC. If he can win there, he could win at the Cuse.

He's 67 and didn't do diddly at NC State.

He had two future NFL qb's at State and didn't do anything. His last three years his recruiting was horrible and he left us with the lowest talent at NC State compared to the rest of the league since the early 1980's.

At BC he was able to recruit ND's leftovers. There were not enough two star, Irish/Catholic/Military boys in the southeast for him to have a complete team. You don't need an old, military style, coach.