To hell with ECU.

(06-05-2016 06:14 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 05:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 03:31 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Of course it's $9 million per year. When Selig of ODU said the contract was $9 million he did not specify that it was for one year so some C-USA haters jumped all over that. It just had to mean that it was for the length of the contract don't you know.

A reporter at BG asks the AD at WKU about the contract money and was told directly that it is $9 million per year. The C-USA haters can't stand that.

When the old contract was referenced as $14 million did everyone jump to the conclusion that it was $14 million over the life of the contract? Of course not. That's almost always the way a contract value is talked about. $14 million means per year. $9 million means per year.

The issue with belief is every single official, president, and AD interviewed has said the contract value represents a cut from last year. So, either they are mistaken when they pretend like last years contract was paying 14 million a year or they are mistaken when they say its 9 million each year. Not to mention, we have multiple outlets reporting different numbers (ODU and Marshall beat writers have indicated significantly different numbers). It will eventually play out and everyone will know the answer. It may be 9 million a year (which is honestly in the ball park of what I was expecting a year ago--a moderate decrease). But right now, there seems to be a lot of conflicting information for some reason. The ODU AD seems to be much more open and talkative than most in that position (wish ours was that way)---my guess is he will eventually discuss it in his weekly radio interviews.

you keep repeating this so show me a link where anyone from CUSA said it wasn't 9 million a year? Not a beat writer that said "unnamed sources" but a actually CUSA AD, President, or from the conference office

If a school received 1.14 million last year and they are getting $642,857 on this contract in what world do you live in that that's not a decrease?

You and the couple ecu fans are so assumed with this that it's almost like it's your money. And before you say I really don't have any hard feelings and want to see CUSA really get this contract...

you know that's bullcrap

You took joy when you thought it was less than half this. Now that it's been reported as 9 mil a year...it's breaking your heart. For some reason. Hell I don't understand that as a former SBC member I would love to see those schools get more money. They deserve it and need it. But petty fans from the aac and SBC must not think that way

Im just going by what Ive read and heard in these radio interviews.

http://www.wvgazettemail.com/sports/2016...sa-tv-deal

Differing report of value of last years contract from Selig (about the 4 minute mark he explains where the CUSA contract stands in the 2015-2016 year).

https://soundcloud.com/espnradio94-1/woo...-16#t=0:00

Then there is an interview with Selig indicating the deal is worth 9 million---which could be interpreted multiple ways.

I believe there was another estimate by the ODU beat writer where he says 5-6 million in an interview with the commissioner (I assume he got that number from her) but I cant find that link. There is also a tax document that indicates the CUSA 2013-2014 media income was reduced to 10.4 million---so that's the closest thing we have to verified fact in this whole discussion.

Just saying, these numbers are all over the place, so its hard to look at one article and say this is gospel. It will get sorted out. I guess I just find it strange that officials keep saying there was a cut, when 9 million is in fact an increase over the past years contract payout (per Selig). If its 9 million, then Fox/CBS kinda screwed CUSA by adjusting the value estimate of the old contract to below "market". Its silly to claim there isn't differing information out there. Right now, I have no idea which is correct (lol, hell, neither estimate may even be correct for all I know).

I find this stuff intriguing. I follow all the deals. I followed the MAC renegotiation and am really curious how the Big10 deal plays out. That said, Im probably more interested in the G5 deals because they are going to have more impact on the teams I root for in a few years. Its also interesting because we are in a era of such change. I think what CUSA is doing with their digital rights is something to pay very close attention to.

(06-05-2016 07:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 06:14 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 05:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 03:31 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Of course it's $9 million per year. When Selig of ODU said the contract was $9 million he did not specify that it was for one year so some C-USA haters jumped all over that. It just had to mean that it was for the length of the contract don't you know.

A reporter at BG asks the AD at WKU about the contract money and was told directly that it is $9 million per year. The C-USA haters can't stand that.

When the old contract was referenced as $14 million did everyone jump to the conclusion that it was $14 million over the life of the contract? Of course not. That's almost always the way a contract value is talked about. $14 million means per year. $9 million means per year.

