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Notre Dame Hockey to leave Hockey East for the B1G?
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RE: Notre Dame Hockey to leave Hockey East for the B1G?
An interesting move, am surprised that the Big 10 is in favor of it but good for the Irish
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RE: Notre Dame Hockey to leave Hockey East for the B1G?
I think Notre Dame is more valuable for the B1G than Hockey East. I think they have like 6/16 teams in the field for NCAA's. Very regional league super good hockey. However, any way you chop it we are spread from Pennsylvania to Minnesota and maybe soon Arizona.
I thinks it's a great add, but of greater concern to me is what i can only describe as disgust from our marquee program in the league in Minnesota. They miss North Dakota and their fellow Minnesota schools with good reason. They aren't showing up to matches and are boycotting the conference tournament. Maybe if the league were more competitive it would be different but having a mediocre league has NOT helped the transition.

Here's hoping they add (as I alluded to in a previous post) Arizona State, North Dakota, & Minnesota Duluth.
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RE: Notre Dame Hockey to leave Hockey East for the B1G?
(03-22-2016 08:31 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  I think Notre Dame is more valuable for the B1G than Hockey East. I think they have like 6/16 teams in the field for NCAA's. Very regional league super good hockey. However, any way you chop it we are spread from Pennsylvania to Minnesota and maybe soon Arizona.
I thinks it's a great add, but of greater concern to me is what i can only describe as disgust from our marquee program in the league in Minnesota. They miss North Dakota and their fellow Minnesota schools with good reason. They aren't showing up to matches and are boycotting the conference tournament. Maybe if the league were more competitive it would be different but having a mediocre league has NOT helped the transition.

Here's hoping they add (as I alluded to in a previous post) Arizona State, North Dakota, & Minnesota Duluth.
We are deffinatly missing old rivals and do wish we would add north Dakota or umd but I think in a few years the fans will come around again I hope at least. I love being in the big ten for all other sports best conference in my eyes and wouldn't want to be anywhere else.
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Notre Dame in the Big Ten?!?!?! Let the rumors spread!
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RE: Notre Dame Hockey to leave Hockey East for the B1G?
(03-22-2016 08:31 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  I think Notre Dame is more valuable for the B1G than Hockey East. I think they have like 6/16 teams in the field for NCAA's. Very regional league super good hockey. However, any way you chop it we are spread from Pennsylvania to Minnesota and maybe soon Arizona.
I thinks it's a great add, but of greater concern to me is what i can only describe as disgust from our marquee program in the league in Minnesota. They miss North Dakota and their fellow Minnesota schools with good reason. They aren't showing up to matches and are boycotting the conference tournament. Maybe if the league were more competitive it would be different but having a mediocre league has NOT helped the transition.

Here's hoping they add (as I alluded to in a previous post) Arizona State, North Dakota, & Minnesota Duluth.

I think adding Notre Dame will help appease the Minnesota crowd. While not "local" as with say North Dakota or Minnesota-Duluth, they are regional and they have a very good program. It won't get them all the way there certainly, but it'll help. I also don't see how 7 is the number for 2017-2018. Someone else is being added or someone else in the conference is stepping up (Nebraska being the most likely candidate since their arena is built to handle hockey as well).
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RE: Notre Dame Hockey to leave Hockey East for the B1G?
It's a good move for both.
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RE: Notre Dame Hockey to leave Hockey East for the B1G?
(03-22-2016 09:27 PM)brista21 Wrote:  
(03-22-2016 08:31 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  I think Notre Dame is more valuable for the B1G than Hockey East. I think they have like 6/16 teams in the field for NCAA's. Very regional league super good hockey. However, any way you chop it we are spread from Pennsylvania to Minnesota and maybe soon Arizona.
I thinks it's a great add, but of greater concern to me is what i can only describe as disgust from our marquee program in the league in Minnesota. They miss North Dakota and their fellow Minnesota schools with good reason. They aren't showing up to matches and are boycotting the conference tournament. Maybe if the league were more competitive it would be different but having a mediocre league has NOT helped the transition.

