(02-18-2016 02:13 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 01:55 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 08:57 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  As the landscape of college sports becomes less accomodating for independents, the terms of the ACC / Notre Dame deal may change when it's time to renew... in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it's "all in" at that point. (how many years are left?)

11, I believe. I am fairly sure the deal expires in 2027.

Heck, there may be a new (weakened/backfilled) or no ACC by then. It might be ND with more leverage then. Who knows?

I do, but I'll only tell Hokie Mark. If you want to know, you're going to have to PM him and ask by using the access code "Butterscotch Lollipop Stick"

Lol, I would not try anything that had anything like that as an access code. :)

(02-18-2016 02:38 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 02:13 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 01:55 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 08:57 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  As the landscape of college sports becomes less accomodating for independents, the terms of the ACC / Notre Dame deal may change when it's time to renew... in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it's "all in" at that point. (how many years are left?)

11, I believe. I am fairly sure the deal expires in 2027.

Heck, there may be a new (weakened/backfilled) or no ACC by then. It might be ND with more leverage then. Who knows?

I do, but I'll only tell Hokie Mark. If you want to know, you're going to have to PM him and ask by using the access code "Butterscotch Lollipop Stick"

I thought you said it was "scotch on the rocks with a twist"!

Did you get my joke?

(02-18-2016 04:11 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 02:38 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 02:13 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 01:55 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 08:57 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  As the landscape of college sports becomes less accomodating for independents, the terms of the ACC / Notre Dame deal may change when it's time to renew... in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it's "all in" at that point. (how many years are left?)

11, I believe. I am fairly sure the deal expires in 2027.

Heck, there may be a new (weakened/backfilled) or no ACC by then. It might be ND with more leverage then. Who knows?

I do, but I'll only tell Hokie Mark. If you want to know, you're going to have to PM him and ask by using the access code "Butterscotch Lollipop Stick"

I thought you said it was "scotch on the rocks with a twist"!

Did you get my joke?

Apparently not... of which I'm very grateful!

(02-18-2016 05:17 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 04:11 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 02:38 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 02:13 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 01:55 PM)TerryD Wrote:  11, I believe. I am fairly sure the deal expires in 2027.

Heck, there may be a new (weakened/backfilled) or no ACC by then. It might be ND with more leverage then. Who knows?

I do, but I'll only tell Hokie Mark. If you want to know, you're going to have to PM him and ask by using the access code "Butterscotch Lollipop Stick"

I thought you said it was "scotch on the rocks with a twist"!

Did you get my joke?

Apparently not... of which I'm very grateful!

http://blog.syracuse.com/orangefootball/...by_sy.html

See win #2.

(02-18-2016 06:12 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 05:17 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 04:11 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 02:38 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-18-2016 02:13 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  I do, but I'll only tell Hokie Mark. If you want to know, you're going to have to PM him and ask by using the access code "Butterscotch Lollipop Stick"

I thought you said it was "scotch on the rocks with a twist"!

Did you get my joke?

Apparently not... of which I'm very grateful!

http://blog.syracuse.com/orangefootball/...by_sy.html

See win #2.

Ah.

Quote:Collin Barber kicked a 45-yard field goal in the fourth quarter. After the loss, Tech coach Frank Beamer claimed Barber was aided by the use of an illegal butterscotch lollipop stick.

I don't know about the lollipop stick, but I'm sure Syracuse was aided by David Tyree.

It would do wonders for the ACC if Miami got dangerous again....

The ACC is trying to outlive the shadow of it's mediocrity, but fact is, there's A LOT to be excited about. FSU and Clemson are legitimate elite schools...

Louisville and North Carolina are trending upward fast...they both have good coaching staffs, and recruiting is getting better.

If Miami starts getting hot, this conference is going to get A LOT of attention. When the ACC added Miami in the early 2000s, they were banking on Miami staying strong...they've really yet to reap the rewards of that addition. It's going to happen though...Miami has too much history and tradition to stay down. Once recruiting gets going, Miami will rise fast...

The ACC needs better divisions too...Louisville was a great addition, and added an SEC feel to the Atlantic Division with Clemson and FSU. The overall structure is still weird and awkward though....

Also, keep an eye on Houston football....they are growing fast, and would be a great addition to the conference

Other than that, it's just a matter of waiting on the current contract, and getting a better deal next time.

(02-19-2016 10:01 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  It would do wonders for the ACC if Miami got dangerous again....

The ACC is trying to outlive the shadow of it's mediocrity, but fact is, there's A LOT to be excited about. FSU and Clemson are legitimate elite schools...

Louisville and North Carolina are trending upward fast...they both have good coaching staffs, and recruiting is getting better.

If Miami starts getting hot, this conference is going to get A LOT of attention. When the ACC added Miami in the early 2000s, they were banking on Miami staying strong...they've really yet to reap the rewards of that addition. It's going to happen though...Miami has too much history and tradition to stay down. Once recruiting gets going, Miami will rise fast...

The ACC needs better divisions too...Louisville was a great addition, and added an SEC feel to the Atlantic Division with Clemson and FSU. The overall structure is still weird and awkward though....

Also, keep an eye on Houston football....they are growing fast, and would be a great addition to the conference

Other than that, it's just a matter of waiting on the current contract, and getting a better deal next time.

