(04-19-2016 03:30 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(04-19-2016 03:21 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  Potential of a $1.5 billion deal just for half of the rights.

So that is north of 17 Million per university, and the Big has another chunk on the bidding block.

High 40's in the millions per school is what this will end up as.

As Andy Staples points out, this news is further evidence (as if we needed it) that Big Ten officials are lying if they claim the Big Ten will leave D-I when courts permit players to be paid.

Quote:Andy Staples
‏@Andy_Staples

Big Ten isn't going DIII no matter what courts do. Its schools are about to become very successful sellers of television shows.

1:33 PM - 19 Apr 2016

I refuse to see how any of the G5 leagues benefit from this. The P5 leagues are on a campaign to muscle them down to true FCS level by weight of economic disparity. Only the strongest survive. Programs in the AAC who probably think they are above the fray are going to get pulled down with the rest.

(04-19-2016 03:43 PM)Wedge Wrote:  As Andy Staples points out, this news is further evidence (as if we needed it) that Big Ten officials are lying if they claim the Big Ten will leave D-I when courts permit players to be paid.

Quote:Andy Staples
‏@Andy_Staples

Big Ten isn't going DIII no matter what courts do. Its schools are about to become very successful sellers of television shows.

1:33 PM - 19 Apr 2016

Maybe not D3 but a D4 (D3 school with bigger budgets and fans). I don't have any doubt that the Big 10 and Pac schools will still have any part of paying athletes.
My opinion still stands that they'll still get TV contract like this even if the PAC and Big 10 form their own D4 and play in the Rose Bowl..

(04-19-2016 03:20 PM)stever20 Wrote:  one thing as well- this isn't the manna from Heaven for FS1.
25 football games- half would be games shown on Big Fox. So maybe 1 a week for FS1.

But that's really all FS1 wants or needs. That lets them run Big 10-Big 12-PAC back-to-back-to-back on at least a half-dozen Saturdays a year. That's what the Big Ten package means for FS1.

FS1 wants to be ESPN, yes. But they're not ESPN yet, and a big factor there is that ESPN's ecosystem includes ESPN2 and ESPN-U as live options. And over time, I think ESPN's trying to bring ESPNews into the mix on a more regular basis because, why wouldn't they.

Fox has to be a little more careful to only spend money on what they can show in a profitable way.

Quote:50 basketball games- we're talking when you get all the OOC games maybe like 2-3 a week during conference season for FS1.

(04-19-2016 03:41 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  

(04-19-2016 03:30 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(04-19-2016 03:21 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  Potential of a $1.5 billion deal just for half of the rights.

So that is north of 17 Million per university, and the Big has another chunk on the bidding block.

High 40's in the millions per school is what this will end up as.

What is the Big N paying member schools?

(04-19-2016 03:50 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(04-19-2016 03:43 PM)Wedge Wrote:  As Andy Staples points out, this news is further evidence (as if we needed it) that Big Ten officials are lying if they claim the Big Ten will leave D-I when courts permit players to be paid.

Quote:Andy Staples
‏@Andy_Staples

Big Ten isn't going DIII no matter what courts do. Its schools are about to become very successful sellers of television shows.

1:33 PM - 19 Apr 2016

Maybe not D3 but a D4 (D3 school with bigger budgets and fans). I don't have any doubt that the Big 10 and Pac schools will still have any part of paying athletes.
My opinion still stands that they'll still get TV contract like this even if the PAC and Big 10 form their own D4 and play in the Rose Bowl..

I'm as big of a Big Ten guy as you'll find. On this particular point, the Big Ten consists of a bunch of hypocritical liars. If/when college athletes need to be paid, the Big Ten will follow the free market and do so.

(04-19-2016 03:41 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  

(04-19-2016 03:30 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(04-19-2016 03:21 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  Potential of a $1.5 billion deal just for half of the rights.

So that is north of 17 Million per university, and the Big has another chunk on the bidding block.

High 40's in the millions per school is what this will end up as.

I would think that it would be doubtful that they would get an equal offer for the second half of their TV rights. Fox would have T1 rights. Fox needed the B1G brand. I don't think it will be high 40's, probably high 30's to low 40's range. That's still a huge chunk of change.

Fox doesn't have T1 rights. It sounds very possible the 2nd group will be just as equal as 1st group. Very similar to what the Pac 12 has.

(04-19-2016 03:34 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Hmmm....Boren? Boren?

