Gee, shocking I know. Only a selfish, total idiot would take drugs like that with a developing fetus inside of their body.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-there-a-l...ssant-use/

But it made them feel good, so that is all that matters.

(12-15-2015 11:12 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  But it made them feel good, so that is all that matters.

Antidepressants aren't really commonly abused AFAIK, especially the most commonly prescribed ones.

(12-15-2015 11:14 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:12 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  But it made them feel good, so that is all that matters.

Antidepressants aren't really commonly abused AFAIK, especially the most commonly prescribed ones.

You might not have grasped it, but I was talking about those who did use them.

(12-15-2015 11:19 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:14 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:12 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  But it made them feel good, so that is all that matters.

Antidepressants aren't really commonly abused AFAIK, especially the most commonly prescribed ones.

You might not have grasped it, but I was talking about those who did use them.

So was I. Not sure what you thought I was saying, I was simply pointing out that 'feeling good' isn't associated with antidepressants. Most of them have pretty terrible side effects that make you feel pretty lousy.

(12-15-2015 11:22 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:19 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:14 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:12 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  But it made them feel good, so that is all that matters.

Antidepressants aren't really commonly abused AFAIK, especially the most commonly prescribed ones.

You might not have grasped it, but I was talking about those who did use them.

So was I. Not sure what you thought I was saying, I was simply pointing out that 'feeling good' isn't associated with antidepressants. Most of them have pretty terrible side effects that make you feel pretty lousy.

Your statement read like I was applying a wide generalization to anyone who believes do whatever you want as long as you feel good and damn the consequences and how they affect others.

But I am over it. I am more concerned about the children, obviously their mothers are not good caretakers.

(12-15-2015 11:11 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Gee, shocking I know. Only a selfish, total idiot would take drugs like that with a developing fetus inside of their body.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-there-a-l...ssant-use/

You've never dealt with a clinically depressed person have you?

(12-15-2015 11:32 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:11 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Gee, shocking I know. Only a selfish, total idiot would take drugs like that with a developing fetus inside of their body.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-there-a-l...ssant-use/

You've never dealt with a clinically depressed person have you?

Several actually. Though mostly males. I hope the few females I've dealt with aren't this stupid and selfish.

Common sense tells you that taking anti-depressants when pregnant is a terrible ******* idea. Common sense doesn't require a scientific study or a doctor to tell you that.

(12-15-2015 11:35 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:32 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:11 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Gee, shocking I know. Only a selfish, total idiot would take drugs like that with a developing fetus inside of their body.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-there-a-l...ssant-use/

You've never dealt with a clinically depressed person have you?

Several actually. Though mostly males. I hope the few females I've dealt with aren't this stupid and selfish.

Common sense tells you that taking anti-depressants when pregnant is a terrible ******* idea. Common sense doesn't require a scientific study or a doctor to tell you that.

Since when is complex pharmacology and embryology supposed to be common sense? If a clinically depressed woman gets pregnant, and taking her off antidepressants could lead to her falling into a deep depression and reverting to abusing drugs or suicide, then "common sense" would dictate the antidepressants are the better option.

People love to talk about medical issues as if they exist in a vacuum, and that you can just remove a single variable and nothing else would occur.

(12-15-2015 11:32 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:11 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Gee, shocking I know. Only a selfish, total idiot would take drugs like that with a developing fetus inside of their body.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-there-a-l...ssant-use/

You've never dealt with a clinically depressed person have you?

Apparently not. A woman off her meds combined with pregnancy hormones is a danger to herself and everyone else. On top of that, the doctors say it is safe and encourage the use.

(12-15-2015 11:38 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:35 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:32 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:11 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Gee, shocking I know. Only a selfish, total idiot would take drugs like that with a developing fetus inside of their body.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-there-a-l...ssant-use/

You've never dealt with a clinically depressed person have you?

Several actually. Though mostly males. I hope the few females I've dealt with aren't this stupid and selfish.

Common sense tells you that taking anti-depressants when pregnant is a terrible ******* idea. Common sense doesn't require a scientific study or a doctor to tell you that.

Since when is complex pharmacology and embryology supposed to be common sense? If a clinically depressed woman gets pregnant, and taking her off antidepressants could lead to her falling into a deep depression and reverting to abusing drugs or suicide, then "common sense" would dictate the antidepressants are the better option.

Than increased chances of giving her child autism?

I don't know why people have had their heads buried in the sand for so long about this issue. Everyone knows damn well why autism rates are skyrocketing in the United States of Overmedication.

(12-15-2015 11:58 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:38 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:35 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:32 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:11 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Gee, shocking I know. Only a selfish, total idiot would take drugs like that with a developing fetus inside of their body.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-there-a-l...ssant-use/

You've never dealt with a clinically depressed person have you?

Several actually. Though mostly males. I hope the few females I've dealt with aren't this stupid and selfish.

Common sense tells you that taking anti-depressants when pregnant is a terrible ******* idea. Common sense doesn't require a scientific study or a doctor to tell you that.

Since when is complex pharmacology and embryology supposed to be common sense? If a clinically depressed woman gets pregnant, and taking her off antidepressants could lead to her falling into a deep depression and reverting to abusing drugs or suicide, then "common sense" would dictate the antidepressants are the better option.

Than increased chances of giving her child autism?

I don't know why people have had their heads buried in the sand for so long about this issue. Everyone knows damn well why autism rates are skyrocketing in the United States of Overmedication.

You really need to stop right here before you dig yourself a bigger hole.

(12-15-2015 11:38 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:32 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:11 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Gee, shocking I know. Only a selfish, total idiot would take drugs like that with a developing fetus inside of their body.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-there-a-l...ssant-use/

You've never dealt with a clinically depressed person have you?

