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RE: Hey LaTech...
"says the ULL fan on the smack board that everyone ignores on a conference board that is not their own."

Says the @ruston fan who obviously hasn't any clue of the word 'irony,' lol.

But let me get this straight: is your position that research dollars and academics do not go hand in hand?
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(02-16-2016 05:08 PM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  Red herrings. Because you can't answer and won't address the obvious decline in ltu-r's academic standing.


But let me get this straight: is your position that research dollars and academics do not go hand in hand?
Yes. See my choose a college example. Gross is not the same as average and the rankings have a clear bias to size. Bigger is not better in academics. Better is better.

Let's play a game. I'll try to explain to you the difference between research dollars and academic standing, I'll prove my point, and you can giggle and type "obvious decline in ltu-r's academic standing" for the hundredth time.

I could tell you that ULL's average freshman GPA is 3.3 and La Tech is 3.5.

I could tell you that 4% of ULL freshmen made 30 or greater on their ACT and 13% made that at La Tech.

I could tell you that in fact even though ULL has 6,619 more students that La Tech, that La Tech has 128 more freshmen with 30+ on their ACT than ULL has.

I could tell you that 62% of ULL's faculty has a PhD or terminal degree while La Tech is at 76%.

http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/colle...oolId=1086

http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/colle...oolId=1521

I could go on and on and ULL would still have La Tech beat in research dollars and sheer size, so that is what you will choose to hang your hat on.

Sounds boring.
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RE: Hey LaTech...
(02-16-2016 05:43 PM)zharkins Wrote:  
(02-16-2016 05:08 PM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  Red herrings. Because you can't answer and won't address the obvious decline in ltu-r's academic standing.


But let me get this straight: is your position that research dollars and academics do not go hand in hand?
Yes. See my choose a college example. Gross is not the same as average and the rankings have a clear bias to size. Bigger is not better in academics. Better is better.

Let's play a game. I'll try to explain to you the difference between research dollars and academic standing, I'll prove my point, and you can giggle and type "obvious decline in ltu-r's academic standing" for the hundredth time.

I could tell you that ULL's average freshman GPA is 3.3 and La Tech is 3.5.

I could tell you that 4% of ULL freshmen made 30 or greater on their ACT and 13% made that at La Tech.

I could tell you that in fact even though ULL has 6,619 more students that La Tech, that La Tech has 128 more freshmen with 30+ on their ACT than ULL has.

I could tell you that 62% of ULL's faculty has a PhD or terminal degree while La Tech is at 76%.

http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/colle...oolId=1086

http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/colle...oolId=1521

I could go on and on and ULL would still have La Tech beat in research dollars and sheer size, so that is what you will choose to hang your hat on.

Sounds boring.

No. What we are our hanging our hat on is having a higher academic classification than you. Your classification is now on the same level as ULM.

And I can quote a bunch of positive points about UL:

--UL also has more research money than the rest of the ULS schools combined.
--UL is a Rockefeller Institute of Government Top 100 public research universities,
--UL is a designated National Foundation Research Center and is a Top 10 fastest growing R&D university in the US.
--UL has nationally ranked doctoral programs in Computer Science, Engineering, Business and Nursing.
--UL has one of the Top 10 Electrical Engineering graduate programs in the country.
--UL's Business School is a Top 100 by Princeton Review.
--UL is the #1 on-line college in Louisiana and #39 in the country.
--And we maintained our R2 classification when ltu-r did not.
--And we did this while using less the half % of state funds that ltu-r has to prop up their athletic program.....at the expense of their academics.

But you can be happy with slipping to the same academic level as ULM. Enjoy!!!!

But most of all, we can now the bask in the enjoyment from the total silence from the @rustin crowd on the cusa, SBC, and ULM boards. And most of all RP.
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RE: Hey LaTech...
So, just to recap and summarize the issue:

It was an undeniably, huge issue for ltu-r when achieved R2 status, as can be witnessed by the original announcement from the university, to its on-going use of it in their promotions...especially in the July 2015 release.