Here's hoping they add (as I alluded to in a previous post) Arizona State, North Dakota, & Minnesota Duluth.

I think adding Notre Dame will help appease the Minnesota crowd. While not "local" as with say North Dakota or Minnesota-Duluth, they are regional and they have a very good program. It won't get them all the way there certainly, but it'll help. I also don't see how 7 is the number for 2017-2018. Someone else is being added or someone else in the conference is stepping up (Nebraska being the most likely candidate since their arena is built to handle hockey as well).

I would think the goal, if Nebraska adds hockey, will be for Nebraska to steal recruits who would go to North Dakota and in a relatively short time be able to field a competitive program. I bet the goal of B1G hockey eventually is to take some of the air out of the Minnesota Duluth and North Dakota type programs and become the dominant hockey league, at least in B1G country. The B1G Network will be a big selling point to recruits, giving parents the opportunity to watch their sons (and hockey daughters too) on TV when they play.
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(03-23-2016 01:06 AM)CintiFan Wrote:  
(03-22-2016 09:27 PM)brista21 Wrote:  
(03-22-2016 08:31 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  I think Notre Dame is more valuable for the B1G than Hockey East. I think they have like 6/16 teams in the field for NCAA's. Very regional league super good hockey. However, any way you chop it we are spread from Pennsylvania to Minnesota and maybe soon Arizona.
I thinks it's a great add, but of greater concern to me is what i can only describe as disgust from our marquee program in the league in Minnesota. They miss North Dakota and their fellow Minnesota schools with good reason. They aren't showing up to matches and are boycotting the conference tournament. Maybe if the league were more competitive it would be different but having a mediocre league has NOT helped the transition.

Here's hoping they add (as I alluded to in a previous post) Arizona State, North Dakota, & Minnesota Duluth.

I think adding Notre Dame will help appease the Minnesota crowd. While not "local" as with say North Dakota or Minnesota-Duluth, they are regional and they have a very good program. It won't get them all the way there certainly, but it'll help. I also don't see how 7 is the number for 2017-2018. Someone else is being added or someone else in the conference is stepping up (Nebraska being the most likely candidate since their arena is built to handle hockey as well).

I would think the goal, if Nebraska adds hockey, will be for Nebraska to steal recruits who would go to North Dakota and in a relatively short time be able to field a competitive program. I bet the goal of B1G hockey eventually is to take some of the air out of the Minnesota Duluth and North Dakota type programs and become the dominant hockey league, at least in B1G country. The B1G Network will be a big selling point to recruits, giving parents the opportunity to watch their sons (and hockey daughters too) on TV when they play.

Nebraska will never out recruit umd or north Dakota. We are self's are having a rough time doing it. Both teams are a step above all the big ten. At the moment.
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RE: Notre Dame Hockey to leave Hockey East for the B1G?
Rivalries are formed in three ways IMO. 1 proximity. 2. Sustained levels of excellence. 3. Ideological similarities ieArmy/Navy/Air Force or Academics. A fourth could be history but it is my opinion that matters only if at least one of the preceding exists.

The problem as I see it, is the History and brand name recognition of the big ten are not adequate to overcome to loss of the first two (proximity and excellence) for Minnesota. I do think thatNotre Dame is an excellent add but to Minnesotans the gain of Notre Dame is a small consolation prize compared to the loss of the WCHA.

What needs to happen is the league become extraordinarily competitive in a hurry. There is nothing that can be done about proximity other than adding teams close but there is something that can be done on the competitive front.
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I mean seriously what is stopping Ohio State from grabbing North Dakota's coach by paying him a couple million a year? The guy may not go for it but what's the use of having money if you're not gonna try to spend it wisely. As an aside, more pressing for Ohio State is building a hockey specific arena. The Schott is just too damned big for Hockey in Ohio. A 6000-8000 seat building with great sight lines and Penn State like amenities and atmosphere would do the trick but that would certainly run into the tens of millions to complete. But since we are spending money like water anyway... why not?
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(03-23-2016 01:39 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  Rivalries are formed in three ways IMO. 1 proximity. 2. Sustained levels of excellence. 3. Ideological similarities ieArmy/Navy/Air Force or Academics. A fourth could be history but it is my opinion that matters only if at least one of the preceding exists.

