(05-17-2016 08:05 AM)MplsBison Wrote: Latah, OK I understand the situation. Obviously nothing that can be changed in time to put a stop to this nonsense. Probably would require a change to the state constitution or something else equally unachievable in today's political climate.
I believe North Dakota has a similar situation, though. NDSU does not have its own board, nor does UND. There is a single board for all state higher education. But at least that board doesn't also cover K-12. That's ridiculous.
It can change. Oregon just rid itself of the single board for higher education (OUS) and all the public universities in the state now have their own BORs.
(05-17-2016 03:39 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote: John Keiser was an interesting guy.
Indeed he was. BSU has had several effective presidents (and a few who were not so great) but three of them had the rare combination of being large scale visionaries and having the work ethic and charisma to make those visions reality. Eugene Chaffee, John Keiser, and Bob Kustra advanced BSU beyond expectations. RIP, Dr. Keiser.
Wednesday is when the Vandals get approval to put football in the Big Sky from the Idaho Board of Education. The meeting is ironically enough in Bronco Stadium in one of their suites, so Boise St boosters will be gloating for a week. Idaho State backers on the board will also be happy, as they will see Idaho moving down a notch to be like them.
But I still think this is an Idaho ruse. The Big Sky will announce that it is interested in FBS in a week or two, before Fullerton leaves. Idaho will have no choice but to team up with the other research schools in the Big Sky, stay in FBS, and move back to the WAC. Idaho knows Idaho State can't move up, so Idaho St'S victory will be short lived and Idaho St backers will not blame Idaho for convincing the Big Sky schools to go FBS. BOISE St backers endorsed Idaho's move to the Big Sky, so they can't blame Idaho either. The Big Sky and Fullerton will be the villain of anti-Idaho forces in the state, and Staben will be popular among them all.
Idaho will say it will need more donations before it will commit further to FBS.
All in all, it will be a brilliant move by Idaho and will not create more enemies by Boise St and Idaho St backers.
(This post was last modified: 05-17-2016 08:17 PM by NoDak.)
(05-17-2016 08:14 PM)NoDak Wrote: Wednesday is when the Vandals get approval to put football in the Big Sky from the Idaho Board of Education. The meeting is ironically enough in Bronco Stadium in one of their suites, so Boise St boosters will be gloating for a week. Idaho State backers on the board will also be happy, as they will see Idaho moving down a notch to be like them.
But I still think this is an Idaho ruse. The Big Sky will announce that it is interested in FBS in a week or two, before Fullerton leaves. Idaho will have no choice but to team up with the other research schools in the Big Sky, stay in FBS, and move back to the WAC. Idaho knows Idaho State can't move up, so Idaho St'S victory will be short lived and Idaho St backers will not blame Idaho for convincing the Big Sky schools to go FBS. BOISE St backers endorsed Idaho's move to the Big Sky, so they can't blame Idaho either. The Big Sky and Fullerton will be the villain of anti-Idaho forces in the state, and Staben will be popular among them all.
Idaho will say it will need more donations before it will commit further to FBS.
All in all, it will be a brilliant move by Idaho and will not create more enemies by Boise St and Idaho St backers.
I'm confused. How can the big sky force the state boards hand? Say the big sky says we are going to make a push for fbs. What is to stop the state board from saying that's great but you will have to do it without any schools from Idaho
(05-17-2016 08:14 PM)NoDak Wrote: Wednesday is when the Vandals get approval to put football in the Big Sky from the Idaho Board of Education. The meeting is ironically enough in Bronco Stadium in one of their suites, so Boise St boosters will be gloating for a week. Idaho State backers on the board will also be happy, as they will see Idaho moving down a notch to be like them.
But I still think this is an Idaho ruse. The Big Sky will announce that it is interested in FBS in a week or two, before Fullerton leaves. Idaho will have no choice but to team up with the other research schools in the Big Sky, stay in FBS, and move back to the WAC. Idaho knows Idaho State can't move up, so Idaho St'S victory will be short lived and Idaho St backers will not blame Idaho for convincing the Big Sky schools to go FBS. BOISE St backers endorsed Idaho's move to the Big Sky, so they can't blame Idaho either. The Big Sky and Fullerton will be the villain of anti-Idaho forces in the state, and Staben will be popular among them all.
Idaho will say it will need more donations before it will commit further to FBS.
All in all, it will be a brilliant move by Idaho and will not create more enemies by Boise St and Idaho St backers.
