(07-26-2016 02:41 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(07-26-2016 02:21 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-26-2016 01:45 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-26-2016 01:41 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-26-2016 01:37 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:   the hateful GOP.

What protections where there before, and show me how they were removed.

In Charlotte, LGBT people would have been protected had the GOP said.."Lets make it legal for people to fire them simply because they are Gay".

Spin it however you want, but NC's GOP (and ALL of it) decided to fully endorse that discrimination.

That's a lie. The GOP didn't wake up one day and decide to suddenly make it legal to fire someone for being gay as if it were illegal the day before.

Tell me Tom, do you ***** and moan as much about being able to be fired for being gay in Texas?

Actually, I blame the GOP for that in Texas too. There's plenty of advocacy of discrimination here. I left my first job in Houston because of it. Signed emails calling me names. Straight porn in my email. Nasty names directed at me. This was before the Oncale decision. I had no recourse at all. I can name several big companies here in Houston where if you are out, you're career is in serious peril or you've had your last promotion.

To pass a bill for the specific purpose of making something legal is the same thing as saying "Go right ahead...do it". And that is HB2

Fine, leave Texas. Go some place like California or Massachusetts.

To me, this is the dumbest yet most commonly used response in the Spin Room.

(07-26-2016 02:21 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-26-2016 01:45 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-26-2016 01:41 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-26-2016 01:37 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(07-26-2016 01:27 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  HB2 removed those protections and confirmed that it is LEGAL for a LGBT person to be fired for being Gay, or denied a hotel room or a restaurant meal for the same.

And North Carolina's hateful GOP could have passed a law banning that discrimination. But they didn't. And they banned municipalities from doing their own bills. And the GOP in Congress could have passed a bill to do the same. But they didn't.

If you think it never happens, then why does the GOP oppose making it illegal to do so.

the hateful GOP.

What protections where there before, and show me how they were removed.

In Charlotte, LGBT people would have been protected had the GOP said.."Lets make it legal for people to fire them simply because they are Gay".

Spin it however you want, but NC's GOP (and ALL of it) decided to fully endorse that discrimination.

That's a lie. The GOP didn't wake up one day and decide to suddenly make it legal to fire someone for being gay as if it were illegal the day before.

Tell me Tom, do you ***** and moan as much about being able to be fired for being gay in Texas?

Actually, I blame the GOP for that in Texas too. There's plenty of advocacy of discrimination here. I left my first job in Houston because of it. Signed emails calling me names. Straight porn in my email. Nasty names directed at me. This was before the Oncale decision. I had no recourse at all. I can name several big companies here in Houston where if you are out, you're career is in serious peril or you've had your last promotion.

To pass a bill for the specific purpose of making something legal is the same thing as saying "Go right ahead...do it". And that is HB2

Not the specific purpose of the bill.

(07-27-2016 06:35 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-26-2016 02:21 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-26-2016 01:45 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-26-2016 01:41 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-26-2016 01:37 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:   the hateful GOP.

What protections where there before, and show me how they were removed.

In Charlotte, LGBT people would have been protected had the GOP said.."Lets make it legal for people to fire them simply because they are Gay".

Spin it however you want, but NC's GOP (and ALL of it) decided to fully endorse that discrimination.

That's a lie. The GOP didn't wake up one day and decide to suddenly make it legal to fire someone for being gay as if it were illegal the day before.

Tell me Tom, do you ***** and moan as much about being able to be fired for being gay in Texas?

Actually, I blame the GOP for that in Texas too. There's plenty of advocacy of discrimination here. I left my first job in Houston because of it. Signed emails calling me names. Straight porn in my email. Nasty names directed at me. This was before the Oncale decision. I had no recourse at all. I can name several big companies here in Houston where if you are out, you're career is in serious peril or you've had your last promotion.

To pass a bill for the specific purpose of making something legal is the same thing as saying "Go right ahead...do it". And that is HB2

Not the specific purpose of the bill.

Stated purpose of the bill. To prevent discrimination laws covering LGBT persons from going into effect.

(07-27-2016 10:01 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 06:35 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-26-2016 02:21 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-26-2016 01:45 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-26-2016 01:41 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  In Charlotte, LGBT people would have been protected had the GOP said.."Lets make it legal for people to fire them simply because they are Gay".