Therefore, the lowering of its classification now has to be an equal effect, but in the opposite direction.

I hope you little fellas enjoy all that 'separation,' that brought you to an equal standing with ULM.....

Later!
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RE: Hey LaTech...
(02-16-2016 06:09 PM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  
(02-16-2016 05:43 PM)zharkins Wrote:  
(02-16-2016 05:08 PM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  Red herrings. Because you can't answer and won't address the obvious decline in ltu-r's academic standing.


But let me get this straight: is your position that research dollars and academics do not go hand in hand?
Yes. See my choose a college example. Gross is not the same as average and the rankings have a clear bias to size. Bigger is not better in academics. Better is better.

Let's play a game. I'll try to explain to you the difference between research dollars and academic standing, I'll prove my point, and you can giggle and type "obvious decline in ltu-r's academic standing" for the hundredth time.

I could tell you that ULL's average freshman GPA is 3.3 and La Tech is 3.5.

I could tell you that 4% of ULL freshmen made 30 or greater on their ACT and 13% made that at La Tech.

I could tell you that in fact even though ULL has 6,619 more students that La Tech, that La Tech has 128 more freshmen with 30+ on their ACT than ULL has.

I could tell you that 62% of ULL's faculty has a PhD or terminal degree while La Tech is at 76%.

http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/colle...oolId=1086

http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/colle...oolId=1521

I could go on and on and ULL would still have La Tech beat in research dollars and sheer size, so that is what you will choose to hang your hat on.

Sounds boring.

No. What we are our hanging our hat on is having a higher academic classification than you. Your classification is now on the same level as ULM.

And I can quote a bunch of positive points about UL:

--UL also has more research money than the rest of the ULS schools combined.
--UL is a Rockefeller Institute of Government Top 100 public research universities,
--UL is a designated National Foundation Research Center and is a Top 10 fastest growing R&D university in the US.
--UL has nationally ranked doctoral programs in Computer Science, Engineering, Business and Nursing.
--UL has one of the Top 10 Electrical Engineering graduate programs in the country.
--UL's Business School is a Top 100 by Princeton Review.
--UL is the #1 on-line college in Louisiana and #39 in the country.
--And we maintained our R2 classification when ltu-r did not.
--And we did this while using less the half % of state funds that ltu-r has to prop up their athletic program.....at the expense of their academics.

But you can be happy with slipping to the same academic level as ULM. Enjoy!!!!

But most of all, we can now the enjoyment from the total silence from the @rustin crowd on the cusa, SBC, and ULM boards. And most of all RP.

All this bragging about this and that trying to show you belong with Tech and you still don't even know the name of your school...
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RE: Hey LaTech...
(02-16-2016 06:44 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  
(02-16-2016 06:09 PM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  
(02-16-2016 05:43 PM)zharkins Wrote:  
(02-16-2016 05:08 PM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  Red herrings. Because you can't answer and won't address the obvious decline in ltu-r's academic standing.


But let me get this straight: is your position that research dollars and academics do not go hand in hand?
Yes. See my choose a college example. Gross is not the same as average and the rankings have a clear bias to size. Bigger is not better in academics. Better is better.

Let's play a game. I'll try to explain to you the difference between research dollars and academic standing, I'll prove my point, and you can giggle and type "obvious decline in ltu-r's academic standing" for the hundredth time.

I could tell you that ULL's average freshman GPA is 3.3 and La Tech is 3.5.

I could tell you that 4% of ULL freshmen made 30 or greater on their ACT and 13% made that at La Tech.

I could tell you that in fact even though ULL has 6,619 more students that La Tech, that La Tech has 128 more freshmen with 30+ on their ACT than ULL has.

I could tell you that 62% of ULL's faculty has a PhD or terminal degree while La Tech is at 76%.

http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/colle...oolId=1086

http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/colle...oolId=1521

I could go on and on and ULL would still have La Tech beat in research dollars and sheer size, so that is what you will choose to hang your hat on.

