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(11-03-2015 08:08 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Notre dame being 5th is a joke. And memphis didn't get screwed at all. They set them up to be able to actually make a 4 team playoff if those top guys lose 1 and they go undefeated.

Notre Dame has played the 24th-ranked SOS and has lost one game. Alabama has played the 46th-ranked SOS and has lost one game. How is ND being 5th a joke, but Alabama being 4th not?

These things drive me absolutely crazy. Iowa is undefeated against a harder SOS (44th) than Alabama. Ranked 9th. By the way, that's behind Baylor who has played the 206th-ranked SOS. 206! That's not a typo! Also behind TCU who has played the 152nd-ranked SOS. I mean FCS Harvard is also undefeated and they've played virtually the same schedule as Baylor with the 209th-ranked SOS, so why aren't they in the top-10 for the CFP? One loss, FCS Illinois State has played a tougher schedule than one-loss Florida State, where are they? Seriously, though, what's the real difference between undefeated TCU at the 152nd-ranked SOS and undefeated Oklahoma State at the 155th-ranked SOS? Or undefeated Memphis at the 160th-ranked SOS?

Or, why is Alabama 4th with one loss and the 46th-ranked SOS, but Florida 10th with one loss and the 38th-ranked SOS? Hell, Utah is all the way down in 12th place with their one loss and a 48th-ranked SOS. That makes a TON of sense.

Northwestern is ranked next-to-last among the two loss teams, but they've played the 12th-ranked SOS. Michigan (27th-ranked SOS), Ole Miss (28th-ranked SOS), Texas A&M (29th-ranked SOS), and Mississippi State (43rd-ranked SOS) are all ranked ahead of them.

More importantly, how is Baylor's 206th-ranked SOS trumping Michigan State's 59th-ranked SOS?

I don't have the time nor the energy to crunch the numbers for the bias toward power teams, but it really gets under my skin how ridiculous it is and how much people deny it exists.
11-04-2015 10:08 AM
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Good point about UF vs Alabama. Clearly, UF should be in second place in the SEC... NOT bama.
11-04-2015 10:13 AM
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For people who want more than a four team playoff, they should be hoping Notre Dame sneaks into the final 4. That would result in a minimum of two power conferences being left out. Two conferences being left out starts the discussion to expand it to 8 a lot quicker than they would have.

And if one conference gets 2 teams in + Notre Dame; leaving 3 power conferences out. Forget about it, they might make it an 8 team playoff next year.
11-04-2015 10:28 AM
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(11-04-2015 10:28 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  For people who want more than a four team playoff, they should be hoping Notre Dame sneaks into the final 4. That would result in a minimum of two power conferences being left out. Two conferences being left out starts the discussion to expand it to 8 a lot quicker than they would have.

And if one conference gets 2 teams in + Notre Dame; leaving 3 power conferences out. Forget about it, they might make it an 8 team playoff next year.

What I don't understand is why they don't go to the conference champions plus 2 at-large. It would extend the season by one week.

Right now, to win the National Championship, you play a 12 game season, a conference championship game, a semi-final, and the title game (15 total games).

If you went to the 10 conference champions plus 2 at-large bids you would need to eliminate one out-of-conference game. This would then be 11 regular season games, a conference championship game, opening round, quarter-final, semi-final, and title game (top-4 seeds get a bye to the quarter-finals). 16 games max (15 if you have a bye).

Literally, everybody gets a shot and if those power conferences have two teams worthy of getting in, they'll get one of the two at-large bids. Right now, they just want to tell you that you can't possibly have one of the best teams in the country and to prove it, we won't let you prove it.

They say to go play the tough games, etc., but (a) those games aren't equal because they're always AWAY games, (b) as shown above, SOS doesn't mean much to the CFP committee, and © those games don't necessarily demonstrate great match-ups when a middle of the road MAC team is going against a top-tier BigTen team on the road more often than not, the record isn't going to be pretty. This would allow it to be settled on the field with appropriate matchups. In FCS it's always said that the CAA is like the SEC (they're better than everyone and they get the boost in the polls because of it). Well, come playoff time, the CAA has to prove it. They may make deep runs, but they don't take home the trophy all the time because they don't get autobids directly into the championship game (or even put both teams from the same conference in the championship game like the BCS did one year).

One of the biggest fallacies in college football is that Conference A has a few weak teams at the bottom, so the top team in that conference can't possibly be one of the best. The teams at the bottom in Conference B are slightly stronger than Conference A's, so the top team in that conference must be the best. The two are not related. You can be the best team in the country in a down conference. It drives me crazy. The system above allows you an opportunity to play and prove it.
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The 3rd place team in the SEC west is the 4th ranked team in the nation. Looks like a great system to determine your national champion.
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(11-04-2015 09:46 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Its unreal. This biased system. SEC teams just swap positions when they play each other and beat each other. They are assumed to have the best SOS because they are in the SEC, which is a double whammy. Big 12 continues to get screwed because of not having a title game.