The issue with belief is every single official, president, and AD interviewed has said the contract value represents a cut from last year. So, either they are mistaken when they pretend like last years contract was paying 14 million a year or they are mistaken when they say its 9 million each year. Not to mention, we have multiple outlets reporting different numbers (ODU and Marshall beat writers have indicated significantly different numbers). It will eventually play out and everyone will know the answer. It may be 9 million a year (which is honestly in the ball park of what I was expecting a year ago--a moderate decrease). But right now, there seems to be a lot of conflicting information for some reason. The ODU AD seems to be much more open and talkative than most in that position (wish ours was that way)---my guess is he will eventually discuss it in his weekly radio interviews.

you keep repeating this so show me a link where anyone from CUSA said it wasn't 9 million a year? Not a beat writer that said "unnamed sources" but a actually CUSA AD, President, or from the conference office

If a school received 1.14 million last year and they are getting $642,857 on this contract in what world do you live in that that's not a decrease?

You and the couple ecu fans are so assumed with this that it's almost like it's your money. And before you say I really don't have any hard feelings and want to see CUSA really get this contract...

you know that's bullcrap

You took joy when you thought it was less than half this. Now that it's been reported as 9 mil a year...it's breaking your heart. For some reason. Hell I don't understand that as a former SBC member I would love to see those schools get more money. They deserve it and need it. But petty fans from the aac and SBC must not think that way

Im just going by what Ive read and heard in these radio interviews.

http://www.wvgazettemail.com/sports/2016...sa-tv-deal

Differing report of value of last years contract from Selig (about the 4 minute mark he explains where the CUSA contract stands in the 2015-2016 year).

https://soundcloud.com/espnradio94-1/woo...-16#t=0:00

Then there is an interview with Selig indicating the deal is worth 9 million---which could be interpreted multiple ways.

I believe there was another estimate by the ODU beat writer where he says 5-6 million in an interview with the commissioner (I assume he got that number from her) but I cant find that link. There is also a tax document that indicates the CUSA 2013-2014 media income was reduced to 10.4 million---so that's the closest thing we have to verified fact in this whole discussion.

Just saying, these numbers are all over the place, so its hard to look at one article and say this is gospel. It will get sorted out. I guess I just find it strange that officials keep saying there was a cut, when 9 million is in fact an increase over the past years contract payout (per Selig). If its 9 million, then Fox/CBS kinda screwed CUSA by adjusting the value estimate of the old contract to below "market". Its silly to claim there isn't differing information out there. Right now, I have no idea which is correct (lol, hell, neither estimate may even be correct for all I know).

I find this stuff intriguing. I follow all the deals. I followed the MAC renegotiation and am really curious how the Big10 deal plays out. That said, Im probably more interested in the G5 deals because they currently have more impact on the teams I root for in a few years.

First off the first link you gave quoted noone. ZIP, ZERO, NONE

It did say this

Quote:Virginian-Pilot in Norfolk reported that Old Dominion’s anticipated yearly TV revenue would drop to $6 million, and that ODU anticipated its share would drop $600,000 to $700,000. - See more at: http://www.wvgazettemail.com/sports/2016...bti83.dpuf

which is close to what Western's AD said 9 million a year or $642,857 so was this person taking that to mean it would drop by that much or was it stated it would drop to $600,000 to $700,000

But again nothing was said or quoted by a CUSA AD, President or from the CUSA Office.

Your 2nd link did not give a number he said everything is still being worked out. So again..NOTHING

Now let me address the part in red it wasn't butt a week or two ago you were saying something totally different. I said to you in a post (I can look it up if you want) that the ODU beat writer was basing this off what the CUSA commissioner said. You said...no no no, that wasn't the case. Now you want to argue it the other way?

But I recall that even then everything wasn't finial.

As for differing information out there...again find me one link from someone that would KNOW, in the same room when the deal was signed saying that differing information. Link please?

Hey numbers interest me so I get that part...not really TV deals but numbers. I could understand that but don't lay it off on "you just enjoy" this kind of stuff. I've read your post and seen the joy you got, or at least it read that way, when you thought CUSA was getting $250,000 for each school. All of a sudden it became CAN'T BE CAN'T BE CAN'T BE!!!!

Well who would you trust more the AD from your school or a writer that quotes no one?

