I am fine with vetting Syrian Christians relocation here, same with Christians in Africa whose towns are destroyed by Muslim terrorists.

(11-16-2015 11:26 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  What happened in Paris is the direct result of allowing immigrants to come to your country with NO plans to assimilate whatsoever, and allowing them to set up enclaves where French jurisdiction is limited to not-allowed.

Kudos to American governors for not allowing the same thing to happen here!

"Plans to assimilate"?? Their ******* neighborhoods are getting shelled, people are dying in the streets. And their "assimilation plan" isn't well thought out enough for you? Where's your human empathy?

(11-16-2015 12:08 PM)Max Power Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 11:26 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  What happened in Paris is the direct result of allowing immigrants to come to your country with NO plans to assimilate whatsoever, and allowing them to set up enclaves where French jurisdiction is limited to not-allowed.

Kudos to American governors for not allowing the same thing to happen here!

"Plans to assimilate"?? Their ******* neighborhoods are getting shelled, people are dying in the streets. And their "assimilation plan" isn't well thought out enough for you? Where's your human empathy?

Their neighborhoods are getting shelled so they move to another country and blow themselves up. Beautiful.

(11-16-2015 11:28 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 11:24 AM)Max Power Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 11:06 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  "Thankfully, most of Europe (Poland being the exception) is enlightened enough to resist such calls thus far"

France closed their borders you poor goober.

Wrong. It's not entirely closed, and many roads don't even have checkpoints. They'll probably step up regulation but it's not going to be altogether "closed."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worl...s-borders/

So you're just against borders being "entirely closed," not just "closed."

Sigh.

Semantics. It's not closed. Read the WaPo article.

(11-16-2015 11:32 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Not to mention calling a Southern State Governor a Redneck as well as millions of people in Alabama. Bigot ! Thought Liberals were supposed to be so Wonderful, peaceful and all inclusive people. You shot that theory all to Hell !

I'm a very tolerant person! But what I don't tolerate is intolerance and hate speech. I won't tolerate the KKK, I won't tolerate misogyny, I won't tolerate immigrant scapegoating and Islamophobia. This ugly hate is a cancer on our society and needs to be called out as such.

(11-16-2015 12:13 PM)Max Power Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 11:32 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Not to mention calling a Southern State Governor a Redneck as well as millions of people in Alabama. Bigot ! Thought Liberals were supposed to be so Wonderful, peaceful and all inclusive people. You shot that theory all to Hell !

I'm a very tolerant person! But what I don't tolerate is intolerance and hate speech. I won't tolerate the KKK, I won't tolerate misogyny, I won't tolerate immigrant scapegoating and Islamophobia. This ugly hate is a cancer on our society and needs to be called out as such.

Funny, this was the exact same collective mindset of France......before these attacks. Then a reality check occurred.

(11-16-2015 11:41 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 11:32 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

Quote:Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

How soon we forget.

You fine with running the country and making decisions based on some other national and historic inscriptions? Got a lot of em Biblically based all around.

There's a difference between the spirit of that poem and the fundamentalism the right wants to shove down our throats.

(11-16-2015 11:42 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 11:09 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 11:04 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 11:01 AM)Max Power Wrote:  I'm sure they weren't all hoping to go to ALABAMA anyway, but it's the principle of the matter.

Governor Bentley says Alabama won't take in Syrian refugees

These dumb Republicans are playing into ISIS's hands, and really both groups are just the flip side of the same right wing coin. ISIS's attack on Paris was absolutely MEANT to provoke a right wing backlash against the Syrian refugee population, to make these hundreds of thousands of people feel unwelcome and alienated from their host countries, so they're more susceptible to radicalization through ISIS propaganda. Thankfully, most of Europe (Poland being the exception) is enlightened enough to resist such calls thus far, but there are still millions who can't see past the end of their nose and/or are more than willing to exploit a tragedy for political gain. Just disgusting.

Good for him! I hope Gov. McCrory does the same in North Carolina!

Let's just send them all to Illinois.

Illinois has a republican governor now (Thanks Obama!) so they probably wont go there, either. Michigan has also said they arent going there.

Not many Democrat governors left.

Less Dems in the House, Senate and Governor seats than we have seen in MANY decades. They have also lost a record amount of state houses.

Nice work, Barry.

What he's not telling you is Dems in Illinois have veto proof control of both chambers of the legislature.

I hope that your state houses will be of comfort after the Dems extend their White House winning streak next year.

(11-16-2015 12:05 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  I am fine with vetting Syrian Christians relocation here, same with Christians in Africa whose towns are destroyed by Muslim terrorists.

But what if some of them are bakers who refuse to bake wedding cakes for gay couples?

We CANNOT harbor such shitlords in this country. They are the real threat to national security.