Sounds boring.

No. What we are our hanging our hat on is having a higher academic classification than you. Your classification is now on the same level as ULM.

And I can quote a bunch of positive points about UL:

--UL also has more research money than the rest of the ULS schools combined.
--UL is a Rockefeller Institute of Government Top 100 public research universities,
--UL is a designated National Foundation Research Center and is a Top 10 fastest growing R&D university in the US.
--UL has nationally ranked doctoral programs in Computer Science, Engineering, Business and Nursing.
--UL has one of the Top 10 Electrical Engineering graduate programs in the country.
--UL's Business School is a Top 100 by Princeton Review.
--UL is the #1 on-line college in Louisiana and #39 in the country.
--And we maintained our R2 classification when ltu-r did not.
--And we did this while using less the half % of state funds that ltu-r has to prop up their athletic program.....at the expense of their academics.

But you can be happy with slipping to the same academic level as ULM. Enjoy!!!!

But most of all, we can now the enjoyment from the total silence from the @rustin crowd on the cusa, SBC, and ULM boards. And most of all RP.

All this bragging about this and that trying to show you belong with Tech and you still don't even know the name of your school...
Lol....all those facts and yet we get.....the name game issue. Gotta love that @ruston humor!

Oh, and the most important you failed to grasp is that we are quite aware that we don't belong with ltu-r: that loathsome task is now for ULM to handle. Since you guys are now on the same level.
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RE: Hey LaTech...
(02-16-2016 06:48 PM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  
(02-16-2016 06:44 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  
(02-16-2016 06:09 PM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  
(02-16-2016 05:43 PM)zharkins Wrote:  
(02-16-2016 05:08 PM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  Red herrings. Because you can't answer and won't address the obvious decline in ltu-r's academic standing.


But let me get this straight: is your position that research dollars and academics do not go hand in hand?
Yes. See my choose a college example. Gross is not the same as average and the rankings have a clear bias to size. Bigger is not better in academics. Better is better.

Let's play a game. I'll try to explain to you the difference between research dollars and academic standing, I'll prove my point, and you can giggle and type "obvious decline in ltu-r's academic standing" for the hundredth time.

I could tell you that ULL's average freshman GPA is 3.3 and La Tech is 3.5.

I could tell you that 4% of ULL freshmen made 30 or greater on their ACT and 13% made that at La Tech.

I could tell you that in fact even though ULL has 6,619 more students that La Tech, that La Tech has 128 more freshmen with 30+ on their ACT than ULL has.

I could tell you that 62% of ULL's faculty has a PhD or terminal degree while La Tech is at 76%.

http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/colle...oolId=1086

http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/colle...oolId=1521

I could go on and on and ULL would still have La Tech beat in research dollars and sheer size, so that is what you will choose to hang your hat on.

Sounds boring.

No. What we are our hanging our hat on is having a higher academic classification than you. Your classification is now on the same level as ULM.

And I can quote a bunch of positive points about UL:

--UL also has more research money than the rest of the ULS schools combined.
--UL is a Rockefeller Institute of Government Top 100 public research universities,
--UL is a designated National Foundation Research Center and is a Top 10 fastest growing R&D university in the US.
--UL has nationally ranked doctoral programs in Computer Science, Engineering, Business and Nursing.
--UL has one of the Top 10 Electrical Engineering graduate programs in the country.
--UL's Business School is a Top 100 by Princeton Review.
--UL is the #1 on-line college in Louisiana and #39 in the country.
--And we maintained our R2 classification when ltu-r did not.
--And we did this while using less the half % of state funds that ltu-r has to prop up their athletic program.....at the expense of their academics.

But you can be happy with slipping to the same academic level as ULM. Enjoy!!!!

But most of all, we can now the enjoyment from the total silence from the @rustin crowd on the cusa, SBC, and ULM boards. And most of all RP.