The problem as I see it, is the History and brand name recognition of the big ten are not adequate to overcome to loss of the first two (proximity and excellence) for Minnesota. I do think thatNotre Dame is an excellent add but to Minnesotans the gain of Notre Dame is a small consolation prize compared to the loss of the WCHA.

What needs to happen is the league become extraordinarily competitive in a hurry. There is nothing that can be done about proximity other than adding teams close but there is something that can be done on the competitive front.

I agree completely. The few gopher fans I've talked to have all been happy with Notre Dame being added but still would like to see another regional program added. If not north Dakota or umd then a Iowa or Illinois would be nice or even northwestern.
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(03-23-2016 01:59 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  I mean seriously what is stopping Ohio State from grabbing North Dakota's coach by paying him a couple million a year? The guy may not go for it but what's the use of having money if you're not gonna try to spend it wisely. As an aside, more pressing for Ohio State is building a hockey specific arena. The Schott is just too damned big for Hockey in Ohio. A 6000-8000 seat building with great sight lines and Penn State like amenities and atmosphere would do the trick but that would certainly run into the tens of millions to complete. But since we are spending money like water anyway... why not?

I wish school presidents thought like you but it is nice being better then Ohio state at something.
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B1G should offer hockey affiliate invitations to BU, RPI and North Dakota as well. Once schools like perhaps Rutgers and say, Maryland/Illinois/Northwestern get hockey in place, we'd have a really impressive conference spanning some great metro areas.
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(03-24-2016 12:44 PM)AntiG Wrote:  B1G should offer hockey affiliate invitations to BU, RPI and North Dakota as well. Once schools like perhaps Rutgers and say, Maryland/Illinois/Northwestern get hockey in place, we'd have a really impressive conference spanning some great metro areas.

Is there any talk of Rutgers moving up in hockey? I'd welcome it. I wish Iowa and Illinois would hurry and do it also.
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(03-24-2016 01:53 PM)gopher952 Wrote:  
(03-24-2016 12:44 PM)AntiG Wrote:  B1G should offer hockey affiliate invitations to BU, RPI and North Dakota as well. Once schools like perhaps Rutgers and say, Maryland/Illinois/Northwestern get hockey in place, we'd have a really impressive conference spanning some great metro areas.

Is there any talk of Rutgers moving up in hockey? I'd welcome it. I wish Iowa and Illinois would hurry and do it also.

Talk amongst fans, boosters, etc, but no action yet. Rutgers will likely first have to make some real money.
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(03-24-2016 12:44 PM)AntiG Wrote:  B1G should offer hockey affiliate invitations to BU, RPI and North Dakota as well. Once schools like perhaps Rutgers and say, Maryland/Illinois/Northwestern get hockey in place, we'd have a really impressive conference spanning some great metro areas.

I'm sorry if it feels like I'm singling you out but I see a lot of people suggest the Big Ten invite affiliates in hockey and/or other sports but I just can't get behind it. Johns Hopkins and now Notre Dame are clearly exceptional candidates that have great qualities beyond the sport(s) in which they are members of the Big Ten and I think the conference membership would lose some of it's luster and prestige if the conference started handing out affiliate membership to anyone but the very select few schools.
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No worries, I don't take offense. The reason I said North Dakota, Boston U, and RPI want because of random invited but because they are three of the ten best hockey programs in NCAA history.
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Boston u would be a great add but I don't know why they would accept and leave hockey east. I rather see Boston u then az st.
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I'm sure this isn't likely (as in as close to 0% without actually being 0%) but what if Notre Dame to the Big Ten in hockey is just a test for Notre Dame to get their alumni, fans, and faculty to test the waters with Big Ten membership with the idea that they could warm up and go further into a relationship with the Big Ten down the road when it is more acceptable to everyone? This may be a test balloon for something bigger down the road to see how the Notre Dame faithful would react.
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