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Oklahoma and Kansas?
There is a suggesting by a poster on the main board that Oklahoma and Kansas are in talks with the Big Ten, what do you guys make of this? Should we be going west? Is Oklahoma a big enough to overlook academics? Is it too late to convince Mizzou to come here with Kansas and leave Oklahoma for the SEC?
01-24-2016 08:48 PM
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RE: Oklahoma and Kansas?
(01-24-2016 08:48 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  There is a suggesting by a poster on the main board that Oklahoma and Kansas are in talks with the Big Ten, what do you guys make of this? Should we be going west? Is Oklahoma a big enough to overlook academics? Is it too late to convince Mizzou to come here with Kansas and leave Oklahoma for the SEC?
Dexter I'm sure they have been in talks with the Big 10. I have no reason to doubt it. That said it is way to early to draw conclusions other than that. When these schools want to move they investigate offers from everyone.

Right now we don't know if the ACC will survive the economic inequity without an ACCN. I do know that both the Big 10 and SEC would rather expand to the East.

What I am sure of is that when it is over both the SEC and Big 10 will have acquired two desirable prizes each. Who they are remains to be seen.
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Re: RE: Oklahoma and Kansas?
(01-24-2016 08:56 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-24-2016 08:48 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  There is a suggesting by a poster on the main board that Oklahoma and Kansas are in talks with the Big Ten, what do you guys make of this? Should we be going west? Is Oklahoma a big enough to overlook academics? Is it too late to convince Mizzou to come here with Kansas and leave Oklahoma for the SEC?
Dexter I'm sure they have been in talks with the Big 10. I have no reason to doubt it. That said it is way to early to draw conclusions other than that. When these schools want to move they investigate offers from everyone.

Right now we don't know if the ACC will survive the economic inequity without an ACCN. I do know that both the Big 10 and SEC would rather expand to the East.

What I am sure of is that when it is over both the SEC and Big 10 will have acquired two desirable prizes each. Who they are remains to be seen.

Its unfortunate that both conferences want to move east, east is the last thing i want. But i think you are right.
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(01-24-2016 08:38 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I'll believe it when I see it. I think Oklahoma is quite a coup for the Big Ten athletically but I don't think they are good enough on the academic side of things to have the Big Ten academic snobs accept them with "just" Kansas. I think it would have to take Texas in order to get the snobs to accept Oklahoma. We'll see.

I share the same opinion as this guy who posted on the CS/CR board.

I'd rather the conference move east unless Texas was involved.
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Been telling you guys this for awhile now.
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(01-24-2016 09:17 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(01-24-2016 08:38 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I'll believe it when I see it. I think Oklahoma is quite a coup for the Big Ten athletically but I don't think they are good enough on the academic side of things to have the Big Ten academic snobs accept them with "just" Kansas. I think it would have to take Texas in order to get the snobs to accept Oklahoma. We'll see.

I share the same opinion as this guy who posted on the CS/CR board.

I'd rather the conference move east unless Texas was involved.

Ick, I'm no fan of anyone east of Penn State, Maryland gets an exception because i love their football uniforms and Rutgers gets one for being part of the start of this glorious collegiate sport.
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RE: Oklahoma and Kansas?
When I say "east" I mean someone in the ACC below Maryland. Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Florida State, etc. I don't mean Syracuse, Boston College, UConn, or others.
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Re: RE: Oklahoma and Kansas?
(01-24-2016 09:36 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  When I say "east" I mean someone in the ACC below Maryland. Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Florida State, etc. I don't mean Syracuse, Boston College, UConn, or others.

As do I. I don't believe any East Coaster belongs in this conference, I'll deal with it but wont be a fan, I've always wanted Mizzou and Kansas from the start.
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(01-24-2016 09:47 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  
(01-24-2016 09:36 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  When I say "east" I mean someone in the ACC below Maryland. Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Florida State, etc. I don't mean Syracuse, Boston College, UConn, or others.

As do I. I believe any East Coaster belongs in this conference, I'll deal with it but wont be a fan, I've always wanted Mizzou and Kansas from the start.

But Missouri is so blah. I guess the best thing you can say about them is that at least they won't steal the spotlight from anyone by winning a conference championship and they won't embarrass the conference (on the field) and finish last.
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RE: Oklahoma and Kansas?
(01-24-2016 09:47 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  
(01-24-2016 09:36 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  When I say "east" I mean someone in the ACC below Maryland. Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Florida State, etc. I don't mean Syracuse, Boston College, UConn, or others.

As do I. I believe any East Coaster belongs in this conference, I'll deal with it but wont be a fan, I've always wanted Mizzou and Kansas from the start.

I totally understand. I would still prefer Florida State and Clemson.
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RE: Oklahoma and Kansas?
(01-24-2016 09:53 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(01-24-2016 09:47 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  
(01-24-2016 09:36 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  When I say "east" I mean someone in the ACC below Maryland. Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Florida State, etc. I don't mean Syracuse, Boston College, UConn, or others.

As do I. I *don't* believe any East Coaster belongs in this conference, I'll deal with it but wont be a fan, I've always wanted Mizzou and Kansas from the start.