Maybe Todd is completely wrong. Maybe he was lying or maybe just mistaken. Till I see a linked quote from another CUSA AD or someone that would know this...IN THE ROOM knowledge...it's 9 million a year

(06-05-2016 07:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 06:14 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 05:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 03:31 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Of course it's $9 million per year. When Selig of ODU said the contract was $9 million he did not specify that it was for one year so some C-USA haters jumped all over that. It just had to mean that it was for the length of the contract don't you know.

A reporter at BG asks the AD at WKU about the contract money and was told directly that it is $9 million per year. The C-USA haters can't stand that.

When the old contract was referenced as $14 million did everyone jump to the conclusion that it was $14 million over the life of the contract? Of course not. That's almost always the way a contract value is talked about. $14 million means per year. $9 million means per year.

The issue with belief is every single official, president, and AD interviewed has said the contract value represents a cut from last year. So, either they are mistaken when they pretend like last years contract was paying 14 million a year or they are mistaken when they say its 9 million each year. Not to mention, we have multiple outlets reporting different numbers (ODU and Marshall beat writers have indicated significantly different numbers). It will eventually play out and everyone will know the answer. It may be 9 million a year (which is honestly in the ball park of what I was expecting a year ago--a moderate decrease). But right now, there seems to be a lot of conflicting information for some reason. The ODU AD seems to be much more open and talkative than most in that position (wish ours was that way)---my guess is he will eventually discuss it in his weekly radio interviews.

you keep repeating this so show me a link where anyone from CUSA said it wasn't 9 million a year? Not a beat writer that said "unnamed sources" but a actually CUSA AD, President, or from the conference office

If a school received 1.14 million last year and they are getting $642,857 on this contract in what world do you live in that that's not a decrease?

You and the couple ecu fans are so assumed with this that it's almost like it's your money. And before you say I really don't have any hard feelings and want to see CUSA really get this contract...

you know that's bullcrap

You took joy when you thought it was less than half this. Now that it's been reported as 9 mil a year...it's breaking your heart. For some reason. Hell I don't understand that as a former SBC member I would love to see those schools get more money. They deserve it and need it. But petty fans from the aac and SBC must not think that way

Im just going by what Ive read and heard in these radio interviews.

http://www.wvgazettemail.com/sports/2016...sa-tv-deal

Differing report of value of last years contract from Selig (about the 4 minute mark he explains where the CUSA contract stands in the 2015-2016 year).

https://soundcloud.com/espnradio94-1/woo...-16#t=0:00

Then there is an interview with Selig indicating the deal is worth 9 million---which could be interpreted multiple ways.

I believe there was another estimate by the ODU beat writer where he says 5-6 million in an interview with the commissioner (I assume he got that number from her) but I cant find that link. There is also a tax document that indicates the CUSA 2013-2014 media income was reduced to 10.4 million---so that's the closest thing we have to verified fact in this whole discussion.

Just saying, these numbers are all over the place, so its hard to look at one article and say this is gospel. It will get sorted out. I guess I just find it strange that officials keep saying there was a cut, when 9 million is in fact an increase over the past years contract payout (per Selig). If its 9 million, then Fox/CBS kinda screwed CUSA by adjusting the value estimate of the old contract to below "market". Its silly to claim there isn't differing information out there. Right now, I have no idea which is correct (lol, hell, neither estimate may even be correct for all I know).

I find this stuff intriguing. I follow all the deals. I followed the MAC renegotiation and am really curious how the Big10 deal plays out. That said, Im probably more interested in the G5 deals because they are going to have more impact on the teams I root for in a few years. Its also interesting because we are in a era of such change. I think what CUSA is doing with their digital rights is something to pay very close attention to.

When you get to the bottom of this please let us CUSA fans know

(06-05-2016 09:47 PM)winston70 Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 07:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 06:14 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 05:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 03:31 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Of course it's $9 million per year. When Selig of ODU said the contract was $9 million he did not specify that it was for one year so some C-USA haters jumped all over that. It just had to mean that it was for the length of the contract don't you know.

A reporter at BG asks the AD at WKU about the contract money and was told directly that it is $9 million per year. The C-USA haters can't stand that.

When the old contract was referenced as $14 million did everyone jump to the conclusion that it was $14 million over the life of the contract? Of course not. That's almost always the way a contract value is talked about. $14 million means per year. $9 million means per year.

