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Just for wkuyg as not to annoy others
Hey buddy, couldn't help but notice in another thread you prematurely bragging that wku would win a championship in your 2nd year of CUSA, something it took Marshall 10 years to do.

First, let's compare apples to apples.

Wku moved up to FBS in 2009, so this is your 7th year of playing at this level. Let's assume you do beat USM, what will be the sum total of your accomplishments in those 7 years?

You will have an overall record of 43-44. Heck, I'll give you credit for winning a bowl game prematurely too and call it 44-44.

You will have gone to three bowl games, giving you that win you will be 2-1 in bowls.

You will have one division and one conference championship.

Giving credit for those two premature wins, you should end up ranked for the first time.

Let's now look at Marshall's first 7 years in FBS beginning with our move up in 1997.

We had an overall record of 73-17.

We went to 6 bowl games going 5-1 and we didn't play Central Michigan. We played Mississippi St, BYU (ranked), Louisville twice, Cincinnati and ECU. The loss was to Miss St 34-31. Oh, and the conference only had one bowl tie in our first 5 years.

We had 6 division championships and 5 conference championships.

We finished ranked in the Top 25 on three occasions with a high of 10th.

We had 5 double digit win seasons in our first 7 years including a perfect 13-0 season in 1999 (25-1 over a two year period and 35-4 during our first three years).

So in summary, nothing you accomplish this year will even come close to accomplishing what Marshall did in its transition to the FBS level. So there's some stats (i.e. FACTS) for you.

Oh, and the MAC during that timeframe was markedly better than the current state of CUSA. Besides our two first round QBs during that time you had guys like Roethlesberger (sp) at Miami, Charlie Frye at Akron, Charlie Batch at EMU, Josh Cribbs QBing at Kent State, Bruce Gradkowlski at Toledo. All those guys went to the NFL.

We had wins over Clemson, Big 12 champ, #6 ranked Kansas State, South Carolina, etc.
11-29-2015 01:10 AM
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All of that for me? I'm impressed. But guess what...it changes NOTHING I said. If Western wins a CUSA championship this year it took us TWO YEARS....Marshall 10 You might as well be talking the stone age...1997 that is LONGGGGGGGGGG GONE. Hell even your own fans realize that...

a bunch of them are on herdfever crying about...why why why, cant we be like Western LOL and you making a post just for me talking about the stone ages. Really? 1997? LOL I honestly scanned your post and saw 1997 and never read another word. Didn't have to. You starting this thread..just for me lets me know one thing. I own you in the context of a messageboard LOL. Hell you are beginning to follow me around about as much as the one muts fan.



But just so we get it correct I never bragged that Western will win the championship...

I said "if" such a tiny little word yet you had a hard time understanding it. I understand why a big word like "IF" can be confusing for you.
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11-29-2015 01:36 AM
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We lost to western this year because they have a great qb and we don't. That is why we lost. Now we move forward and they likely won't beat us the next 3 years because we have a great qb in the making. I don't know what they have but they probably won't make a bowl next year and we will once again be contending for the east crown and conference championship.

Let them enjoy this, it will likely be the greatest season they will ever have.
11-29-2015 06:24 AM
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Actually, Marshall put on the big boy pants from 1962 to 1981 and only had 1 winning season and 19 losing seasons and then had to move back down to the lower division for 16 years before trying on the big boy pants again in 1996. Just sayin'.
11-29-2015 07:23 AM
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What is wrong with Marshall fans?
11-29-2015 08:30 AM
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(11-29-2015 08:30 AM)blueraidermike Wrote:  What is wrong with Marshall fans?

Many of them have been fine, then there is a few that must have wiped they're butts with sandpaper . The thought that WKU just got lucky to have players accidentally come together is they're only hope , they can't except the thought that WKU has been building a program over the past 5 years.

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11-29-2015 10:47 AM
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Well, since this is over here now, let's talk about how you accomplished this incredible year and what it means for your future.

In the 2013 and 2014 recruiting classes you guys signed 17 JUCO players. So that means you now have 23 seniors, 25 juniors, but only 15 sophomores. Conversely, Marshall has 18 seniors, 20 juniors and 24 sophomores. In other words, one team is constructed for consistent success and the other was built by a coaching staff looking to increase their stock with a big season or two before dropping back. Something that won't impact them because they will be gone.

The other impact this has it retards the development of your younger players. For example, Marshall freshmen appeared a total of 149 times in our 12 games versus 115 for WKU. Your sophomore had 116 games played, ours had 165. So between the two classes, we picked up an aggregate of 314 game appearances versus 231 for WKU. That's a huge difference and doesn't take into account all the additional, meaningful practice reps those guys get versus yours.