But Missouri is so blah. I guess the best thing you can say about them is that at least they won't steal the spotlight from anyone by winning a conference championship and they won't embarrass the conference (on the field) and finish last.

I'm a regional kinda guy I guess you could say, can't bring myself to even move outta one of my childhood towns. I'm no fan of the city or east coast influence, I like my farm towns with a small block going through town.

(01-24-2016 09:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-24-2016 09:47 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  
(01-24-2016 09:36 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  When I say "east" I mean someone in the ACC below Maryland. Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Florida State, etc. I don't mean Syracuse, Boston College, UConn, or others.

As do I. I *don't* believe any East Coaster belongs in this conference, I'll deal with it but wont be a fan, I've always wanted Mizzou and Kansas from the start.

I totally understand. I would still prefer Florida State and Clemson.

As you should, heck NC State and East Carolina would fit the mold as well. I envy how the SEC has united as a region and unite against other conferences fans.
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RE: Oklahoma and Kansas?
(01-24-2016 09:53 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(01-24-2016 09:47 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  
(01-24-2016 09:36 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  When I say "east" I mean someone in the ACC below Maryland. Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Florida State, etc. I don't mean Syracuse, Boston College, UConn, or others.

As do I. I believe any East Coaster belongs in this conference, I'll deal with it but wont be a fan, I've always wanted Mizzou and Kansas from the start.

But Missouri is so blah. I guess the best thing you can say about them is that at least they won't steal the spotlight from anyone by winning a conference championship and they won't embarrass the conference (on the field) and finish last.

There is nothing wrong with that. Trust me, although certain persons wont admit it, there is plenty of ill will down in the Southeast about new additions having such success immediately upon entrance. It tarnished their image of being above every other league.

There is nothing wrong with bringing in a quality school to be a quality role player in the league.
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RE: Oklahoma and Kansas?
(01-24-2016 09:53 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(01-24-2016 09:47 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  
(01-24-2016 09:36 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  When I say "east" I mean someone in the ACC below Maryland. Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Florida State, etc. I don't mean Syracuse, Boston College, UConn, or others.

As do I. I believe any East Coaster belongs in this conference, I'll deal with it but wont be a fan, I've always wanted Mizzou and Kansas from the start.

But Missouri is so blah. I guess the best thing you can say about them is that at least they won't steal the spotlight from anyone by winning a conference championship and they won't embarrass the conference (on the field) and finish last.

As someone once put it "missouri is a dependable minivan". No one gets excited about the minivan, but appreciate its dependability and function. The B1G already has multiple Ferrari's (Ohio State) and Lambo's (Michigan), but lacks some dependable middle type cars.

But to answer the question, yes, we would still be interested. Junior membership is a hang up, but if deals can be made, we would come in a NY minute. Everyone in the administration is in love with B1G and the prestige that comes with membership.

Mizzou and kansas is the ideal scenario IMO. Restarts mu-ku rivalry, mu-nu rivalry, makes mizzou-illinois a conference rivalry. Adds ku bball. Moves Purdue east.
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(01-25-2016 12:27 PM)5thTiger Wrote:  
(01-24-2016 09:53 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(01-24-2016 09:47 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  
(01-24-2016 09:36 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  When I say "east" I mean someone in the ACC below Maryland. Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Florida State, etc. I don't mean Syracuse, Boston College, UConn, or others.

As do I. I believe any East Coaster belongs in this conference, I'll deal with it but wont be a fan, I've always wanted Mizzou and Kansas from the start.

But Missouri is so blah. I guess the best thing you can say about them is that at least they won't steal the spotlight from anyone by winning a conference championship and they won't embarrass the conference (on the field) and finish last.

As someone once put it "missouri is a dependable minivan". No one gets excited about the minivan, but appreciate its dependability and function. The B1G already has multiple Ferrari's (Ohio State) and Lambo's (Michigan), but lacks some dependable middle type cars.

But to answer the question, yes, we would still be interested. Junior membership is a hang up, but if deals can be made, we would come in a NY minute. Everyone in the administration is in love with B1G and the prestige that comes with membership.

Mizzou and kansas is the ideal scenario IMO. Restarts mu-ku rivalry, mu-nu rivalry, makes mizzou-illinois a conference rivalry. Adds ku bball. Moves Purdue east.

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For purely selfish reasons, I'd rather see us get UVa/UNC into the BIG. That means in a couple of years when I retire and move South, i'd still be able to see RU in conference play. Frankly, it appears that the ACC is the more stable of the two conferences right now. Supposedly the B12 is heading for a showdown at its Feb conference meetings where OU will demand that it expand. Should an expansion push fail, or the expansion make the B12 more Texascentric I think it is very likely OU and KU look to join the BIG.
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In the Big City, we used to have a name for Midwesterners: "marks".