(11-16-2015 11:47 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 11:32 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

Quote:Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

How soon we forget.

It's not so simple as that though. The people coming into the country need to have an avenue to assimilate. Even when we had waves of Europeans coming into the country, a lot of them weren't the "right kind" of people who were coming from the "right countries". In particular, the Irish, Italians and Eastern Europeans (Czech, Slovak, Poles, Hungarians, Slavic, etc) were not assimilated for at least a couple of generations. It's no accident that organized crime in this country were made up primarily of Italians, Irish and Jews - because these were the same people who were shunned and vilified by the "natives" who has the WASP cultural background.

Having said all of that, there is a significant difference between the people I mentioned above and the refugees - and hispanics jumping the U.S. Mexican border. That is the desire to assimilate into our culture. When you have groups who want to cluster together AND want to have their locales ruled by Shariah Law...no thanks. If you do not want to become an American, then your kind is not welcome on U.S. soil in my book. If you want to a part of our country, to live free and to allow others the same opportunities as long as everyone understands that the rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness is sacrosanct then welcome.

Your first paragraph is absolutely right.

Your second paragraph gets off the rails. If these people come, they will assimilate, even though it might take generations. There are Muslims in the US armed forces right now defending your freedom. There are tens of thousands of Muslims in suburban Detroit who aren't committing suicide bombings. Our Constitution is in no danger in any way shape or form of being overrun by Sharia law, and such notions are ridiculous on their face by anyone who has any legal training.

(11-16-2015 12:08 PM)Max Power Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 11:26 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  What happened in Paris is the direct result of allowing immigrants to come to your country with NO plans to assimilate whatsoever, and allowing them to set up enclaves where French jurisdiction is limited to not-allowed.

Kudos to American governors for not allowing the same thing to happen here!

"Plans to assimilate"?? Their ******* neighborhoods are getting shelled, people are dying in the streets. And their "assimilation plan" isn't well thought out enough for you? Where's your human empathy?

Why should it be the host nations responsibility to "assimilate" anyone?

(11-16-2015 12:13 PM)Max Power Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 11:32 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Not to mention calling a Southern State Governor a Redneck as well as millions of people in Alabama. Bigot ! Thought Liberals were supposed to be so Wonderful, peaceful and all inclusive people. You shot that theory all to Hell !

I'm a very tolerant person! But what I don't tolerate is intolerance and hate speech. I won't tolerate the KKK, I won't tolerate misogyny, I won't tolerate immigrant scapegoating and Islamophobia. This ugly hate is a cancer on our society and needs to be called out as such.

I couldn't help but notice, one thing not in your "not tolerate" list is mass murder.

There needs to be a halt immediately. I feel terrible for the innocent people, I really do, I donated money to help them in the beginning. But how on earth could you invite them here knowing that it is very likely that they are planted. It's not worth it. Radical Islam is a plague. If we don't end it now our sons will be fighting another holy war in a decade. Progressives really need to take off their "white gilt goggles" and see things for how they are.

This is my first post in the spin room and probably my last. I really don't enjoy debating politics via the internet. I got bent out of shape over this event as I watched after putting my 3 year old to bed wondering if he'd be fighting these lunatics in 15 years and felt the need to vent a bit. Carry on.

(11-16-2015 12:02 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 12:00 PM)PlainTiger Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 11:47 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 11:32 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

Quote:Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

How soon we forget.

It's not so simple as that though. The people coming into the country need to have an avenue to assimilate. Even when we had waves of Europeans coming into the country, a lot of them weren't the "right kind" of people who were coming from the "right countries". In particular, the Irish, Italians and Eastern Europeans (Czech, Slovak, Poles, Hungarians, Slavic, etc) were not assimilated for at least a couple of generations. It's no accident that organized crime in this country were made up primarily of Italians, Irish and Jews - because these were the same people who were shunned and vilified by the "natives" who has the WASP cultural background.

Having said all of that, there is a significant difference between the people I mentioned above and the refugees - and hispanics jumping the U.S. Mexican border. That is the desire to assimilate into our culture. When you have groups who want to cluster together AND want to have their locales ruled by Shariah Law...no thanks. If you do not want to become an American, then your kind is not welcome on U.S. soil in my book. If you want to a part of our country, to live free and to allow others the same opportunities as long as everyone understands that the rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness is sacrosanct then welcome.

What if someone says they are here to live free and be a part of the USA, but really they are here to destroy our way of life? This is how they operate. How do you handle that?

Just blame someone else Bush once the bombs explode.

(11-16-2015 11:47 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 11:43 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  How funny that we forget fundamental American principles and ideologies in time to shut out doors to those in need. You guys are great Christians. Really stand up. Thumbs up.

Oh, so people who recognize Islam as a threat after a brutal coordinated attack was conducted in Paris, with these "refugees" participating, are now bad Christians.