Pac 12??? Deal will expire same year Pac 12 deal expires? Hostile takeover in 2022-23?

(04-19-2016 04:17 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Fox doesn't have T1 rights. It sounds very possible the 2nd group will be just as equal as 1st group. Very similar to what the Pac 12 has.

That was the logical thing for the Big 10 to do and what I expected. It will probably be shared very similar to Pac 12 and Big 12.

(04-19-2016 03:35 PM)YNot Wrote:  The AAC, MWC, and BYU win because of this.

All their contracts expire around 2018-2019 time frame. ESPN will be in need of content, even if it still gets the other half of the B1G's available content. And either CBS and NBC will outbid ESPN for the rest of the B1G content, or they will be able to get some decent AAC/MWC/BYU content at a comparative bargain price - which will still be a nice raise for the AAC/MWC/BYU schools.

ESPN barely has space for what it has now. Maybe it means space on ESPNU, but not ESPN or ESPN2.

(04-19-2016 03:35 PM)YNot Wrote:  The AAC, MWC, and BYU win because of this.

All their contracts expire around 2018-2019 time frame. ESPN will be in need of content, even if it still gets the other half of the B1G's available content. And either CBS and NBC will outbid ESPN for the rest of the B1G content, or they will be able to get some decent AAC/MWC/BYU content at a comparative bargain price - which will still be a nice raise for the AAC/MWC/BYU schools.

Teehee...The Bargain Bin.

(04-19-2016 04:15 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(04-19-2016 03:41 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  

(04-19-2016 03:30 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(04-19-2016 03:21 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  Potential of a $1.5 billion deal just for half of the rights.

So that is north of 17 Million per university, and the Big has another chunk on the bidding block.

High 40's in the millions per school is what this will end up as.

I would think that it would be doubtful that they would get an equal offer for the second half of their TV rights. Fox would have T1 rights. Fox needed the B1G brand. I don't think it will be high 40's, probably high 30's to low 40's range. That's still a huge chunk of change.

This tweet will put it into context.

Jon WilnerVerified account
‏@wilnerhotline
B1G would get $250M/yr from Fox for half of its 1st tier rights. Pac12 gets $250M/yr from Fox and ESPN for ALL of its 1st tier rights

I count 58 B1G games in 2015 on ABC or the ESPN networks. 22 on ABC, 17 on ESPN or ESPN2.

That's a lot of inventory to lose and replace. Especially the 22 quality games on ABC.

ESPN often had 2 B1G games on ABC. ESPN and ESPN2 also often had 2 B1G games.

ABC - 22 games
Week 1 - Wisconsin/Alabama, BYU/Nebraska
Week 2 - Oregon/MSU, Oregon St./Michigan
Week 3 - NIU/Ohio St., Air Force/MSU
Week 4 - WMU/Ohio St., BYU/Michigan
Week 5 - Ohio St./Indiana
Week 6 - Wisconsin/Nebraska
Week 7 - PSU/Ohio St., Iowa/Northwestern
Week 8 - Ohio St./Rutgers, Indiana/MSU
Week 9 - Maryland/Iowa
Week 10 - Minnesota/OSU
Week 11 - Michigan/Indiana, OSU/Illinois
Week 12 - MSU/Ohio St., Michigan/Penn St.
Week 13 - Iowa/Nebraska, Michigan/Ohio St.

ESPN - 17 games
Week 1 - Stanford/Northwestern, TCU/Minnesota
Week 2 - Buffalo/Penn St.
Week 5- Iowa/Wisconsin, Purdue/MSU
Week 6 - Indiana/PSU, Illinois/Iowa
Week 7 - MSU/Michigan, Nebraska/Minnesota
Week 8 - Northwestern/Nebraska, PSU/Maryland
Week 9 - Illinois/PSU
Week 10 - MSU/Nebraska, Iowa/Indiana
Week 11 - Maryland/MSU
Week 12 - Purdue/Iowa
Week 13 - Penn St./Michigan St.

ESPNU/News - 19 games
Week 1 - SIU/Indiana, Norfolk/Rutgers, Richmond/Maryland
Week 2 - EIU/Northwestern, Ind St./Purdue, Miami/Wisconsin, WSU/Rutgers
Week 3 - WKU/Indiana, USF/Maryland, VA Tech/Purdue
Week 4 - MTU/Illinois, N Texas/Iowa, So Miss/Nebraska
Week 5 - Army/PSU
Week 6 - Minnesota/Purdue
Week 9 - Nebraska/Purdue
Week 10 - PSU/Northwestern
Week 12 - Illinois/Minnesota
Week 13 - Northwestern/Illinois

(04-19-2016 04:51 PM)YNot Wrote:  I count 58 B1G games in 2015 on ABC or the ESPN networks. 22 on ABC, 17 on ESPN or ESPN2.

