(02-05-2016 02:29 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  I feel sorry for Lee & Lewis, they didn't have anything to do with this.

I have no sympathy at all for graduate transfers. None. They transferred just for sports.

Sorry, but if you actually graduate with an undergraduate degree while still having eligibility left, you absolutely deserve to transfer wherever you choose, penalty free. You've earned it.

(02-05-2016 02:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 02:29 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  I feel sorry for Lee & Lewis, they didn't have anything to do with this.

I have no sympathy at all for graduate transfers. None. They transferred just for sports.

They graduated from their previous universities & took a step to help further their professional careers, or at least have a chance at one. What is the problem with someone trying to improve themselves? They didn't create the rule, they followed the rules.

He just doesn't like it, as a personal ideological choice. And he has no actual counter-argument against it.

Instead, he'll throw out something like "no one is talking about keeping that rule, everyone is saying it's going to get changed". Nothing to do with making an argument.

(02-05-2016 02:40 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 02:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 02:29 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  I feel sorry for Lee & Lewis, they didn't have anything to do with this.

I have no sympathy at all for graduate transfers. None. They transferred just for sports.

They graduated from their previous universities & took a step to help further their professional careers, or at least have a chance at one. What is the problem with someone trying to improve themselves? They didn't create the rule, they followed the rules.

It's a loophole. They screwed their original schools by leaving. Sorry but I have no remorse for them at all whatsoever.

(02-05-2016 02:45 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 02:40 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 02:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 02:29 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  I feel sorry for Lee & Lewis, they didn't have anything to do with this.

I have no sympathy at all for graduate transfers. None. They transferred just for sports.

They graduated from their previous universities & took a step to help further their professional careers, or at least have a chance at one. What is the problem with someone trying to improve themselves? They didn't create the rule, they followed the rules.

It's a loophole. They screwed their original schools by leaving. Sorry but I have no remorse for them at all whatsoever.

How is that any different when a coach leaves? Do you take advantage of any "loopholes" in your taxes?

How did they "screw" their old school? Scholarships are for year to year, they honored their scholarships, went to class & graduated. Aren't non athletic students allowed to transfer after graduating, why the discrimination against student athletes?

(02-05-2016 03:21 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 02:45 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 02:40 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 02:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 02:29 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  I feel sorry for Lee & Lewis, they didn't have anything to do with this.

I have no sympathy at all for graduate transfers. None. They transferred just for sports.

They graduated from their previous universities & took a step to help further their professional careers, or at least have a chance at one. What is the problem with someone trying to improve themselves? They didn't create the rule, they followed the rules.

It's a loophole. They screwed their original schools by leaving. Sorry but I have no remorse for them at all whatsoever.

How is that any different when a coach leaves? Do you take advantage of any "loopholes" in your taxes?

How did they "screw" their old school? Scholarships are for year to year, they honored their scholarships, went to class & graduated. Aren't non athletic students allowed to transfer after graduating, why the discrimination against student athletes?

Have no problem with them transferring, but they should sit out a year- like EVERY other transfer. Free Agency has no place in college sports. And that is all graduate transfers are- free agents.

That doesn't answer how they "screwed" their school. Whether they set out or not, they still would have left. No more of a "screw" job to sit out or not, if they leave.

(02-05-2016 03:28 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  That doesn't answer how they "screwed" their school. Whether they set out or not, they still would have left. No more of a "screw" job to sit out or not, if they leave.

If they had to sit out a year, they wouldn't leave. The only reason they leave is they can play right away with the bogus rule.

Try this one stever: what if the player simply decided to graduate school early and move on with life??

Zero less "screwing" the team by not playing one more year. But yet in that scenario you're not talking trash about them. In fact, congratulating them on earning a degree and wishing them well in next phase of life.

Sounds hypocritical...

(02-05-2016 03:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 03:21 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 02:45 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 02:40 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 02:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I have no sympathy at all for graduate transfers. None. They transferred just for sports.

They graduated from their previous universities & took a step to help further their professional careers, or at least have a chance at one. What is the problem with someone trying to improve themselves? They didn't create the rule, they followed the rules.

It's a loophole. They screwed their original schools by leaving. Sorry but I have no remorse for them at all whatsoever.

How is that any different when a coach leaves? Do you take advantage of any "loopholes" in your taxes?

How did they "screw" their old school? Scholarships are for year to year, they honored their scholarships, went to class & graduated. Aren't non athletic students allowed to transfer after graduating, why the discrimination against student athletes?

Have no problem with them transferring, but they should sit out a year- like EVERY other transfer. Free Agency has no place in college sports. And that is all graduate transfers are- free agents.

They aren't transfer students. A transfer student takes credits gained at one institution and transfers them to another, applying them to a new degree. What these kids did is graduate from a school and then attend another one, like a lot of people do when they go to grad school.

They are called graduate TRANSFERS.

free agency has zero place in college sports.

(02-05-2016 03:49 PM)stever20 Wrote:  They are called graduate TRANSFERS.

free agency has zero place in college sports.

It's NOT a normal transfer. Why discriminate against student athletes when normal students are allowed to transfer to further their degrees & education? You would be taking that right away from them just because they are athletes. It's not free agency.

It is 100% free agency......

don't see a sophomore allowed to transfer to further their degree and play right away- even though other normal students do.

Guys, we're not going to change his mind.

People are allowed to have incorrect opinions and defend them just as vigorously as if they were correct. It happens all the time. Let's move on.

(02-05-2016 03:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-05-2016 03:28 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  That doesn't answer how they "screwed" their school. Whether they set out or not, they still would have left. No more of a "screw" job to sit out or not, if they leave.

If they had to sit out a year, they wouldn't leave. The only reason they leave is they can play right away with the bogus rule.

So the 79 or graduate transfers who left their school last year, after spending four full years at their school screwed their teams, but the 389 or so other transfers who left their schools after one or two years did not? I am not sure I see the logic

(02-05-2016 04:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  It is 100% free agency......

don't see a sophomore allowed to transfer to further their degree and play right away- even though other normal students do.

You need to look harder. Quite a few do leave and get to play right away, if they transfer near home, due to a hardship. There were actually more of those than there were grad transfers. Now that rule has been closed, but it was in existence far longer than the grad transfer rule. For example, last year Georgia State had three of them on their team, guys who transferred prior to graduating and were immediately eligible.

Yeah but he's just gonna say that the grad transfer rule should be/will be closed, too.

He has yet to provide an actual argument supporting the abolition of the rule.

(02-05-2016 04:21 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  He has yet to provide an actual argument supporting the abolition of the rule.

To be fair there are some coaches who would be in favor of the rule being removed. So it is not that the argument against it doesn't exist.

(02-05-2016 04:21 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Yeah but he's just gonna say that the grad transfer rule should be/will be closed, too.

He has yet to provide an actual argument supporting the abolition of the rule.

And he can't without violating another rule or a student's rights.