Such cherry picking.

Such cognitive dissonance. HOLY ****. You're cherry picking three or four suicide bombers and suggesting they are representative of a religion of a billion people. That's not cherry picking actually, more like needle in a haystack picking.

Quote:Especially considering that American Christians are....far and away....the world's most generous and charitable people to all causes. Including feeding, clothing, and sheltering the poor.

Also the richest, so they have the means to do so that others don't. Some Christian denominations give comparatively very little to help the poor though. The Mormon church is worth billions but spends only like $2 million annually on helping the poor. Instead they publish millions of their weird bibles and massive country club style temples.

Quote:How idealistically and ideologically brainwashed one must be to consider the recent events and still be like "we need to let everyone into our country regardless of all circumstances because poor people."

I don't think Jesus could have said it any better.

(11-16-2015 12:08 PM)Max Power Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 11:26 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  What happened in Paris is the direct result of allowing immigrants to come to your country with NO plans to assimilate whatsoever, and allowing them to set up enclaves where French jurisdiction is limited to not-allowed.

Kudos to American governors for not allowing the same thing to happen here!

"Plans to assimilate"?? Their ******* neighborhoods are getting shelled, people are dying in the streets. And their "assimilation plan" isn't well thought out enough for you? Where's your human empathy?

In the toilet, along with the other **** I just pooped out.

(11-16-2015 12:25 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 12:02 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 12:00 PM)PlainTiger Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 11:47 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 11:32 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  How soon we forget.

It's not so simple as that though. The people coming into the country need to have an avenue to assimilate. Even when we had waves of Europeans coming into the country, a lot of them weren't the "right kind" of people who were coming from the "right countries". In particular, the Irish, Italians and Eastern Europeans (Czech, Slovak, Poles, Hungarians, Slavic, etc) were not assimilated for at least a couple of generations. It's no accident that organized crime in this country were made up primarily of Italians, Irish and Jews - because these were the same people who were shunned and vilified by the "natives" who has the WASP cultural background.

Having said all of that, there is a significant difference between the people I mentioned above and the refugees - and hispanics jumping the U.S. Mexican border. That is the desire to assimilate into our culture. When you have groups who want to cluster together AND want to have their locales ruled by Shariah Law...no thanks. If you do not want to become an American, then your kind is not welcome on U.S. soil in my book. If you want to a part of our country, to live free and to allow others the same opportunities as long as everyone understands that the rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness is sacrosanct then welcome.

What if someone says they are here to live free and be a part of the USA, but really they are here to destroy our way of life? This is how they operate. How do you handle that?

Just blame someone else Bush once the bombs explode.

Well, yeah, that was a given.

(11-16-2015 12:20 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 12:05 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  I am fine with vetting Syrian Christians relocation here, same with Christians in Africa whose towns are destroyed by Muslim terrorists.

But what if some of them are bakers who refuse to bake wedding cakes for gay couples?

We CANNOT harbor such shitlords in this country. They are the real threat to national security.

Wrong ! Didn't Bernie again confirm the other night, Global Warming is the End of all Humanity. That is the Real Threat to America !

(11-16-2015 11:01 AM)Max Power Wrote:  I'm sure they weren't all hoping to go to ALABAMA anyway, but it's the principle of the matter.

Governor Bentley says Alabama won't take in Syrian refugees

These dumb Republicans are playing into ISIS's hands, and really both groups are just the flip side of the same right wing coin. ISIS's attack on Paris was absolutely MEANT to provoke a right wing backlash against the Syrian refugee population, to make these hundreds of thousands of people feel unwelcome and alienated from their host countries, so they're more susceptible to radicalization through ISIS propaganda. Thankfully, most of Europe (Poland being the exception) is enlightened enough to resist such calls thus far, but there are still millions who can't see past the end of their nose and/or are more than willing to exploit a tragedy for political gain. Just disgusting.

I call BS on your assertion that the French attack had anything to do with Syrian refugees. It is pure speculation without a shred of evidence.

(11-16-2015 11:48 AM)No Bull Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 11:11 AM)Max Power Wrote:  Good, bring em to Illinois. Unfortunately my state has a dumb Republican governor who might do the same, but maybe not because he's not the dumb redneck type. He's just a bought and paid for by the Chamber of Commerce type, who likes open borders not because he cares about people, but because he cares about corporations' bottom lines.

Redneck = dumb Southerner right? You are such a ******* hypocrite... How about I call you a stupid Yankee.

Go ahead. I really don't care.

Do you want me to feel sorry for the southern whites who have held power for centuries while oppressing the blacks and continue to hate Latinos, Muslims, and deny health insurance to poor people? Yes, those poor southern whites! They always get the short stick don't they?