North Texas is fixing our problems, but of course, we still have more to address. McCarney was one of the highest paid football coaches in C-USA. He laid an egg and was fired on the spot. Our new coach Seth Littrell will certainly be among the highest paid coaches in our conference. Lets not forget what North Texas is capable of... it was only 2 seasons ago that UNT sent 35,000 fans to watch the Mean Green destroy a MWC team in the HOD. And, we are still a 37,000 student university in the 6th largest media market. North Texas does have a dedicated core of fan support, and will not accept being a doormat in C-USA.

I'm glad WKU had a nice season. Enjoy your bowl.

(12-12-2015 10:50 AM)Noodles Wrote:  Seriously.
If there's ever been a time we needed to be producing, it's now.
Basketball is a horror show.
Football is very bottom-heavy.
Will baseball be any better?

I guess the question is this:
How far do you think your school can progress in each sport?
How far do you think your school WILL progress in the next 4 years?
Can C-USA seriously hope to be the best G5 conference?
What are the major hurdles in the way, for each individual school, and for the conference as a whole?

Don't worry about being politically correct.
Honest answers only.
This is not a smack post, so please don't move it off the board.

The state of Texas is all about football. North Texas will not settle for being an afterthought. Littrell is going to be paid very well compared to other C-USA coaches. He will fix this mess, or he will be gone too.

Football- Littrell has a huge mess to fix, but I believe if he is smart in his recruiting and JUCO transfers, UNT could be contending for C-USA West and bowling again within two seasons.

Basketball- Benford should have been fired two seasons ago. I have no idea why he is still around. His contract is up soon, and all indications are he will be fired at the end of the season, if he isn't removed in the middle of it. Until I know who are next basketball coach will be, I have no idea how long it will take us to gain respectability. A really good coach should be able to turn it around in his first season.

I don't believe C-USA can challenge the AAC and MWC on a regular basis for the top spot, because too many programs in our conference are open to having our coaching talent poached. Until we step up and pay the kind of money that will protect our staffs from offers from AAC and MWC programs, we will not be able to regularly out preform or recruit those conferences.

Since I don't have to be politically correct, I'll just say it:

I hate being in a conference with FIU and FAU. Nothing but a drag in just about every sport. Zero financial support. Zero fan support.

(12-12-2015 06:20 PM)ToppersInDaVille Wrote:  Since I don't have to be politically correct, I'll just say it:

I hate being in a conference with FIU and FAU. Nothing but a drag in just about every sport. Zero financial support. Zero fan support.

Don't stop with those two.

(12-12-2015 06:20 PM)ToppersInDaVille Wrote:  Since I don't have to be politically correct, I'll just say it:

I hate being in a conference with FIU and FAU. Nothing but a drag in just about every sport. Zero financial support. Zero fan support.

If Rice and UTEP were to leave for the MWC, would you be at the point where you would be ready to see C-USA and the Sun Belt restructure along regional lines?

I don't think I'm at that point, but some on this board seem frustrated with where C-USA is right now, and are looking for a solution.

Best thing we could do, at least football wise, is kick UNT, Charlotte, UTSA to the curb if UTEP and Rice leave, then backfill with Georgia Southern, Arkansas State, and App State. Before you scoff, it would raise us from a 123 average Sagarin rating to 90. It would also give us a Sagarin central mean just over 64. That would put us ahead of everyone except the AAC and they are only a few points ahead even with the great year they had. We would only have 3 teams left that were ranked over 100 this year. That's ODU, which I believe has tremendous short term upside and great fan support, and the two Florida schools, which I would keep for recruiting until they pick up their game.

Take those teams and divide it north and south:

Marshall
Wku
Middle
ODU
App
GSU

USM
La tech
Ark St
UAB
FIU
FAU

That's about as good of football conference you can put together, makes geographic sense, and has fairly balanced divisions. It also gets us down to 12 ways to split the pot.

I have nothing against the Texas teams or Charlotte, but Charlotte is just not ready to be here and getting hammered all the time is going to kill support. They need to be FCS for a while and have some success. The Texas schools, if Rice and UTEP go, are outliers.