The issue with belief is every single official, president, and AD interviewed has said the contract value represents a cut from last year. So, either they are mistaken when they pretend like last years contract was paying 14 million a year or they are mistaken when they say its 9 million each year. Not to mention, we have multiple outlets reporting different numbers (ODU and Marshall beat writers have indicated significantly different numbers). It will eventually play out and everyone will know the answer. It may be 9 million a year (which is honestly in the ball park of what I was expecting a year ago--a moderate decrease). But right now, there seems to be a lot of conflicting information for some reason. The ODU AD seems to be much more open and talkative than most in that position (wish ours was that way)---my guess is he will eventually discuss it in his weekly radio interviews.

you keep repeating this so show me a link where anyone from CUSA said it wasn't 9 million a year? Not a beat writer that said "unnamed sources" but a actually CUSA AD, President, or from the conference office

If a school received 1.14 million last year and they are getting $642,857 on this contract in what world do you live in that that's not a decrease?

You and the couple ecu fans are so assumed with this that it's almost like it's your money. And before you say I really don't have any hard feelings and want to see CUSA really get this contract...

you know that's bullcrap

You took joy when you thought it was less than half this. Now that it's been reported as 9 mil a year...it's breaking your heart. For some reason. Hell I don't understand that as a former SBC member I would love to see those schools get more money. They deserve it and need it. But petty fans from the aac and SBC must not think that way

Im just going by what Ive read and heard in these radio interviews.

http://www.wvgazettemail.com/sports/2016...sa-tv-deal

Differing report of value of last years contract from Selig (about the 4 minute mark he explains where the CUSA contract stands in the 2015-2016 year).

https://soundcloud.com/espnradio94-1/woo...-16#t=0:00

Then there is an interview with Selig indicating the deal is worth 9 million---which could be interpreted multiple ways.

I believe there was another estimate by the ODU beat writer where he says 5-6 million in an interview with the commissioner (I assume he got that number from her) but I cant find that link. There is also a tax document that indicates the CUSA 2013-2014 media income was reduced to 10.4 million---so that's the closest thing we have to verified fact in this whole discussion.

Just saying, these numbers are all over the place, so its hard to look at one article and say this is gospel. It will get sorted out. I guess I just find it strange that officials keep saying there was a cut, when 9 million is in fact an increase over the past years contract payout (per Selig). If its 9 million, then Fox/CBS kinda screwed CUSA by adjusting the value estimate of the old contract to below "market". Its silly to claim there isn't differing information out there. Right now, I have no idea which is correct (lol, hell, neither estimate may even be correct for all I know).

I find this stuff intriguing. I follow all the deals. I followed the MAC renegotiation and am really curious how the Big10 deal plays out. That said, Im probably more interested in the G5 deals because they are going to have more impact on the teams I root for in a few years. Its also interesting because we are in a era of such change. I think what CUSA is doing with their digital rights is something to pay very close attention to.

When you get to the bottom of this please let us CUSA fans know

Him, pesik and baruna are on the case tracking every lead. Once they found out it was 9 mil that went into crisis mode. "that can't be" "someone's lying"

Attackcoog said-- " I guess I just find it strange that officials keep saying there was a cut."


"There is also a tax document that indicates the CUSA 2013-2014 media income was reduced to 10.4 million..."

MATH--- 9 million IS LESS than 10.4 million;hence there was a CUT.

ALSO MORE IMPORTANTLY...


ODU AD Selig(from Sound Cloud link in post #22 above) 5-5-16--"We haven't finalized any of our tv contracts to (this) date"
This interview was a month ago-figures are now known and finalized.All statements in this interview should be taken in the context of May 5th-2016.

ODU AD Selig(same interview)--"still waiting on what final numbers will be"..."initial value of tv contract(the one this two year deal is replacing) was 14 million dollars"..."Those departing institutions have made C-USA whole financially with a form of a penalty payment they have been sending each year...so the membership has remained whole for that 14 million dollars"---"the true "value"** of the current contract that we are re-negotiating at this time is probably around that 6 million dollar range."

**by "true value" Selig is referring to what IT WOULD BE WITHOUT "penalty payments" added in.

Next quote VERY IMPORTANT(remember this was May 5th).

Selig--"NOW we are going to find out what our true MARKET PLACE value is in the next month or so with our NEW contract"

ALL these quotes are in the 4:00-5:30 min. segment in the sound cloud link.