I'm confused. How can the big sky force the state boards hand? Say the big sky says we are going to make a push for fbs. What is to stop the state board from saying that's great but you will have to do it without any schools from Idaho
As long as it appears that Idaho didn't make the push, thereby maybe threatening Idaho St, Idaho won't be blamed. If Idaho was pushing for the Big Sky to go FBS before Idaho announced FCS, Idaho and Staben would be tarred and feathered.
Idaho St doesn't have the alumni support, endowment, or civic support to pursue FBS, even though the Big Sky will be open to them.
(05-17-2016 08:14 PM)NoDak Wrote: Wednesday is when the Vandals get approval to put football in the Big Sky from the Idaho Board of Education. The meeting is ironically enough in Bronco Stadium in one of their suites, so Boise St boosters will be gloating for a week. Idaho State backers on the board will also be happy, as they will see Idaho moving down a notch to be like them.
But I still think this is an Idaho ruse. The Big Sky will announce that it is interested in FBS in a week or two, before Fullerton leaves. Idaho will have no choice but to team up with the other research schools in the Big Sky, stay in FBS, and move back to the WAC. Idaho knows Idaho State can't move up, so Idaho St'S victory will be short lived and Idaho St backers will not blame Idaho for convincing the Big Sky schools to go FBS. BOISE St backers endorsed Idaho's move to the Big Sky, so they can't blame Idaho either. The Big Sky and Fullerton will be the villain of anti-Idaho forces in the state, and Staben will be popular among them all.
Idaho will say it will need more donations before it will commit further to FBS.
All in all, it will be a brilliant move by Idaho and will not create more enemies by Boise St and Idaho St backers.
I'm confused. How can the big sky force the state boards hand? Say the big sky says we are going to make a push for fbs. What is to stop the state board from saying that's great but you will have to do it without any schools from Idaho
(05-17-2016 08:14 PM)NoDak Wrote: Wednesday is when the Vandals get approval to put football in the Big Sky from the Idaho Board of Education. The meeting is ironically enough in Bronco Stadium in one of their suites, so Boise St boosters will be gloating for a week. Idaho State backers on the board will also be happy, as they will see Idaho moving down a notch to be like them.
But I still think this is an Idaho ruse. The Big Sky will announce that it is interested in FBS in a week or two, before Fullerton leaves. Idaho will have no choice but to team up with the other research schools in the Big Sky, stay in FBS, and move back to the WAC. Idaho knows Idaho State can't move up, so Idaho St'S victory will be short lived and Idaho St backers will not blame Idaho for convincing the Big Sky schools to go FBS. BOISE St backers endorsed Idaho's move to the Big Sky, so they can't blame Idaho either. The Big Sky and Fullerton will be the villain of anti-Idaho forces in the state, and Staben will be popular among them all.
Idaho will say it will need more donations before it will commit further to FBS.
All in all, it will be a brilliant move by Idaho and will not create more enemies by Boise St and Idaho St backers.
You act like Idaho is led by Tywin Lannister when the reality is a lot closer to Lloyd Christmas. I'm praying Idaho lucks into an FBS startup conference but if it happens it won't be due to them doing anything clever.
(This post was last modified: 05-17-2016 09:18 PM by LatahCounty.)
(05-17-2016 08:14 PM)NoDak Wrote: Wednesday is when the Vandals get approval to put football in the Big Sky from the Idaho Board of Education. The meeting is ironically enough in Bronco Stadium in one of their suites, so Boise St boosters will be gloating for a week. Idaho State backers on the board will also be happy, as they will see Idaho moving down a notch to be like them.
But I still think this is an Idaho ruse. The Big Sky will announce that it is interested in FBS in a week or two, before Fullerton leaves. Idaho will have no choice but to team up with the other research schools in the Big Sky, stay in FBS, and move back to the WAC. Idaho knows Idaho State can't move up, so Idaho St'S victory will be short lived and Idaho St backers will not blame Idaho for convincing the Big Sky schools to go FBS. BOISE St backers endorsed Idaho's move to the Big Sky, so they can't blame Idaho either. The Big Sky and Fullerton will be the villain of anti-Idaho forces in the state, and Staben will be popular among them all.
Idaho will say it will need more donations before it will commit further to FBS.
All in all, it will be a brilliant move by Idaho and will not create more enemies by Boise St and Idaho St backers.
You act like Idaho is led by Tywin Lannister when the reality is a lot closer to Lloyd Christmas. I'm praying Idaho lucks into an FBS startup conference but it won't be due them doing anything clever.
You seem naive to Idaho politics. I used to live there.
(05-17-2016 08:14 PM)NoDak Wrote: Wednesday is when the Vandals get approval to put football in the Big Sky from the Idaho Board of Education. The meeting is ironically enough in Bronco Stadium in one of their suites, so Boise St boosters will be gloating for a week. Idaho State backers on the board will also be happy, as they will see Idaho moving down a notch to be like them.