(12-12-2015 08:53 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 06:20 PM)ToppersInDaVille Wrote:  Since I don't have to be politically correct, I'll just say it:

I hate being in a conference with FIU and FAU. Nothing but a drag in just about every sport. Zero financial support. Zero fan support.

If Rice and UTEP were to leave for the MWC, would you be at the point where you would be ready to see C-USA and the Sun Belt restructure along regional lines?

I don't think I'm at that point, but some on this board seem frustrated with where C-USA is right now, and are looking for a solution.

No.

I wouldn't sleep on UTSA.

Recruiting, recruiting, recruiting...


THE PLAYERS are the raw materials for success. Recruiting is EVERYTHING. When you recruit good players, you get better. When you get better, you win, when you win others take notice. When others take notice everything falls into place like attendance, money, TV, exposure, coaches/staff, perception (be it fan or prospect).

This applies to all sports. Winning cures all...but before you win, you have to recruit well.

Just baffled how bad CUSA is at basketball this season! What the hell has happened? Even UAB which I thought would be a juggernaut has struggled...We might finish, might the key word top 5 and we are not very good right now...Football at least has hope with showing as a conference last season...Really need out of FAU,FIU, ODU, or Charlotte to get going..

(12-12-2015 05:53 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  North Texas is fixing our problems, but of course, we still have more to address. McCarney was one of the highest paid football coaches in C-USA. He laid an egg and was fired on the spot. Our new coach Seth Littrell will certainly be among the highest paid coaches in our conference. Lets not forget what North Texas is capable of... it was only 2 seasons ago that UNT sent 35,000 fans to watch the Mean Green destroy a MWC team in the HOD. And, we are still a 37,000 student university in the 6th largest media market. North Texas does have a dedicated core of fan support, and will not accept being a doormat in C-USA.

I'm glad WKU had a nice season. Enjoy your bowl.

......here we go again. We gotta listen to the potential of UNT again.....

(12-12-2015 04:36 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 11:26 AM)MeanGreenFan123 Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 11:11 AM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  Fan support is everything, the schools that don't have it will always struggle.

No order

Marshall
UTEP
MT
La Tech
USM
WKU
ODU
UAB

These schools seem to have a solid hardcore base of fans that get it which to build off of.

Charlotte adding football is getting there

I'm not sure what you're basing this off of. If by having 16k in attendance for hosting a championship game is the qualifier, we have that too.

I'm speaking of a core base of fans, the type of fans that will be there through the muck. The schools I listed seem to have that and not just fair weather (only when we are winning fans). As for the WKU attendance smack..... We have had more people than listed all season, we under listed every game and will continue to do so until we fix our scanning system. North Texas has more problems than worrying about WKU"s attendance

I understand full well what a core base of fans means. If there's any fanbase that understands "being there through the muck," it's us. I'd like to see how strong of a "fanbase" WKU would have if having to go through a similar situation. My original point is that just because you're ignorant about some of the fanbases of western schools, doesn't mean you should make generalized statements based on you're own geographically-based perception.

(12-12-2015 12:23 PM)SigNuTopper Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 11:46 AM)EagNBran Wrote:  No offense, most of the teams we added were average or bad in the Sun Belt. Did we expect them to magically improve by joining? We loaded ourselves down with this dead weight.

WKU and MTSU have been two of the most all around best athletic programs since joining C-USA.

Yeah, it's been a great 3 years.

(12-12-2015 04:41 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Did a UNT fan really show up to talk SMACK LOL

Hell I guess it's OK to show your faces again, since football season is over. Then again it's been over for UNT, for a while.

No smack. I just don't appreciate ignorance.