All this bragging about this and that trying to show you belong with Tech and you still don't even know the name of your school...
Lol....all those facts and yet we get.....the name game issue. Gotta love that @ruston humor!

Oh, and the most important you failed to grasp is that we are quite aware that we don't belong with ltu-r: that loathsome task is now for ULM to handle. Since you guys are now on the same level.
We're still a Tier 1 university along with LSU and Tulane and you're not...Just saying.
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(02-16-2016 06:58 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  
(02-16-2016 06:48 PM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  
(02-16-2016 06:44 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  
(02-16-2016 06:09 PM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  
(02-16-2016 05:43 PM)zharkins Wrote:  Yes. See my choose a college example. Gross is not the same as average and the rankings have a clear bias to size. Bigger is not better in academics. Better is better.

Let's play a game. I'll try to explain to you the difference between research dollars and academic standing, I'll prove my point, and you can giggle and type "obvious decline in ltu-r's academic standing" for the hundredth time.

I could tell you that ULL's average freshman GPA is 3.3 and La Tech is 3.5.

I could tell you that 4% of ULL freshmen made 30 or greater on their ACT and 13% made that at La Tech.

I could tell you that in fact even though ULL has 6,619 more students that La Tech, that La Tech has 128 more freshmen with 30+ on their ACT than ULL has.

I could tell you that 62% of ULL's faculty has a PhD or terminal degree while La Tech is at 76%.

http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/colle...oolId=1086

http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/colle...oolId=1521

I could go on and on and ULL would still have La Tech beat in research dollars and sheer size, so that is what you will choose to hang your hat on.

Sounds boring.

No. What we are our hanging our hat on is having a higher academic classification than you. Your classification is now on the same level as ULM.

And I can quote a bunch of positive points about UL:

--UL also has more research money than the rest of the ULS schools combined.
--UL is a Rockefeller Institute of Government Top 100 public research universities,
--UL is a designated National Foundation Research Center and is a Top 10 fastest growing R&D university in the US.
--UL has nationally ranked doctoral programs in Computer Science, Engineering, Business and Nursing.
--UL has one of the Top 10 Electrical Engineering graduate programs in the country.
--UL's Business School is a Top 100 by Princeton Review.
--UL is the #1 on-line college in Louisiana and #39 in the country.
--And we maintained our R2 classification when ltu-r did not.
--And we did this while using less the half % of state funds that ltu-r has to prop up their athletic program.....at the expense of their academics.

But you can be happy with slipping to the same academic level as ULM. Enjoy!!!!

But most of all, we can now the enjoyment from the total silence from the @rustin crowd on the cusa, SBC, and ULM boards. And most of all RP.

All this bragging about this and that trying to show you belong with Tech and you still don't even know the name of your school...
Lol....all those facts and yet we get.....the name game issue. Gotta love that @ruston humor!

Oh, and the most important you failed to grasp is that we are quite aware that we don't belong with ltu-r: that loathsome task is now for ULM to handle. Since you guys are now on the same level.
We're still a Tier 1 university along with LSU and Tulane and you're not...Just saying.
1. Ltu-r dropped about 10 spots on that T1 list this past fall, and is now at the very end of it.
2. There aren't any T1 schools that also have an R3 Carnegie rating, which ltu-r was just downgraded to.
3. Carneigie classifications occur every five years; T1's are done each fall.

Just saying.
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(02-16-2016 07:02 PM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  
(02-16-2016 06:58 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  
(02-16-2016 06:48 PM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  
(02-16-2016 06:44 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  
(02-16-2016 06:09 PM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  No. What we are our hanging our hat on is having a higher academic classification than you. Your classification is now on the same level as ULM.