Spin it however you want, but NC's GOP (and ALL of it) decided to fully endorse that discrimination.

That's a lie. The GOP didn't wake up one day and decide to suddenly make it legal to fire someone for being gay as if it were illegal the day before.

Tell me Tom, do you ***** and moan as much about being able to be fired for being gay in Texas?

Actually, I blame the GOP for that in Texas too. There's plenty of advocacy of discrimination here. I left my first job in Houston because of it. Signed emails calling me names. Straight porn in my email. Nasty names directed at me. This was before the Oncale decision. I had no recourse at all. I can name several big companies here in Houston where if you are out, you're career is in serious peril or you've had your last promotion.

To pass a bill for the specific purpose of making something legal is the same thing as saying "Go right ahead...do it". And that is HB2

Not the specific purpose of the bill.

Stated purpose of the bill. To prevent discrimination laws covering LGBT persons from going into effect.

Quote it from the bill then.

Quote:Hosting a NCAA regional in a state where the legislature has decided to demand that a post op Trans man born in Tennessee is required by law to use the ladies room isn't going to go over well. And since the Greensboro Coliseum is owned by the city, won't it be an issue? By the way, its very likely that it will be publicly tested. It won't make for good optics for the anti-Trans folks. Imagine cell phone cameras showing the humiliation of a MAN having to use the ladies room. The ugly questions of the other patrons. The ugly comments. The humiliation of having to go to the bathroom with a security detail. Its not going to look pretty. And what do you think the response of the students at the schools would be to that?

Since the bill was enacted, you'd think these videos would already be out there.

(07-27-2016 10:16 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

Quote:Hosting a NCAA regional in a state where the legislature has decided to demand that a post op Trans man born in Tennessee is required by law to use the ladies room isn't going to go over well. And since the Greensboro Coliseum is owned by the city, won't it be an issue? By the way, its very likely that it will be publicly tested. It won't make for good optics for the anti-Trans folks. Imagine cell phone cameras showing the humiliation of a MAN having to use the ladies room. The ugly questions of the other patrons. The ugly comments. The humiliation of having to go to the bathroom with a security detail. Its not going to look pretty. And what do you think the response of the students at the schools would be to that?

Since the bill was enacted, you'd think these videos would already be out there.

Be patient. There's a level of planning that is necessary. You can't just send someone to comply with HB2 in public without some sort of observers to prevent an assault. Imagine the danger a Trans man would face going into the ladies room at, say, the Greensboro Coliseum during an event right after some man's wife and daughter go in the restroom.

(07-27-2016 10:12 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 10:01 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 06:35 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-26-2016 02:21 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-26-2016 01:45 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  That's a lie. The GOP didn't wake up one day and decide to suddenly make it legal to fire someone for being gay as if it were illegal the day before.

Tell me Tom, do you ***** and moan as much about being able to be fired for being gay in Texas?

Actually, I blame the GOP for that in Texas too. There's plenty of advocacy of discrimination here. I left my first job in Houston because of it. Signed emails calling me names. Straight porn in my email. Nasty names directed at me. This was before the Oncale decision. I had no recourse at all. I can name several big companies here in Houston where if you are out, you're career is in serious peril or you've had your last promotion.

To pass a bill for the specific purpose of making something legal is the same thing as saying "Go right ahead...do it". And that is HB2

Not the specific purpose of the bill.

Stated purpose of the bill. To prevent discrimination laws covering LGBT persons from going into effect.

Quote it from the bill then.

Hey Tom, quote the bill.

(07-27-2016 10:36 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 10:12 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 10:01 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 06:35 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-26-2016 02:21 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Actually, I blame the GOP for that in Texas too. There's plenty of advocacy of discrimination here. I left my first job in Houston because of it. Signed emails calling me names. Straight porn in my email. Nasty names directed at me. This was before the Oncale decision. I had no recourse at all. I can name several big companies here in Houston where if you are out, you're career is in serious peril or you've had your last promotion.

To pass a bill for the specific purpose of making something legal is the same thing as saying "Go right ahead...do it". And that is HB2

Not the specific purpose of the bill.

Stated purpose of the bill. To prevent discrimination laws covering LGBT persons from going into effect.

Quote it from the bill then.

Hey Tom, quote the bill.