(12-13-2015 01:03 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 05:53 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  North Texas is fixing our problems, but of course, we still have more to address. McCarney was one of the highest paid football coaches in C-USA. He laid an egg and was fired on the spot. Our new coach Seth Littrell will certainly be among the highest paid coaches in our conference. Lets not forget what North Texas is capable of... it was only 2 seasons ago that UNT sent 35,000 fans to watch the Mean Green destroy a MWC team in the HOD. And, we are still a 37,000 student university in the 6th largest media market. North Texas does have a dedicated core of fan support, and will not accept being a doormat in C-USA.

I'm glad WKU had a nice season. Enjoy your bowl.

......here we go again. We gotta listen to the potential of UNT again.....

Feel better?

(12-13-2015 01:15 AM)MeanGreenFan123 Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 01:03 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 05:53 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  North Texas is fixing our problems, but of course, we still have more to address. McCarney was one of the highest paid football coaches in C-USA. He laid an egg and was fired on the spot. Our new coach Seth Littrell will certainly be among the highest paid coaches in our conference. Lets not forget what North Texas is capable of... it was only 2 seasons ago that UNT sent 35,000 fans to watch the Mean Green destroy a MWC team in the HOD. And, we are still a 37,000 student university in the 6th largest media market. North Texas does have a dedicated core of fan support, and will not accept being a doormat in C-USA.

I'm glad WKU had a nice season. Enjoy your bowl.

......here we go again. We gotta listen to the potential of UNT again.....

Feel better?

Nope....

(12-12-2015 09:11 PM)Noodles Wrote:  I wouldn't sleep on UTSA.

neither would I. She might get pregnant and we may have a crap load of UTEPs running all over texas

(12-13-2015 01:11 AM)MeanGreenFan123 Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 04:36 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 11:26 AM)MeanGreenFan123 Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 11:11 AM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  Fan support is everything, the schools that don't have it will always struggle.

No order

Marshall
UTEP
MT
La Tech
USM
WKU
ODU
UAB

These schools seem to have a solid hardcore base of fans that get it which to build off of.

Charlotte adding football is getting there

I'm not sure what you're basing this off of. If by having 16k in attendance for hosting a championship game is the qualifier, we have that too.

I'm speaking of a core base of fans, the type of fans that will be there through the muck. The schools I listed seem to have that and not just fair weather (only when we are winning fans). As for the WKU attendance smack..... We have had more people than listed all season, we under listed every game and will continue to do so until we fix our scanning system. North Texas has more problems than worrying about WKU"s attendance

I understand full well what a core base of fans means. If there's any fanbase that understands "being there through the muck," it's us. I'd like to see how strong of a "fanbase" WKU would have if having to go through a similar situation. My original point is that just because you're ignorant about some of the fanbases of western schools, doesn't mean you should make generalized statements based on you're own geographically-based perception.

remember not long ago WKU was on a 26 game losing streak, the core fans including myself was in the stands for every one of those loses

(12-13-2015 01:34 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 01:11 AM)MeanGreenFan123 Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 04:36 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 11:26 AM)MeanGreenFan123 Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 11:11 AM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  Fan support is everything, the schools that don't have it will always struggle.

No order

Marshall
UTEP
MT
La Tech
USM
WKU
ODU
UAB

These schools seem to have a solid hardcore base of fans that get it which to build off of.

Charlotte adding football is getting there

I'm not sure what you're basing this off of. If by having 16k in attendance for hosting a championship game is the qualifier, we have that too.

I'm speaking of a core base of fans, the type of fans that will be there through the muck. The schools I listed seem to have that and not just fair weather (only when we are winning fans). As for the WKU attendance smack..... We have had more people than listed all season, we under listed every game and will continue to do so until we fix our scanning system. North Texas has more problems than worrying about WKU"s attendance

I understand full well what a core base of fans means. If there's any fanbase that understands "being there through the muck," it's us. I'd like to see how strong of a "fanbase" WKU would have if having to go through a similar situation. My original point is that just because you're ignorant about some of the fanbases of western schools, doesn't mean you should make generalized statements based on you're own geographically-based perception.

remember not long ago WKU was on a 26 game losing streak, the core fans including myself was in the stands for every one of those loses

Well, I'm willing to bet everyone on here would be considered a part of that group. Cheers.