It's unlikely in the current landscape that Miami will recapture anything near their glory days. However, the way you put it is probably right...they need to be dangerous.

They need to be able to win some high profile OOC games. Be ranked regularly in the top 25 and occasionally in the top 10. At least once every 2-3 years be half of a very high TV profile clash, either with FSU or someone else.

That is realistic, and would be a huge help. I just don't think they have the resources to compete at the elite level any more due to the arms race, but they now obviously have the resources to land a strong at least B-level head coach like Richt, and they have the talent in the vicinity to land top 20 recruiting classes, so they should be significantly better than what they've been.

(02-19-2016 11:04 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 10:01 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  It would do wonders for the ACC if Miami got dangerous again....

The ACC is trying to outlive the shadow of it's mediocrity, but fact is, there's A LOT to be excited about. FSU and Clemson are legitimate elite schools...

Louisville and North Carolina are trending upward fast...they both have good coaching staffs, and recruiting is getting better.

If Miami starts getting hot, this conference is going to get A LOT of attention. When the ACC added Miami in the early 2000s, they were banking on Miami staying strong...they've really yet to reap the rewards of that addition. It's going to happen though...Miami has too much history and tradition to stay down. Once recruiting gets going, Miami will rise fast...

The ACC needs better divisions too...Louisville was a great addition, and added an SEC feel to the Atlantic Division with Clemson and FSU. The overall structure is still weird and awkward though....

Also, keep an eye on Houston football....they are growing fast, and would be a great addition to the conference

Other than that, it's just a matter of waiting on the current contract, and getting a better deal next time.

It's unlikely in the current landscape that Miami will recapture anything near their glory days. However, the way you put it is probably right...they need to be dangerous.

They need to be able to win some high profile OOC games. Be ranked regularly in the top 25 and occasionally in the top 10. At least once every 2-3 years be half of a very high TV profile clash, either with FSU or someone else.

That is realistic, and would be a huge help. I just don't think they have the resources to compete at the elite level any more due to the arms race, but they now obviously have the resources to land a strong at least B-level head coach like Richt, and they have the talent in the vicinity to land top 20 recruiting classes, so they should be significantly better than what they've been.

high profile OOC wins? lol

The stepping stone to Miami's success is beating FSU...they won't be on the National stage again until they can do that

And of course they can recapture their past...they're located in prime recruiting territory, and they have a high profile National brand, despite poor attendance

The right coach could do wonders with Miami

And as far as the Arms Race....the SEC is highly overvalued. They are living off the peak they hit during the BCS era....were they as highly valued in the 90s? Do people really give a crap about seeing Mississippi State play Kentucky....no, they don't.

Take a look at the B1G West as well...no amount of money is going to reward those schools with markets and recruiting.

The SEC TV Network isn't the norm....it's an outlier based on recent success. But any true college football fan knows, that success is cyclical

ACC should consider becoming a 16 team men's basketball and football conference. Notre Dame has to decide all in or all out. If Notre Dame is in add one of Houston or Cincinnati. If ND is out add Houston and Cincinnati.

(02-19-2016 12:13 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  ACC should consider becoming a 16 team men's basketball and football conference. Notre Dame has to decide all in or all out. If Notre Dame is in add one of Houston or Cincinnati. If ND is out add Houston and Cincinnati.

That is a great way to reduce per team revenue......but why?

(02-19-2016 12:57 PM)nole Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 12:13 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  ACC should consider becoming a 16 team men's basketball and football conference. Notre Dame has to decide all in or all out. If Notre Dame is in add one of Houston or Cincinnati. If ND is out add Houston and Cincinnati.

That is a great way to reduce per team revenue......but why?

content, expanding the footprint into new markets, recruiting, eliminating potential Big XII targets

(02-19-2016 02:24 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 12:57 PM)nole Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 12:13 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  ACC should consider becoming a 16 team men's basketball and football conference. Notre Dame has to decide all in or all out. If Notre Dame is in add one of Houston or Cincinnati. If ND is out add Houston and Cincinnati.

That is a great way to reduce per team revenue......but why?

content, expanding the footprint into new markets, recruiting, eliminating potential Big XII targets

Those schools will only reduce the per team payout of the ACC.

Add any schools short of Notre Dame and the ACC won't last.

(02-19-2016 02:24 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 12:57 PM)nole Wrote:  

(02-19-2016 12:13 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  ACC should consider becoming a 16 team men's basketball and football conference. Notre Dame has to decide all in or all out. If Notre Dame is in add one of Houston or Cincinnati. If ND is out add Houston and Cincinnati.

That is a great way to reduce per team revenue......but why?

content, expanding the footprint into new markets, recruiting, eliminating potential Big XII targets

Eliminating Big 12 targets doesn't bridge the gap with the Big 10 or SEC. Way too much focus by ACC folks on the Big 12, and them on the ACC.

The Big 12, ACC and PAC are all in the same boat, and the ACC moving ahead of the Big 12 by a couple million doesn't make them any more on par with the B1G/SEC than the idea that the Big 12 is on par with the B1G/SEC today because they are a couple million ahead of the ACC.

(02-19-2016 12:13 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Notre Dame has to decide all in or all out.

They do?

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