Don't need to. It removed the protections extended by Charlotte. http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/po...01147.html

Quote:PART III. PROTECTION OF RIGHTS IN EMPLOYMENT AND PUBLIC ACCOMMODATIONS

SECTION 3.1. G.S. 143-422.2 reads as rewritten:
"§ 143-422.2. Legislative declaration.
(a) It is the public policy of this State to protect and safeguard the right and opportunity
of all persons to seek, obtain and hold employment without discrimination or abridgement on
account of race, religion, color, national origin, age, biological sex or handicap by employers
which regularly employ 15 or more employees.

(b) It is recognized that the practice of denying employment opportunity and
discriminating in the terms of employment foments domestic strife and unrest, deprives the
State of the fullest utilization of its capacities for advancement and development, and
substantially and adversely affects the interests of employees, employers, and the public in
general.

© The General Assembly declares that the regulation of discriminatory practices in
employment is properly an issue of general, statewide concern, such that this Article and other
applicable provisions of the General Statutes supersede and preempt any ordinance, regulation,
resolution, or policy adopted or imposed by a unit of local government or other political
subdivision of the State that regulates or imposes any requirement upon an employer pertaining
to the regulation of discriminatory practices in employment, except such regulations applicable
to personnel employed by that body that are not otherwise in conflict with State law."

SECTION 3.2. G.S. 143-422.3 reads as rewritten:
"§ 143-422.3. Investigations; conciliations.
The Human Relations Commission in the Department of Administration shall have the
authority to receive charges of discrimination from the Equal Employment Opportunity
Commission pursuant to an agreement under Section 709(b) of Public Law 88-352, as amended
by Public Law 92-261, and investigate and conciliate charges of discrimination. Throughout
this process, the agency shall use its good offices to effect an amicable resolution of the charges
of discrimination. This Article does not create, and shall not be construed to create or support, a
statutory or common law private right of action, and no person may bring any civil action based
upon the public policy expressed herein."

(07-27-2016 10:39 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 10:36 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 10:12 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 10:01 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 06:35 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Not the specific purpose of the bill.

Stated purpose of the bill. To prevent discrimination laws covering LGBT persons from going into effect.

Quote it from the bill then.

Hey Tom, quote the bill.

Don't need to. It removed the protections extended by Charlotte. http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/po...01147.html

Stop changing the subject.

(07-27-2016 10:01 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Stated purpose of the bill. To prevent discrimination laws covering LGBT persons from going into effect.

Where is that stated in HB2?

(07-27-2016 10:42 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 10:39 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 10:36 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 10:12 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 10:01 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Stated purpose of the bill. To prevent discrimination laws covering LGBT persons from going into effect.

Quote it from the bill then.

Hey Tom, quote the bill.

Don't need to. It removed the protections extended by Charlotte. http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/po...01147.html

Stop changing the subject.

(07-27-2016 10:01 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Stated purpose of the bill. To prevent discrimination laws covering LGBT persons from going into effect.

Where is that stated in HB2?

The law has as its primary purpose to enable and sustain firing, not hiring persons in NC solely on the basis of their sexual orientation. And to provide for protection for lodging establishments and restaurants that refuse to serve LGBT persons.

I'm not stupid. And neither are you. Just because they call the bill B, doesn't make the bill B. What did the bill do?

And they certainly didn't make any move to reinstate those protections in the special session. They did this on purpose. And you know it, I know it, and everyone else with half a brain does too.

I posted section III of the bill from the NCGC website. Make your own conclusions but it does seem to be silent on sexual orientation.

(07-27-2016 10:47 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 10:42 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 10:39 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 10:36 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 10:12 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Quote it from the bill then.

Hey Tom, quote the bill.

Don't need to. It removed the protections extended by Charlotte. http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/po...01147.html

Stop changing the subject.

(07-27-2016 10:01 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Stated purpose of the bill. To prevent discrimination laws covering LGBT persons from going into effect.

Where is that stated in HB2?

The law has as its primary purpose to enable and sustain firing, not hiring persons in NC solely on the basis of their sexual orientation. And to provide for protection for lodging establishments and restaurants that refuse to serve LGBT persons.

I'm not stupid. And neither are you. Just because they call the bill B, doesn't make the bill B. What did the bill do?