That's a lot of inventory to lose and replace. Especially the 22 quality games on ABC.

ESPN often had 2 B1G games on ABC. ESPN and ESPN2 also often had 2 B1G games.

ABC - 22 games
Week 1 - Wisconsin/Alabama, BYU/Nebraska
Week 2 - Oregon/MSU, Oregon St./Michigan
Week 3 - NIU/Ohio St., Air Force/MSU
Week 4 - WMU/Ohio St., BYU/Michigan
Week 5 - Ohio St./Indiana
Week 6 - Wisconsin/Nebraska
Week 7 - PSU/Ohio St., Iowa/Northwestern
Week 8 - Ohio St./Rutgers, Indiana/MSU
Week 9 - Maryland/Iowa
Week 10 - Minnesota/OSU
Week 11 - Michigan/Indiana, OSU/Illinois
Week 12 - MSU/Ohio St., Michigan/Penn St.
Week 13 - Iowa/Nebraska, Michigan/Ohio St.

ESPN - 17 games
Week 1 - Stanford/Northwestern, TCU/Minnesota
Week 2 - Buffalo/Penn St.
Week 5- Iowa/Wisconsin, Purdue/MSU
Week 6 - Indiana/PSU, Illinois/Iowa
Week 7 - MSU/Michigan, Nebraska/Minnesota
Week 8 - Northwestern/Nebraska, PSU/Maryland
Week 9 - Illinois/PSU
Week 10 - MSU/Nebraska, Iowa/Indiana
Week 11 - Maryland/MSU
Week 12 - Purdue/Iowa
Week 13 - Penn St./Michigan St.

ESPNU/News - 19 games
Week 1 - SIU/Indiana, Norfolk/Rutgers, Richmond/Maryland
Week 2 - EIU/Northwestern, Ind St./Purdue, Miami/Wisconsin, WSU/Rutgers
Week 3 - WKU/Indiana, USF/Maryland, VA Tech/Purdue
Week 4 - MTU/Illinois, N Texas/Iowa, So Miss/Nebraska
Week 5 - Army/PSU
Week 6 - Minnesota/Purdue
Week 9 - Nebraska/Purdue
Week 10 - PSU/Northwestern
Week 12 - Illinois/Minnesota
Week 13 - Northwestern/Illinois

This is something that I constantly point out to those who say, "ESPN will just rely on the SEC and ACC if they lose the Big Ten." The Big Ten is EXTREMELY important to the ESPN college sports lineup and especially the ABC portion. That's why I still don't buy for a second that ESPN and the Big Ten will completely part ways. I've said for years and years that the most likely outcome is a split of the rights between Fox and ESPN... and that's still the most likely outcome here.

The one caveat is whether the Big Ten starts carving out some small-but-high-profile packages from that second half of rights to sell to one network and then sell the rest of the rights to someone else. For instance, the Big Ten can still conceivably sell a brand new 12-game prime time package to ANY of the networks left, whether CBS, NBC, ABC/ESPN or Turner. The current CBS basketball package is out there, too. I've long said that the Big Ten is approaching its TV rights negotiations just like the NFL.

I think ESPN was skeptical about both the Big Ten signing any deal with Fox and the thought that Fox would pay up a huge amount (since Fox is quietly suffering through the exact same cord cutting issues that ESPN is right now)... and bet wrong (just as they bet wrong on the Big Ten Network 10 years ago). That's likely going to backfire big-time since other players like CBS, NBC and Turner can certainly drive up the prices on portions of the Big Ten package (which will drive up the price on ESPN overall to retain anything).

This is a chart I put together from various sources.
Game distribution by conference
CBS/NBC ABC/ESPN Fox/FS1/FS2 Local network Syndication
Big 10 0 41 0 57 0

SEC 15 38 0 45 0

Big 12 0 30 30 10 0

Pac 12 0 22 22 40 0

ACC 0 67 0 0 31

Notre Dame 7 0 0 0 0


22 198 52 152 31

MAC 0 11 0 0 0

AAC 13 59 0 0 0

CUSA 0 1 20 0 30

Sun Belt 0 7 0 0 5

MWC 0 22 0 0 0

Independent 6 6 0 0 0



41 304 72 152 66

(04-19-2016 05:06 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(04-19-2016 04:51 PM)YNot Wrote:  I count 58 B1G games in 2015 on ABC or the ESPN networks. 22 on ABC, 17 on ESPN or ESPN2.