I kid, I kid. I wouldn't mind seeing Kansas in the B1G. I work with a couple of Kansas grads who are sharp, standup individuals. I bet Kansas would be able to negotiate a full share sooner than Rutgers could.
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(01-25-2016 12:27 PM)5thTiger Wrote:  
(01-24-2016 09:53 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(01-24-2016 09:47 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  
(01-24-2016 09:36 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  When I say "east" I mean someone in the ACC below Maryland. Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Florida State, etc. I don't mean Syracuse, Boston College, UConn, or others.

As do I. I believe any East Coaster belongs in this conference, I'll deal with it but wont be a fan, I've always wanted Mizzou and Kansas from the start.

But Missouri is so blah. I guess the best thing you can say about them is that at least they won't steal the spotlight from anyone by winning a conference championship and they won't embarrass the conference (on the field) and finish last.

As someone once put it "missouri is a dependable minivan". No one gets excited about the minivan, but appreciate its dependability and function. The B1G already has multiple Ferrari's (Ohio State) and Lambo's (Michigan), but lacks some dependable middle type cars.

But to answer the question, yes, we would still be interested. Junior membership is a hang up, but if deals can be made, we would come in a NY minute. Everyone in the administration is in love with B1G and the prestige that comes with membership.

Mizzou and kansas is the ideal scenario IMO. Restarts mu-ku rivalry, mu-nu rivalry, makes mizzou-illinois a conference rivalry. Adds ku bball. Moves Purdue east.

Missouri is fine but they just don't excite. It feels like settling. On a positive though, it is better to be the southernmost school in a northern conference than it is to be the northernmost school in a southern conference so maybe they can use that to their recruiting advantage.
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I prefer Virginia Tech and North Carolina State. Both schools fit the Big 10 academic profile. The former has an established track record of success, trading up to a better conference from the BE to the ACC. The latter, otoh, has potential that's been unrealized primarily because it competes against too many ACC schools in North Carolina.
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My take is what it usually is when these things show up and that is to assume it is all bogus (I eventually get convinced otherwise sometimes, but that's usually the safe place to start).

I doubt there are any serious talks at this point for a few reasons beyond that though.
1. On their end, Kansas and Oklahoma would be having back door talks to end the conference that Oklahoma State and Kansas State rely on. I don't see that happening. They might move without their in-state brothers, but the argument will be they had no choice. They won't be the ones leading a Big 12 exodus.
2. The Big 12 grant of rights isn't something I think the Big Ten wants to challenge at this point and more than that, I don't think the votes would be there. The Big Ten didn't go after Missouri or Kansas/Oklahoma before and not much has changed. People overvalue the idea of super conferences. While it's exciting to hear of a conference expanding, they create scheduling nightmares, divide old members, reduce already greatly reduced frequency of opponents, and risk fracturing things long term.

More to the point, the Big Ten has shown it is fairly happy with the current set-up and I think there are probably only 3 schools in the country that would make them change their minds today (Notre Dame, Texas, and North Carolina). Someday that will change, but I think for now the conference is set.
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(01-25-2016 10:18 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(01-25-2016 12:27 PM)5thTiger Wrote:  
(01-24-2016 09:53 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(01-24-2016 09:47 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  
(01-24-2016 09:36 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  When I say "east" I mean someone in the ACC below Maryland. Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Florida State, etc. I don't mean Syracuse, Boston College, UConn, or others.

As do I. I believe any East Coaster belongs in this conference, I'll deal with it but wont be a fan, I've always wanted Mizzou and Kansas from the start.

But Missouri is so blah. I guess the best thing you can say about them is that at least they won't steal the spotlight from anyone by winning a conference championship and they won't embarrass the conference (on the field) and finish last.

As someone once put it "missouri is a dependable minivan". No one gets excited about the minivan, but appreciate its dependability and function. The B1G already has multiple Ferrari's (Ohio State) and Lambo's (Michigan), but lacks some dependable middle type cars.

But to answer the question, yes, we would still be interested. Junior membership is a hang up, but if deals can be made, we would come in a NY minute. Everyone in the administration is in love with B1G and the prestige that comes with membership.

Mizzou and kansas is the ideal scenario IMO. Restarts mu-ku rivalry, mu-nu rivalry, makes mizzou-illinois a conference rivalry. Adds ku bball. Moves Purdue east.

Missouri is fine but they just don't excite. It feels like settling. On a positive though, it is better to be the southernmost school in a northern conference than it is to be the northernmost school in a southern conference so maybe they can use that to their recruiting advantage.

Everyone is settling. This last round isn't entirely about the brands that you get, it is about the infrastructure you can put into place after the final round happens. Missouri may not be exciting but a final expansion of one Eastern and one Western program means our four divisions will be easy to set up. Two to the West means Ohio State gets pushed into the East division. Two to the East means that an Eastern School has to be in a division with some Core Big Ten schools rather than their Eastern Regional schools.

I find it amusing that people so easily believe the talk about Penn State possibly ever leaving if we hadn't expanded with Maryland and Rutgers. Now, put Penn State in a division with Ohio State, Indiana and Purdue while an Eastern division is created without them. Now THAT would piss them off. Nah, Missouri makes things pretty easy for The Big Ten and the likes of Virginia Tech makes that Eastern Division respectable with Penn State and Virginia Tech anchoring it.
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