And I can quote a bunch of positive points about UL:

--UL also has more research money than the rest of the ULS schools combined.
--UL is a Rockefeller Institute of Government Top 100 public research universities,
--UL is a designated National Foundation Research Center and is a Top 10 fastest growing R&D university in the US.
--UL has nationally ranked doctoral programs in Computer Science, Engineering, Business and Nursing.
--UL has one of the Top 10 Electrical Engineering graduate programs in the country.
--UL's Business School is a Top 100 by Princeton Review.
--UL is the #1 on-line college in Louisiana and #39 in the country.
--And we maintained our R2 classification when ltu-r did not.
--And we did this while using less the half % of state funds that ltu-r has to prop up their athletic program.....at the expense of their academics.

But you can be happy with slipping to the same academic level as ULM. Enjoy!!!!

But most of all, we can now the enjoyment from the total silence from the @rustin crowd on the cusa, SBC, and ULM boards. And most of all RP.

All this bragging about this and that trying to show you belong with Tech and you still don't even know the name of your school...
Lol....all those facts and yet we get.....the name game issue. Gotta love that @ruston humor!

Oh, and the most important you failed to grasp is that we are quite aware that we don't belong with ltu-r: that loathsome task is now for ULM to handle. Since you guys are now on the same level.
We're still a Tier 1 university along with LSU and Tulane and you're not...Just saying.
1. Ltu-r dropped about 10 spots on that T1 list this past fall, and is now at the very end of it.
2. There aren't any T1 schools that also have an R3 Carnegie rating, which ltu-r was just downgraded to.
3. Carneigie classifications occur every five years; T1's are done each fall.

Just saying.

Well until anything changes we're still ranged higher than you partner and I'm sure that ole Carnegie ranking will be different next go around. And it's quite flattering y'all always gotta run over here from Ragin Pagin or the Sun Belt board to brag about new recruitment trailers or some snap shot academic ranking. Keep it up, let's us know we're doing things right in Ruston when you have to come get our approval for your accomplishments.
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Seems as though the questions asked of the Tech guy were answered.
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(02-16-2016 07:20 PM)stoodgedog Wrote:  Seems as though the questions asked of the Tech guy were answered.

No. They were not. A whole lot of subterfuge and red herrings, but nothing to prove that @rustons academics are not in a state of decline.

You can't promote with fanfare the wonderful achievement of achieving R2 status, and than try to squirm out of it when that ranking is demoted.

Period.
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And hey stoodgy: where have you've been? You haven't been on RP in quite a while. What gives???
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Ok, so we will explore your crazy idea that research = academics and there are no other more important factors.

From the UL system website...

UL Lafayette Research Expenditures

2005-2006 $40.9 MM
2006-2007 $42.9 MM
2007-2008 $49.1 MM
2008-2009 $57.2 MM
2009-2010 $56.5 MM
2010-2011 $57.4 MM
2011-2012 $52.6 MM
2012-2013 $59.3 MM
2013-2014 $48.7 MM

So 2013-2014 research expenditures dropped drastically in 2013-2014 to their lowest levels since 2006-2007. How do you explain UL Lafayette's academic success plummeting in the most recent year of available data?

As to your other claims that seem hastily copied and pasted off some other message board...

--UL also has more research money than the rest of the ULS schools combined.
False. ULL has $48.7 MM, the rest of the system has $56.5 MM.

--UL is a Rockefeller Institute of Government Top 100 public research universities,
Misleading is the nicest word. The Rockefeller Institute of Government does not release a Top 100 list. This was pulled from a paper published by the organization in 2010 that ranked ULL 99th. ULL was the only school in the country that announced this prestigious ranking.

--UL is a designated National Foundation Research Center and is a Top 10 fastest growing R&D university in the US.
Unverifiable and seems to be made up. A Google search of "National Foundation Research Center" turns up only 6 results. Add ULL or UL to the search and you just get a post copied from Ragin Pagin to several different message boards. And you aren't growing in R&D at the moment, with a 18% decline in the latest year and the lowest level of expenditures since 2006-2007.