That's a lot of inventory to lose and replace. Especially the 22 quality games on ABC.

ESPN often had 2 B1G games on ABC. ESPN and ESPN2 also often had 2 B1G games.

ABC - 22 games
Week 1 - Wisconsin/Alabama, BYU/Nebraska
Week 2 - Oregon/MSU, Oregon St./Michigan
Week 3 - NIU/Ohio St., Air Force/MSU
Week 4 - WMU/Ohio St., BYU/Michigan
Week 5 - Ohio St./Indiana
Week 6 - Wisconsin/Nebraska
Week 7 - PSU/Ohio St., Iowa/Northwestern
Week 8 - Ohio St./Rutgers, Indiana/MSU
Week 9 - Maryland/Iowa
Week 10 - Minnesota/OSU
Week 11 - Michigan/Indiana, OSU/Illinois
Week 12 - MSU/Ohio St., Michigan/Penn St.
Week 13 - Iowa/Nebraska, Michigan/Ohio St.

ESPN - 17 games
Week 1 - Stanford/Northwestern, TCU/Minnesota
Week 2 - Buffalo/Penn St.
Week 5- Iowa/Wisconsin, Purdue/MSU
Week 6 - Indiana/PSU, Illinois/Iowa
Week 7 - MSU/Michigan, Nebraska/Minnesota
Week 8 - Northwestern/Nebraska, PSU/Maryland
Week 9 - Illinois/PSU
Week 10 - MSU/Nebraska, Iowa/Indiana
Week 11 - Maryland/MSU
Week 12 - Purdue/Iowa
Week 13 - Penn St./Michigan St.

ESPNU/News - 19 games
Week 1 - SIU/Indiana, Norfolk/Rutgers, Richmond/Maryland
Week 2 - EIU/Northwestern, Ind St./Purdue, Miami/Wisconsin, WSU/Rutgers
Week 3 - WKU/Indiana, USF/Maryland, VA Tech/Purdue
Week 4 - MTU/Illinois, N Texas/Iowa, So Miss/Nebraska
Week 5 - Army/PSU
Week 6 - Minnesota/Purdue
Week 9 - Nebraska/Purdue
Week 10 - PSU/Northwestern
Week 12 - Illinois/Minnesota
Week 13 - Northwestern/Illinois

This is something that I constantly point out to those who say, "ESPN will just rely on the SEC and ACC if they lose the Big Ten." The Big Ten is EXTREMELY important to the ESPN college sports lineup and especially the ABC portion. That's why I still don't buy for a second that ESPN and the Big Ten will completely part ways. I've said for years and years that the most likely outcome is a split of the rights between Fox and ESPN... and that's still the most likely outcome here.

The one caveat is whether the Big Ten starts carving out some small-but-high-profile packages from that second half of rights to sell to one network and then sell the rest of the rights to someone else. For instance, the Big Ten can still conceivably sell a brand new 12-game prime time package to ANY of the networks left, whether CBS, NBC, ABC/ESPN or Turner. The current CBS basketball package is out there, too. I've long said that the Big Ten is approaching its TV rights negotiations just like the NFL.

Wasn't there an article regarding where the Big 10 may do a new way of a TV package where they'll parcel out a game here and there to whoever wants it that week rather than a set package as before?

So perhaps, they get 1/2 of a package that gets a set amount money (Fox deal) and the 2nd half is undetermined depending on how much any network would bid out for a game that week.

(04-19-2016 05:06 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(04-19-2016 04:51 PM)YNot Wrote:  I count 58 B1G games in 2015 on ABC or the ESPN networks. 22 on ABC, 17 on ESPN or ESPN2.

That's a lot of inventory to lose and replace. Especially the 22 quality games on ABC.

ESPN often had 2 B1G games on ABC. ESPN and ESPN2 also often had 2 B1G games.