Apparently not. A woman off her meds combined with pregnancy hormones is a danger to herself and everyone else. On top of that, the doctors say it is safe and encourage the use.

My impression from the relative risks is that there is a far greater risk that to the child if the woman does not take her medication during pregnancy because (I'm speculating) that the likelihood of post-partum depression is relatively high and there is a good chance of potential damage to the child if that does occur.

(12-15-2015 12:00 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:58 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:38 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:35 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:32 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  You've never dealt with a clinically depressed person have you?

Several actually. Though mostly males. I hope the few females I've dealt with aren't this stupid and selfish.

Common sense tells you that taking anti-depressants when pregnant is a terrible ******* idea. Common sense doesn't require a scientific study or a doctor to tell you that.

Since when is complex pharmacology and embryology supposed to be common sense? If a clinically depressed woman gets pregnant, and taking her off antidepressants could lead to her falling into a deep depression and reverting to abusing drugs or suicide, then "common sense" would dictate the antidepressants are the better option.

Than increased chances of giving her child autism?

I don't know why people have had their heads buried in the sand for so long about this issue. Everyone knows damn well why autism rates are skyrocketing in the United States of Overmedication.

You really need to stop right here before you dig yourself a bigger hole.

Well, who needs proof when "everyone knows"?

(12-15-2015 11:35 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:32 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:11 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Gee, shocking I know. Only a selfish, total idiot would take drugs like that with a developing fetus inside of their body.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-there-a-l...ssant-use/

You've never dealt with a clinically depressed person have you?

Several actually. Though mostly males. I hope the few females I've dealt with aren't this stupid and selfish.

Common sense tells you that taking anti-depressants when pregnant is a terrible ******* idea. Common sense doesn't require a scientific study or a doctor to tell you that.

Of course it's a bad idea unless being off htme leads to something worse. Like, you know, killing yourself.

(12-15-2015 12:02 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:38 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:32 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:11 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Gee, shocking I know. Only a selfish, total idiot would take drugs like that with a developing fetus inside of their body.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-there-a-l...ssant-use/

You've never dealt with a clinically depressed person have you?

Apparently not. A woman off her meds combined with pregnancy hormones is a danger to herself and everyone else. On top of that, the doctors say it is safe and encourage the use.

My impression from the relative risks is that there is a far greater risk that to the child if the woman does not take her medication during pregnancy because (I'm speculating) that the likelihood of post-partum depression is relatively high and there is a good chance of potential damage to the child if that does occur.

I'd assume it's not only postpartum but also during the pregnancy itself. I can't imagine falling into a deep depression while carrying a child would lead to positive outcomes.

And, incidentally, reading comprehension seems overrated as well. From the article:

Study finds link between autism and mother's antidepressant use - CBS News

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-there-a-l...ssant-use/ Wrote:"Research shows that some of the genes that seem to carry the risk for depression are shared as risk factors for autism. So we can't know whether it's the drug exposure that carries the risk or the depression itself," Dr. Bryan King, director of Seattle Children's Autism Center and professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at the University of Washington, told CBS News. "So, overall here we're looking at a small incremental increase in risk if indeed one can even attribute it to the antidepressant exposure." King wrote an editorial published alongside the study which highlights the complexity of the issue.

Should it surprise "everyone" that a mental disability is more likely to occur in a child when one of the parents also has a mental disability?

Here is a reminder that "link" is a synonym of "correlation", but not a synonym of "causation".

(12-15-2015 12:03 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 12:00 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:58 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:38 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:35 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Several actually. Though mostly males. I hope the few females I've dealt with aren't this stupid and selfish.

Common sense tells you that taking anti-depressants when pregnant is a terrible ******* idea. Common sense doesn't require a scientific study or a doctor to tell you that.

Since when is complex pharmacology and embryology supposed to be common sense? If a clinically depressed woman gets pregnant, and taking her off antidepressants could lead to her falling into a deep depression and reverting to abusing drugs or suicide, then "common sense" would dictate the antidepressants are the better option.

Than increased chances of giving her child autism?

I don't know why people have had their heads buried in the sand for so long about this issue. Everyone knows damn well why autism rates are skyrocketing in the United States of Overmedication.

You really need to stop right here before you dig yourself a bigger hole.

Well, who needs proof when "everyone knows"?

Sad thing is, the biggest single reason for the increase in autism diagnoses is that they changed the diagnosis for autism in a way that inherently includes more people. It'd be like lowering the BMI standard for what counts as obese and then wondering a year later why our obesity rates skyrocketed so quickly.

(12-15-2015 12:05 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 12:02 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:38 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:32 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:11 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Gee, shocking I know. Only a selfish, total idiot would take drugs like that with a developing fetus inside of their body.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-there-a-l...ssant-use/

You've never dealt with a clinically depressed person have you?

Apparently not. A woman off her meds combined with pregnancy hormones is a danger to herself and everyone else. On top of that, the doctors say it is safe and encourage the use.

My impression from the relative risks is that there is a far greater risk that to the child if the woman does not take her medication during pregnancy because (I'm speculating) that the likelihood of post-partum depression is relatively high and there is a good chance of potential damage to the child if that does occur.

I'd assume it's not only postpartum but also during the pregnancy itself. I can't imagine falling into a deep depression while carrying a child would lead to positive outcomes.

Probably not, but I couldn't begin to speculate on the likelihood of that happening or consequences if it were to happen.

Also, another important factor, an 87% increase sure seems like a lot, but not when put into context.

Quote:"We have to keep in mind that this is a relative risk. The prevalence of autism in the population is 1 percent," Bérard said. "So that means an 87 percent increase in risk makes it go from 1 percent to about 1.87 percent."

Anyone who jumped on the poor mothers train gonna admit they should have read more? Nah, of course not.