--UL has nationally ranked doctoral programs in Computer Science, Engineering, Business and Nursing.
I don't know how to verify this, but a quick look at ULL's doctoral programs reveals no Business program, which makes your other claims dubious at best. But then again, any ranking would be nationally ranked, so....

--UL has one of the Top 10 Electrical Engineering graduate programs in the country.
That was true last year, but now the program is in obvious decline as it is rated #12 http://www.graduateprograms.com/best-ele...g-schools/ Hey, Louisiana Tech is #17 in Engineering Management. How about that... http://www.graduateprograms.com/masters-...anagement/ Of course, these are based mostly on student reviews of people that visit the sight, so it is obviously a crock.

--UL's Business School is a Top 100 by Princeton Review.
False. From your website "The B.I. Moody III College of Business Administration at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette is among the Princeton Review’s “Best 296 Business Schools.” The 2015 edition of the popular college guide was released on Tuesday by Random House/Princeton Review. The Princeton Review rankings do not include a single hierarchical list from 1 to 296, and no school is named best overall." Still, top 296 is impressive, no need to stretch the truth.

--UL is the #1 on-line college in Louisiana and #39 in the country.
This is based on some site named affordablecollegesonline.com. Unfortunately ULL didn’t make the 45 school list in 2015-2016, a sure sign of decline in your online programs. http://www.affordablecollegesonline.org/...es-online/
US News ranks you #199 in the country, still impressive, but ranks NSU #90...which would not make you #1 in the state.

--And we maintained our R2 classification when ltu-r did not.
Finally something that is true in present day! Took me long enough to get to one. Just like we are Tier 1 and you are not. Maybe if ULL hired more PhD level professors and attracted students with higher ACT scores, you could work up to Tier 1.

--And we did this while using less the half % of state funds that ltu-r has to prop up their athletic program.....at the expense of their academics.
I won’t get into the details because you would argue in circles, but the idea that any institution in Louisiana props up their athletic program with state funds is a scare tactic at best. We all get money from the state, from tuition, fees, etc. No additional funds are allocated from the state to athletics than are already allocated to the university in general. I trust out leadership to allocate funds how they see fit and I have no problem with the amount we allocate to athletics. The majority of that money goes to pay for scholarships anyway, so it just means the state is paying for most likely the people who would not have gone to college otherwise and have a chance at making something out of themselves through an education. And your “at the expense of academics” shtick is to be expected.
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It just still amazes me why we can't both just be good schools, even if we might be good at different things. Unfortunately, your attitude and delusions of grandeur seem to be indicative of most Cajun fans, which alienates your fanbase and makes other in state schools laugh at you. While there is some level of respect between fans of La Tech and schools like LSU and Tulane on message boards, that never seems to exist with ULL and the fans of those schools. When big enough donors feel this way and get the ear of the athletic directors and presidents, lo and behold a school like ULL (that certainly does not belong in the Sun Belt by any measurable standard) finds themselves stuck in the Sun Belt.
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Thanks ZHarkin for taking time to fact check. Now everyone knows what cajun says is misleading at best.
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Good point. Cant blame cajun for being so jealous, they're stuck in the sunbelt and got embarrass by Tech on the field
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LOL.

I could spend a lot of my time disputing most of what you posted but all that would mean is that the circular argument would continue.

So let's just stipulate that both schools have achieved levels of success in the past.....and that both the USNR & Carnegie folks have considered them all when doing their most recent surveys.

That said, the following facts remain unchanged:

1. Ltu-r's T1 status dropped by about ten spots this year, and is now at the end of the list. Since UL is RNP we do not know how close they are (or not) to T1 status.
But what is extremely important to note is that there aren't any T1 schools with an R3 Carneige Classification.

2. Ltu-r's Carnegie Classification dropped to R3, while ULM rose to that same level.
UL has remained a level above both of you guys, at R2. There are a lot of schools that are R2 and T1, so we have 5 years to capitalize on our R2 status, while ltu-r has five years to try to hold onto their T1 with a R3 classification.