But I still think this is an Idaho ruse. The Big Sky will announce that it is interested in FBS in a week or two, before Fullerton leaves. Idaho will have no choice but to team up with the other research schools in the Big Sky, stay in FBS, and move back to the WAC. Idaho knows Idaho State can't move up, so Idaho St'S victory will be short lived and Idaho St backers will not blame Idaho for convincing the Big Sky schools to go FBS. BOISE St backers endorsed Idaho's move to the Big Sky, so they can't blame Idaho either. The Big Sky and Fullerton will be the villain of anti-Idaho forces in the state, and Staben will be popular among them all.
Idaho will say it will need more donations before it will commit further to FBS.
All in all, it will be a brilliant move by Idaho and will not create more enemies by Boise St and Idaho St backers.
NoDak explains to a nonbeliever what Idaho's trying to pull:
(05-17-2016 08:14 PM)NoDak Wrote: Wednesday is when the Vandals get approval to put football in the Big Sky from the Idaho Board of Education. The meeting is ironically enough in Bronco Stadium in one of their suites, so Boise St boosters will be gloating for a week. Idaho State backers on the board will also be happy, as they will see Idaho moving down a notch to be like them.
But I still think this is an Idaho ruse. The Big Sky will announce that it is interested in FBS in a week or two, before Fullerton leaves. Idaho will have no choice but to team up with the other research schools in the Big Sky, stay in FBS, and move back to the WAC. Idaho knows Idaho State can't move up, so Idaho St'S victory will be short lived and Idaho St backers will not blame Idaho for convincing the Big Sky schools to go FBS. BOISE St backers endorsed Idaho's move to the Big Sky, so they can't blame Idaho either. The Big Sky and Fullerton will be the villain of anti-Idaho forces in the state, and Staben will be popular among them all.
Idaho will say it will need more donations before it will commit further to FBS.
All in all, it will be a brilliant move by Idaho and will not create more enemies by Boise St and Idaho St backers.
I'm confused. How can the big sky force the state boards hand? Say the big sky says we are going to make a push for fbs. What is to stop the state board from saying that's great but you will have to do it without any schools from Idaho
As long as it appears that Idaho didn't make the push, thereby maybe threatening Idaho St, Idaho won't be blamed. If Idaho was pushing for the Big Sky to go FBS before Idaho announced FCS, Idaho and Staben would be tarred and feathered.
Idaho St doesn't have the alumni support, endowment, or civic support to pursue FBS, even though the Big Sky will be open to them.
So to clarify, Idaho would get in trouble if non Idaho Big Sky schools jumped to FBS prior to Idaho dropping to FCS, but they won't get in trouble if non Idaho Big Sky schools jump to FBS after Idaho drops to FCS?
(05-17-2016 08:14 PM)NoDak Wrote: Wednesday is when the Vandals get approval to put football in the Big Sky from the Idaho Board of Education. The meeting is ironically enough in Bronco Stadium in one of their suites, so Boise St boosters will be gloating for a week. Idaho State backers on the board will also be happy, as they will see Idaho moving down a notch to be like them.
But I still think this is an Idaho ruse. The Big Sky will announce that it is interested in FBS in a week or two, before Fullerton leaves. Idaho will have no choice but to team up with the other research schools in the Big Sky, stay in FBS, and move back to the WAC. Idaho knows Idaho State can't move up, so Idaho St'S victory will be short lived and Idaho St backers will not blame Idaho for convincing the Big Sky schools to go FBS. BOISE St backers endorsed Idaho's move to the Big Sky, so they can't blame Idaho either. The Big Sky and Fullerton will be the villain of anti-Idaho forces in the state, and Staben will be popular among them all.
Idaho will say it will need more donations before it will commit further to FBS.
All in all, it will be a brilliant move by Idaho and will not create more enemies by Boise St and Idaho St backers.
I'm confused. How can the big sky force the state boards hand? Say the big sky says we are going to make a push for fbs. What is to stop the state board from saying that's great but you will have to do it without any schools from Idaho
As long as it appears that Idaho didn't make the push, thereby maybe threatening Idaho St, Idaho won't be blamed. If Idaho was pushing for the Big Sky to go FBS before Idaho announced FCS, Idaho and Staben would be tarred and feathered.
Idaho St doesn't have the alumni support, endowment, or civic support to pursue FBS, even though the Big Sky will be open to them.
So to clarify, Idaho would get in trouble if non Idaho Big Sky schools jumped to FBS prior to Idaho dropping to FCS, but they won't get in trouble if non Idaho Big Sky schools jump to FBS after Idaho drops to FCS?