So next year, and the year after, and the year after, when the two teams meet on the field we will have a much more experienced team. So enjoy it while you can.
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(11-29-2015 07:23 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Actually, Marshall put on the big boy pants from 1962 to 1981 and only had 1 winning season and 19 losing seasons and then had to move back down to the lower division for 16 years before trying on the big boy pants again in 1996. Just sayin'.

You do realize our entire football team, coaching staff, many major boosters, team doctors, etc. all were killed in the middle of that stretch, don't you? Just sayin'.
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(11-29-2015 01:36 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  All of that for me? I'm impressed. But guess what...it changes NOTHING I said. If Western wins a CUSA championship this year it took us TWO YEARS....Marshall 10 You might as well be talking the stone age...1997 that is LONGGGGGGGGGG GONE. Hell even your own fans realize that...

a bunch of them are on herdfever crying about...why why why, cant we be like Western LOL and you making a post just for me talking about the stone ages. Really? 1997? LOL I honestly scanned your post and saw 1997 and never read another word. Didn't have to. You starting this thread..just for me lets me know one thing. I own you in the context of a messageboard LOL. Hell you are beginning to follow me around about as much as the one muts fan.



But just so we get it correct I never bragged that Western will win the championship...

I said "if" such a tiny little word yet you had a hard time understanding it. I understand why a big word like "IF" can be confusing for you.

Translation: the well reasoned, factual and accurate thesis presented does not, in any way, support my thought process. Since it is well reasoned, factual and accurate, and I can not discredit it, I will simply act like I didn't read it.

Another great post by selective stat boy.
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(11-29-2015 03:34 PM)banker Wrote:  
(11-29-2015 07:23 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Actually, Marshall put on the big boy pants from 1962 to 1981 and only had 1 winning season and 19 losing seasons and then had to move back down to the lower division for 16 years before trying on the big boy pants again in 1996. Just sayin'.

You do realize our entire football team, coaching staff, many major boosters, team doctors, etc. all were killed in the middle of that stretch, don't you? Just sayin'.

Yes, of course I knew that. However, you had 1 winning season and 8 losing seasons up until the plane crash, winning only 8 games in the last 5 years before the crash. After the crash, ya'll actually did better the next 5 years, winning 11 games.
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Banker...calling banker, you there?

So Western has 23 Sr's ..actually 22 since Allen hasn't took a redshirt year and he only played 1.5 games this year. Well no actually only 21 since Fant was a basketball player who walked on this year. So without going into any of the others...

Western has 21 Sr's and Marshall has.....18 boy that's a huge difference, right? If you look closely at both rosters...Western is building dept with a lot more redshirt players than Marshall. And from reading herdfever I take it 25 to 30% of Marshall's prop players never make it to a active roster. So ...

you worry about the future too much when all you need to really worry about is....

how is marshall going to get out of that little brother role to Western you are in. Roster change, walk ons, transfers, juco..it all works out. But by the next time little brother gets a chance to beat big brother it will be....

OVER 10 YEARS since Marshall last had a win over Big Brother.

Calling banker..you there banker....10 years!, got it, 10 freaking years. Where did I heard that number from, 10 years sounds..

OH that's right it took Marshall 10 years to win their one and only CUSA championship.

As a program...not just football but SPORTS PROGRAM..Western won 2x more CUSA championships in 1/2 of one year (our first) than Marshall has in 11 full seasons.
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(11-29-2015 03:28 PM)banker Wrote:  Well, since this is over here now, let's talk about how you accomplished this incredible year and what it means for your future.

In the 2013 and 2014 recruiting classes you guys signed 17 JUCO players. So that means you now have 23 seniors, 25 juniors, but only 15 sophomores. Conversely, Marshall has 18 seniors, 20 juniors and 24 sophomores. In other words, one team is constructed for consistent success and the other was built by a coaching staff looking to increase their stock with a big season or two before dropping back. Something that won't impact them because they will be gone.

The other impact this has it retards the development of your younger players. For example, Marshall freshmen appeared a total of 149 times in our 12 games versus 115 for WKU. Your sophomore had 116 games played, ours had 165. So between the two classes, we picked up an aggregate of 314 game appearances versus 231 for WKU. That's a huge difference and doesn't take into account all the additional, meaningful practice reps those guys get versus yours.

So next year, and the year after, and the year after, when the two teams meet on the field we will have a much more experienced team. So enjoy it while you can.

Damn... flawless logic. That 60-6 raping we gave you at your own house, worst home loss for Marshall since the 70's, must have just been a fluke. I'm sure 2017 is your year, you know cause you've got all this experience against WKU now.
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