Based on what a huge deal ltu-r made when achieving R2 status, you cannot now try to pretend and spin what a huge deal it is to loose that status.
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(02-17-2016 10:59 AM)zharkins Wrote:  It just still amazes me why we can't both just be good schools, even if we might be good at different things. Unfortunately, your attitude and delusions of grandeur seem to be indicative of most Cajun fans, which alienates your fanbase and makes other in state schools laugh at you. While there is some level of respect between fans of La Tech and schools like LSU and Tulane on message boards, that never seems to exist with ULL and the fans of those schools. When big enough donors feel this way and get the ear of the athletic directors and presidents, lo and behold a school like ULL (that certainly does not belong in the Sun Belt by any measurable standard) finds themselves stuck in the Sun Belt.

That is just such a load of bs I cannot believe you have the nerve to post it.

Obviously, your ltu-r blinders do not allow you to realize how ridiclous you guys look by CONSTANTLY throwing out the T1 status in everyone's face. Honestly, y'all took a good achievement and ran it into the ground.....and made yourself look incredibly stupid by doing so.

Your assertion that we are disliked and ltu-r is not is ludicrous. Just plain ludicrous. It is based soley on your biased perceptions and has nothing to do with reality. I can assure you, both lsu and Tulane look down their noses at both of us, but perhaps they view us as more of a threat.

And yes, it is a shame we can't work together better. A good way to start this would be for you guys to support us in our quest to be UL.

To that end I'll leave this with another simple question: why can just about every other state have a UL, lsu and la tech......except Louisiana? Whose jealousy and insecurity is highlighted by that whole issue?
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(02-17-2016 10:59 AM)zharkins Wrote:  Unfortunately, your attitude and delusions of grandeur seem to be indicative of most Cajun fans....

And do you really have the audacity to accuse us of 'delusions of grandeur' when your president.....not a stupid fan on on a sports forum, but your president.....can assert that your 'peers' are schools like lsu, auburn, UH, TAM, etc.???
Do you really think those schools were ever 'peers' of ltu? More importantly, do you really think for one second that any of those schools ever considered ltu-r as a 'peer' of their's????

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That, my friend, is the ultimate in delusion of grandeur. And it came from your president.
The old expression 'the fish rots from the head first' has never been more apt.
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(02-17-2016 11:15 AM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  I could spend a lot of my time disputing most of what you posted, and figures, but all that would mean is that the circular argument would continue.
You can't, because the facts I posted links to haven't changed in the last 30 minutes.

Also, you continue to pretend like the two rankings measure the same thing, while they do not. Carnegie focuses exclusively on research dollars and doctoral degrees granted, which ULL beats Tech in hands down.

US News & World Report heavily weights their rankings differently and only uses the Carnegie Classification to divide schools into National, Regional, etc. The model is 22.5% undergrad academic reputation based on surveys, 22.5% to retention, 20% to faculty resources (class size, salary, highest degree %, student-faculty ration, and full time faculty %), 12.5% to student selectivity, 10% to financial resources, 7.5% to graduation rate, and 5% to alumni giving. We do well in several categories and not so well in some of the lesser categories. What Carnegie Measures is only a subset of the 10% weight in financial resources.

And finally...

(02-17-2016 11:15 AM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  But what is extremely important to note is that there aren't any T1 schools with an R3 Carneige Classification.

Here are all the schools that are Tier 1 US News and R3 Carnegie
Adelphi University
Andrews University
Ashland University
Azuza Pacific University
Biola University
Clark University
Clarkson University
DePaul University
Edgewood College
Hofstra University
Immaculata University
Louisiana Tech University
Maryville University of St. Louis
Pace University
Pepperdine University
Seton Hall University
St. Johns University
SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry
University of La Verne
University of San Diego
University of San Francisco
University of the Pacific
Widener University

You are either really lazy or worse. Basically you suck at facts and truth.

I'm done fact checking your BS that you pull out of your butt. Everyone knows you for what you are now.
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