And they certainly didn't make any move to reinstate those protections in the special session. They did this on purpose. And you know it, I know it, and everyone else with half a brain does too.

So you admit that what you claim is in fact NOT the stated purpose of the bill.

(07-27-2016 10:51 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 10:47 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 10:42 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 10:39 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 10:36 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Hey Tom, quote the bill.

Don't need to. It removed the protections extended by Charlotte. http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/po...01147.html

Stop changing the subject.

(07-27-2016 10:01 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Stated purpose of the bill. To prevent discrimination laws covering LGBT persons from going into effect.

Where is that stated in HB2?

The law has as its primary purpose to enable and sustain firing, not hiring persons in NC solely on the basis of their sexual orientation. And to provide for protection for lodging establishments and restaurants that refuse to serve LGBT persons.

I'm not stupid. And neither are you. Just because they call the bill B, doesn't make the bill B. What did the bill do?

And they certainly didn't make any move to reinstate those protections in the special session. They did this on purpose. And you know it, I know it, and everyone else with half a brain does too.

So you admit that what you claim is in fact NOT the stated purpose of the bill.

Removing the sexual orientation provisions of the Charlotte law without mentioning the words 'sexual orientation' does not change the purpose of the bill. Which was to make it legal to fire people for being Gay and to turn LGBT people away from hotels and restaurants.

Furthermore, if it was an unintended consequence, they could have fixed it.. They fixed the issue with the protections for straight people, but not for LGBT people.

(07-27-2016 02:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 10:51 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 10:47 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 10:42 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 10:39 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Don't need to. It removed the protections extended by Charlotte. http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/po...01147.html

Stop changing the subject.

(07-27-2016 10:01 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Stated purpose of the bill. To prevent discrimination laws covering LGBT persons from going into effect.

Where is that stated in HB2?

The law has as its primary purpose to enable and sustain firing, not hiring persons in NC solely on the basis of their sexual orientation. And to provide for protection for lodging establishments and restaurants that refuse to serve LGBT persons.

I'm not stupid. And neither are you. Just because they call the bill B, doesn't make the bill B. What did the bill do?

And they certainly didn't make any move to reinstate those protections in the special session. They did this on purpose. And you know it, I know it, and everyone else with half a brain does too.

So you admit that what you claim is in fact NOT the stated purpose of the bill.

Removing the sexual orientation provisions of the Charlotte law without mentioning the words 'sexual orientation' does not change the purpose of the bill. Which was to make it legal to fire people for being Gay and to turn LGBT people away from hotels and restaurants.

Furthermore, if it was an unintended consequence, they could have fixed it.. They fixed the issue with the protections for straight people, but not for LGBT people.

False, but by all means keep repeating the lie until you are blue in the face.

NC laws are in line with federal law and that of 28 other states.


Your not even worth talking to anymore if you cant be more truthful than you are.

Quote:German investment giant Deutsche Bank, which halted plans to expand its technology operations in Cary over the passage of House Bill 2, is moving ahead with plans to expand in Jacksonville, Fla.

The banking giant confirms it's ready to invest at least $5 million into its Jacksonville operation. That’s as representatives say the bank is holding firm to an April statement that it’s freezing plans to create 250 new jobs in Cary.

“The Bank’s decision is due to state-wide legislation enacted in North Carolina on March 23 that invalidated existing protections of the rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender fellow citizens in some municipalities and prevents municipalities from adopting such protections in the future,” that statement reads.

Deutsche Bank (NYSE: DB), which employs about 900 people at a software application development center in Cary, had told the state of North Carolina in late 2015 that it would be adding 250 jobs through 2017 in exchange for an incentive package worth more than $3 million.

Last October, months before HB2 was passed in special session, a similar expansion announcement was unveiled in Jacksonville. An agreement with that city involved a pledge by Deutsche Bank to create 350 new jobs by the end of 2017 and to invest $23 million in improvements and technology infrastructure.

But the company has disclosed other factors in recent months that have impacted the headcount. Deutsche Bank is in the midst of an aggressive restructuring plan, one that has led the company to book 164 million Euros for restructuring and severance in its most recent quarter — about $180 million in U.S. dollars, according to an earnings conference call this week.