If Idaho was seen advocating for a Big Sky move to FBS, there would be a backlash, especially by Idaho St backers.
But since Idaho has already committed to FCS, things appearing out of Idaho's control force it back to FBS, no one will object.
Brilliant move by Staben to announce FCS first before Big Sky teams publicly yearn for FBS.
My previous belief that Staben would announce that their staying FBS after all was only including the financial aspect, not Idaho local politics.
(This post was last modified: 05-17-2016 09:35 PM by NoDak.)
(05-17-2016 08:14 PM)NoDak Wrote: Wednesday is when the Vandals get approval to put football in the Big Sky from the Idaho Board of Education. The meeting is ironically enough in Bronco Stadium in one of their suites, so Boise St boosters will be gloating for a week. Idaho State backers on the board will also be happy, as they will see Idaho moving down a notch to be like them.
But I still think this is an Idaho ruse. The Big Sky will announce that it is interested in FBS in a week or two, before Fullerton leaves. Idaho will have no choice but to team up with the other research schools in the Big Sky, stay in FBS, and move back to the WAC. Idaho knows Idaho State can't move up, so Idaho St'S victory will be short lived and Idaho St backers will not blame Idaho for convincing the Big Sky schools to go FBS. BOISE St backers endorsed Idaho's move to the Big Sky, so they can't blame Idaho either. The Big Sky and Fullerton will be the villain of anti-Idaho forces in the state, and Staben will be popular among them all.
Idaho will say it will need more donations before it will commit further to FBS.
All in all, it will be a brilliant move by Idaho and will not create more enemies by Boise St and Idaho St backers.
You act like Idaho is led by Tywin Lannister when the reality is a lot closer to Lloyd Christmas. I'm praying Idaho lucks into an FBS startup conference but it won't be due them doing anything clever.
You seem naive to Idaho politics. I used to live there.
I grew up in Idaho, I live in Idaho right now, and believe me when I say I am not naive to Idaho politics. I understand what you're saying and all of it would sort of make sense if the players were different but Chuck Staben is most definitely not what you seem to think he is.
And tell me Chuck Staben is a guy whose heart is in FBS football.
At the press conference announcing the Big Sky, Staben basically came out and said Idaho cannot compete in FBS. He'd have to be dragged back kicking and screaming.
Maybe the top of the Big Sky breaks off and goes FBS and if that happens Idaho will come along, but it won't be because Chuck Staben helped make it happen.
(05-17-2016 08:14 PM)NoDak Wrote: Wednesday is when the Vandals get approval to put football in the Big Sky from the Idaho Board of Education. The meeting is ironically enough in Bronco Stadium in one of their suites, so Boise St boosters will be gloating for a week. Idaho State backers on the board will also be happy, as they will see Idaho moving down a notch to be like them.
But I still think this is an Idaho ruse. The Big Sky will announce that it is interested in FBS in a week or two, before Fullerton leaves. Idaho will have no choice but to team up with the other research schools in the Big Sky, stay in FBS, and move back to the WAC. Idaho knows Idaho State can't move up, so Idaho St'S victory will be short lived and Idaho St backers will not blame Idaho for convincing the Big Sky schools to go FBS. BOISE St backers endorsed Idaho's move to the Big Sky, so they can't blame Idaho either. The Big Sky and Fullerton will be the villain of anti-Idaho forces in the state, and Staben will be popular among them all.
Idaho will say it will need more donations before it will commit further to FBS.
All in all, it will be a brilliant move by Idaho and will not create more enemies by Boise St and Idaho St backers.
I'm confused. How can the big sky force the state boards hand? Say the big sky says we are going to make a push for fbs. What is to stop the state board from saying that's great but you will have to do it without any schools from Idaho
As long as it appears that Idaho didn't make the push, thereby maybe threatening Idaho St, Idaho won't be blamed. If Idaho was pushing for the Big Sky to go FBS before Idaho announced FCS, Idaho and Staben would be tarred and feathered.
Idaho St doesn't have the alumni support, endowment, or civic support to pursue FBS, even though the Big Sky will be open to them.
So to clarify, Idaho would get in trouble if non Idaho Big Sky schools jumped to FBS prior to Idaho dropping to FCS, but they won't get in trouble if non Idaho Big Sky schools jump to FBS after Idaho drops to FCS?
If Idaho was seen advocating for a Big Sky move to FBS, there would be a backlash, especially by Idaho St backers.
But since Idaho has already committed to FCS, things appearing out of Idaho's control force it back to FBS, no one will object.