G5 teams get no respect, however, Memphis at 13 with 2 too 25 games left, have a chance if others lose. And even if they don't, if they go undefeated, and end up 7th or 8th, thatll stir the 8 team expansion pot. I cant wait to see what happens when 6 teams end undefeated lol

I'll tell you because I've seen that movie before.....
Bamer beats LSU by a point and they both win out and play Fla and ND in the first round and get the rematch in the MNCG. Simple as that. ****

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11-04-2015 11:40 AM
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(11-04-2015 11:40 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(11-04-2015 09:46 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Its unreal. This biased system. SEC teams just swap positions when they play each other and beat each other. They are assumed to have the best SOS because they are in the SEC, which is a double whammy. Big 12 continues to get screwed because of not having a title game.

G5 teams get no respect, however, Memphis at 13 with 2 too 25 games left, have a chance if others lose. And even if they don't, if they go undefeated, and end up 7th or 8th, thatll stir the 8 team expansion pot. I cant wait to see what happens when 6 teams end undefeated lol

I'll tell you because I've seen that movie before.....
Bamer beats LSU by a point and they both win out and play Fla and ND in the first round and get the rematch in the MNCG. Simple as that. ****

03-puke03-puke03-puke

If only the SEC and an Independent made the "Playoff" then it would be 8 teams by next season :)
11-04-2015 11:41 AM
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(11-04-2015 10:47 AM)TribeNiner Wrote:  
(11-04-2015 10:28 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  For people who want more than a four team playoff, they should be hoping Notre Dame sneaks into the final 4. That would result in a minimum of two power conferences being left out. Two conferences being left out starts the discussion to expand it to 8 a lot quicker than they would have.

And if one conference gets 2 teams in + Notre Dame; leaving 3 power conferences out. Forget about it, they might make it an 8 team playoff next year.

What I don't understand is why they don't go to the conference champions plus 2 at-large. It would extend the season by one week.

Right now, to win the National Championship, you play a 12 game season, a conference championship game, a semi-final, and the title game (15 total games).

If you went to the 10 conference champions plus 2 at-large bids you would need to eliminate one out-of-conference game. This would then be 11 regular season games, a conference championship game, opening round, quarter-final, semi-final, and title game (top-4 seeds get a bye to the quarter-finals). 16 games max (15 if you have a bye).

Literally, everybody gets a shot and if those power conferences have two teams worthy of getting in, they'll get one of the two at-large bids. Right now, they just want to tell you that you can't possibly have one of the best teams in the country and to prove it, we won't let you prove it.

They say to go play the tough games, etc., but (a) those games aren't equal because they're always AWAY games, (b) as shown above, SOS doesn't mean much to the CFP committee, and © those games don't necessarily demonstrate great match-ups when a middle of the road MAC team is going against a top-tier BigTen team on the road more often than not, the record isn't going to be pretty. This would allow it to be settled on the field with appropriate matchups. In FCS it's always said that the CAA is like the SEC (they're better than everyone and they get the boost in the polls because of it). Well, come playoff time, the CAA has to prove it. They may make deep runs, but they don't take home the trophy all the time because they don't get autobids directly into the championship game (or even put both teams from the same conference in the championship game like the BCS did one year).

One of the biggest fallacies in college football is that Conference A has a few weak teams at the bottom, so the top team in that conference can't possibly be one of the best. The teams at the bottom in Conference B are slightly stronger than Conference A's, so the top team in that conference must be the best. The two are not related. You can be the best team in the country in a down conference. It drives me crazy. The system above allows you an opportunity to play and prove it.

There is only one reason you can't prove it......MONEY!
They are not going to let you have any. Simple as that.
11-04-2015 11:44 AM
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(11-04-2015 06:07 AM)Franko Wrote:  
(11-04-2015 02:55 AM)keebler645 Wrote:  I don't agree with it, but if you're going to put Alabama and Notre Dame ahead of that many undefeateds because of SOS, fine. But you have to be consistent. And Ohio State at #3 isn't consistent. They haven't played anybody in the top 25 and only one game against any of the 38 teams receiving AP votes (#31 Penn State). Not to mention they've struggled heavily against some really average teams.

And how is Alabama that far ahead of Florida? Florida eviscerated Ole Miss at home while Bama lost at home to the Rebels. Florida's loss was a close road loss to #2 LSU. Both survived Tennessee at home and both massacred Georgia. Bama's wins over meh Wisconsin and A&M can't account for that much of a difference.
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I agree, you can't tell me that Alabama's reputation doesn't help keep them higher than they should be. Baylor's schedule is close to Ohio State's and they have been crushing teams, why not Baylor up there?

The SOS I've seen for Baylor is around 109. The SOS I've seen for UH is around 120. A difference but basically the same group.

Baylor leads the undefeated in margin of victory at about 27 PPG. UH is 2nd at about 21 PPG.

So why is Baylor top 10 and UH #25? Not saying UH should be top 10, but what's the justification for the difference in SOS and margin of victory?

They pick the teams they want and pick and choose the data to attempt to justify it
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