According to bank representatives, impacted jobs were primarily in operations, and not the technology-focused departments centered in Cary and Jacksonville — which would mean cuts primarily hit offices in New York, London and Frankfurt. CEO John Cryan said this week that expanding its digital solutions portfolio remained a strategic imperative for the company.

What is funny is that JAX has no protections based on sexual preference or gender identity. But, we will take the expansion.

(07-27-2016 04:20 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

Quote:German investment giant Deutsche Bank, which halted plans to expand its technology operations in Cary over the passage of House Bill 2, is moving ahead with plans to expand in Jacksonville, Fla.

The banking giant confirms it's ready to invest at least $5 million into its Jacksonville operation. That’s as representatives say the bank is holding firm to an April statement that it’s freezing plans to create 250 new jobs in Cary.

“The Bank’s decision is due to state-wide legislation enacted in North Carolina on March 23 that invalidated existing protections of the rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender fellow citizens in some municipalities and prevents municipalities from adopting such protections in the future,” that statement reads.

Deutsche Bank (NYSE: DB), which employs about 900 people at a software application development center in Cary, had told the state of North Carolina in late 2015 that it would be adding 250 jobs through 2017 in exchange for an incentive package worth more than $3 million.

Last October, months before HB2 was passed in special session, a similar expansion announcement was unveiled in Jacksonville. An agreement with that city involved a pledge by Deutsche Bank to create 350 new jobs by the end of 2017 and to invest $23 million in improvements and technology infrastructure.

But the company has disclosed other factors in recent months that have impacted the headcount. Deutsche Bank is in the midst of an aggressive restructuring plan, one that has led the company to book 164 million Euros for restructuring and severance in its most recent quarter — about $180 million in U.S. dollars, according to an earnings conference call this week.

According to bank representatives, impacted jobs were primarily in operations, and not the technology-focused departments centered in Cary and Jacksonville — which would mean cuts primarily hit offices in New York, London and Frankfurt. CEO John Cryan said this week that expanding its digital solutions portfolio remained a strategic imperative for the company.

What is funny is that JAX has no protections based on sexual preference or gender identity. But, we will take the expansion.

But Jax can pass those protections, just like communities from Miami to Pensacola already have. Raleigh cannot pass those protections.

(07-27-2016 02:44 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 02:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 10:51 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 10:47 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 10:42 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Stop changing the subject.



Where is that stated in HB2?

The law has as its primary purpose to enable and sustain firing, not hiring persons in NC solely on the basis of their sexual orientation. And to provide for protection for lodging establishments and restaurants that refuse to serve LGBT persons.

I'm not stupid. And neither are you. Just because they call the bill B, doesn't make the bill B. What did the bill do?

And they certainly didn't make any move to reinstate those protections in the special session. They did this on purpose. And you know it, I know it, and everyone else with half a brain does too.

So you admit that what you claim is in fact NOT the stated purpose of the bill.

Removing the sexual orientation provisions of the Charlotte law without mentioning the words 'sexual orientation' does not change the purpose of the bill. Which was to make it legal to fire people for being Gay and to turn LGBT people away from hotels and restaurants.

Furthermore, if it was an unintended consequence, they could have fixed it.. They fixed the issue with the protections for straight people, but not for LGBT people.

False, but by all means keep repeating the lie until you are blue in the face.

NC laws are in line with federal law and that of 28 other states.


Your not even worth talking to anymore if you cant be more truthful than you are.

If I call a bill 'the freedom act' and then use the language of the bill to take away everyone's guns, even if the bill doesn't mention the word gun, its still a bill to take away everyone's guns.

Its not what the bill is called, its what it does. Regardless of how people spin it. But for this bill, Charlottonians would enjoy protection from anti-Gay discrimination in employment, housing, hotel rooms, and meals.

This is no different.

So there is over 600 posts here and you could have just called it the Anti Midget Bill because there are
discrimination protections for midgets or really short people.

(07-27-2016 04:33 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  So there is over 600 posts here and you could have just called it the Anti Midget Bill because there are
discrimination protections for midgets or really short people.

Actually they are covered by Federal law. And possibly by NC law.

HB2 was designed to remove all of the protections passed by the Charlotte City Council. And that bill mentioned gender identity and sexual orientation.

And designed to prevent a city from passing a minimum wage law

And designed to prevent lawsuits for any reason for discrimination. Since restored for straights only.

And to humiliate Trans persons.