ABC - 22 games
Week 1 - Wisconsin/Alabama, BYU/Nebraska
Week 2 - Oregon/MSU, Oregon St./Michigan
Week 3 - NIU/Ohio St., Air Force/MSU
Week 4 - WMU/Ohio St., BYU/Michigan
Week 5 - Ohio St./Indiana
Week 6 - Wisconsin/Nebraska
Week 7 - PSU/Ohio St., Iowa/Northwestern
Week 8 - Ohio St./Rutgers, Indiana/MSU
Week 9 - Maryland/Iowa
Week 10 - Minnesota/OSU
Week 11 - Michigan/Indiana, OSU/Illinois
Week 12 - MSU/Ohio St., Michigan/Penn St.
Week 13 - Iowa/Nebraska, Michigan/Ohio St.

ESPN - 17 games
Week 1 - Stanford/Northwestern, TCU/Minnesota
Week 2 - Buffalo/Penn St.
Week 5- Iowa/Wisconsin, Purdue/MSU
Week 6 - Indiana/PSU, Illinois/Iowa
Week 7 - MSU/Michigan, Nebraska/Minnesota
Week 8 - Northwestern/Nebraska, PSU/Maryland
Week 9 - Illinois/PSU
Week 10 - MSU/Nebraska, Iowa/Indiana
Week 11 - Maryland/MSU
Week 12 - Purdue/Iowa
Week 13 - Penn St./Michigan St.

ESPNU/News - 19 games
Week 1 - SIU/Indiana, Norfolk/Rutgers, Richmond/Maryland
Week 2 - EIU/Northwestern, Ind St./Purdue, Miami/Wisconsin, WSU/Rutgers
Week 3 - WKU/Indiana, USF/Maryland, VA Tech/Purdue
Week 4 - MTU/Illinois, N Texas/Iowa, So Miss/Nebraska
Week 5 - Army/PSU
Week 6 - Minnesota/Purdue
Week 9 - Nebraska/Purdue
Week 10 - PSU/Northwestern
Week 12 - Illinois/Minnesota
Week 13 - Northwestern/Illinois

This is something that I constantly point out to those who say, "ESPN will just rely on the SEC and ACC if they lose the Big Ten." The Big Ten is EXTREMELY important to the ESPN college sports lineup and especially the ABC portion. That's why I still don't buy for a second that ESPN and the Big Ten will completely part ways. I've said for years and years that the most likely outcome is a split of the rights between Fox and ESPN... and that's still the most likely outcome here.

The one caveat is whether the Big Ten starts carving out some small-but-high-profile packages from that second half of rights to sell to one network and then sell the rest of the rights to someone else. For instance, the Big Ten can still conceivably sell a brand new 12-game prime time package to ANY of the networks left, whether CBS, NBC, ABC/ESPN or Turner. The current CBS basketball package is out there, too. I've long said that the Big Ten is approaching its TV rights negotiations just like the NFL.

I think ESPN was skeptical about both the Big Ten signing any deal with Fox and the thought that Fox would pay up a huge amount (since Fox is quietly suffering through the exact same cord cutting issues that ESPN is right now)... and bet wrong (just as they bet wrong on the Big Ten Network 10 years ago). That's likely going to backfire big-time since other players like CBS, NBC and Turner can certainly drive up the prices on portions of the Big Ten package (which will drive up the price on ESPN overall to retain anything).

This is exactly why I have said the cord cutting issue doesn't mean sports value will plummet. ESPN makes a TON of money on these sports rights and has become the most valuable network precisely because of their huge catalogue of sports rights. Just because ESPN is no longer hitting the profitability goals defined by Disney doesn't mean any other sports network (NBC, Fox, CBS, etc) wouldn't give almost anything for their sports networks to be anywhere near as profitable as ESPN. So the idea that ESPN can get away with just low balling these sports properties is just false. All that will happen is that the other networks will see it as their opening to increase the values of their own sports networks by accumulating the same properties that give ESPN is pricing power. It also ends the silly notion that CUSA's contract disaster has anything to do with the overall market---its conference specific and is simply represents a revaluing of CUSA's newly rebuilt membership.

Since it doesn't format very well, ESPN has 198 P5 and 304 total FBS games.
Fox has roughly 50 P5, 72 total.
The various conference and school networks have 152-all P5.

ESPN wants the Big 10. But they don't "need" them in order to fill their schedule. They have sold some of their G5 inventory to the CBS sports network. The latest writeup I saw on their contract calls for up to 41 total Big 10 games with up to 17 on ABC and up to 25 on ESPN. That may have been before expansion so that may have changed.