Brilliant move by Staben to announce FCS first before Big Sky teams publicly yearn for FBS.
My previous belief that Staben would announce that their staying FBS after all was only including the financial aspect, not Idaho local politics.
But why would Idaho need to drop to FCS to advocate the Big Sky to go FBS when the Big Sky could just skip that step and go to FBS via the WAC route.
If the Big Sky tomorrow said we are going to pursue FBS how would that be any different if they did it in 2018
(This post was last modified: 05-17-2016 09:44 PM by solohawks.)
And tell me Chuck Staben is a guy whose heart is in FBS football.
At the press conference announcing the Big Sky, Staben basically came out and said Idaho cannot compete in FBS. He'd have to be dragged back kicking and screaming.
Maybe the top of the Big Sky breaks off and goes FBS and if that happens Idaho will come along, but it won't be because Chuck Staben helped make it happen.
"All these qualities will be nurtured in the Big Sky conference" says it all.
If the Big Sky wants to go FBS, Staben will follow. But in truth, Staben wanted the Big Sky to go FBS all along, as that would be more appropriate competition.
(05-17-2016 08:32 PM)solohawks Wrote: I'm confused. How can the big sky force the state boards hand? Say the big sky says we are going to make a push for fbs. What is to stop the state board from saying that's great but you will have to do it without any schools from Idaho
As long as it appears that Idaho didn't make the push, thereby maybe threatening Idaho St, Idaho won't be blamed. If Idaho was pushing for the Big Sky to go FBS before Idaho announced FCS, Idaho and Staben would be tarred and feathered.
Idaho St doesn't have the alumni support, endowment, or civic support to pursue FBS, even though the Big Sky will be open to them.
So to clarify, Idaho would get in trouble if non Idaho Big Sky schools jumped to FBS prior to Idaho dropping to FCS, but they won't get in trouble if non Idaho Big Sky schools jump to FBS after Idaho drops to FCS?
If Idaho was seen advocating for a Big Sky move to FBS, there would be a backlash, especially by Idaho St backers.
But since Idaho has already committed to FCS, things appearing out of Idaho's control force it back to FBS, no one will object.
Brilliant move by Staben to announce FCS first before Big Sky teams publicly yearn for FBS.
My previous belief that Staben would announce that their staying FBS after all was only including the financial aspect, not Idaho local politics.
But why would Idaho need to drop to FCS to advocate the Big Sky to go FBS when the Big Sky could just skip that step and go to FBS via the WAC route.
If the Big Sky tomorrow said we are going to pursue FBS how would that be any different if they did it in 2018
He doesn't want to be seen pushing or advocating FBS anywhere anytime. But Idaho ending up with Big Sky schools in an FBS league is what he and othere wanted all along.
I guess I was wrong to use the word cockamamie, after all.
No, there isn't a word available that properly imparts the correct level of ridiculousness and implausibility onto what NoDak is pretending to know and "explain" to us all.
(05-17-2016 08:41 PM)NoDak Wrote: As long as it appears that Idaho didn't make the push, thereby maybe threatening Idaho St, Idaho won't be blamed. If Idaho was pushing for the Big Sky to go FBS before Idaho announced FCS, Idaho and Staben would be tarred and feathered.
Idaho St doesn't have the alumni support, endowment, or civic support to pursue FBS, even though the Big Sky will be open to them.
So to clarify, Idaho would get in trouble if non Idaho Big Sky schools jumped to FBS prior to Idaho dropping to FCS, but they won't get in trouble if non Idaho Big Sky schools jump to FBS after Idaho drops to FCS?
If Idaho was seen advocating for a Big Sky move to FBS, there would be a backlash, especially by Idaho St backers.
But since Idaho has already committed to FCS, things appearing out of Idaho's control force it back to FBS, no one will object.
Brilliant move by Staben to announce FCS first before Big Sky teams publicly yearn for FBS.
My previous belief that Staben would announce that their staying FBS after all was only including the financial aspect, not Idaho local politics.
But why would Idaho need to drop to FCS to advocate the Big Sky to go FBS when the Big Sky could just skip that step and go to FBS via the WAC route.
If the Big Sky tomorrow said we are going to pursue FBS how would that be any different if they did it in 2018
He doesn't want to be seen pushing or advocating FBS anywhere anytime. But Idaho ending up with Big Sky schools in an FBS league is what he and othere wanted all along.
I get that.
But
Staben does not control the Big Sky and no reasonable person could be angry with him if Montanas or other Big Sky schools said we want FBS and we will pursue it via the WAC method. Staben does not control them so again if the Big Sky wanted FBS what is stopping them right now?
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