MATH--9 million is LESS than 14 million;hence, there was a CUT.

Do not let the 6 million dollar figure cause confusion--that number is what Selig said it would "hypothetically" be WITHOUT those penalty payments(also may have included exit fees,etc.).

Notice that Selig said the "true value" of the current contract( as of May 5th)--he was NOT talking about the exact number amount--which,again was SUPPLEMENTED by departing school penalties toward the latter end of the old 14 million dollar contract.



BOTTOM LINE and QUICK REVIEW:

Original contract for 14 million per year dropped during the last few years of it's term(per terms due to loss of teams).This loss in income was made up by penalties,etc. from departing teams(per contract).New contract will be for two years with ESPN,CBS Sports,ASN,BEIN,Campus Insiders(not official),and ESPN 3.According to ODU AD Selig(5-26-16 ESPN radio 94.1) AND WKU AD Stewart(B.G.Daily News 6-4-16) the deal is 9 million PER YEAR.When asked directly for verification on twitter B.G. Daily News writer Brad Stephens stated "I was told 9 mil PER SEASON over the two years of the deal." He was referring to what he was told by WKU AD Stewart when researching the story in an in-person interview published 6-4-16 or on bgdailynews.com. on 6-3-16.

The reason certain fans don't want to accept that this is a $9 million dollar per year deal is that their self worth is enhanced, in their minds, with C-USA getting even less money than that. Once they talked themselves into believing each school could be getting as little as $250k per year, they cannot accept anything higher than that. Just because an actual AD who would know says it is $9 million per year or $642k per school per year, does not mean that it's true, in their mind. There has to be some speculative way to get back to the incorrect but lower figure.

In the case of AAC fans, it's a way to measure their financial advantage in an even more positive way than it already is. In the case of SBC fans, their $100k per school per year does not look quite so low when compared to $250k than it does when up against $642k.

It's just human nature. We on this board will do the same thing when we need to in order to soothe our egos, such as they are.

Just crazy the amount AAC and Sun Belt cares about this money we are getting per season...Shows something with them going from giddy to now how can this be? Really fun to watch their reactions...

(06-05-2016 07:45 PM)Noodles Wrote:  To hell with ECU.

x10. Go 'Heels.

(06-06-2016 01:01 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 09:47 PM)winston70 Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 07:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 06:14 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 05:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The issue with belief is every single official, president, and AD interviewed has said the contract value represents a cut from last year. So, either they are mistaken when they pretend like last years contract was paying 14 million a year or they are mistaken when they say its 9 million each year. Not to mention, we have multiple outlets reporting different numbers (ODU and Marshall beat writers have indicated significantly different numbers). It will eventually play out and everyone will know the answer. It may be 9 million a year (which is honestly in the ball park of what I was expecting a year ago--a moderate decrease). But right now, there seems to be a lot of conflicting information for some reason. The ODU AD seems to be much more open and talkative than most in that position (wish ours was that way)---my guess is he will eventually discuss it in his weekly radio interviews.

you keep repeating this so show me a link where anyone from CUSA said it wasn't 9 million a year? Not a beat writer that said "unnamed sources" but a actually CUSA AD, President, or from the conference office

If a school received 1.14 million last year and they are getting $642,857 on this contract in what world do you live in that that's not a decrease?

You and the couple ecu fans are so assumed with this that it's almost like it's your money. And before you say I really don't have any hard feelings and want to see CUSA really get this contract...

you know that's bullcrap

You took joy when you thought it was less than half this. Now that it's been reported as 9 mil a year...it's breaking your heart. For some reason. Hell I don't understand that as a former SBC member I would love to see those schools get more money. They deserve it and need it. But petty fans from the aac and SBC must not think that way

Im just going by what Ive read and heard in these radio interviews.

http://www.wvgazettemail.com/sports/2016...sa-tv-deal

Differing report of value of last years contract from Selig (about the 4 minute mark he explains where the CUSA contract stands in the 2015-2016 year).

https://soundcloud.com/espnradio94-1/woo...-16#t=0:00

Then there is an interview with Selig indicating the deal is worth 9 million---which could be interpreted multiple ways.

I believe there was another estimate by the ODU beat writer where he says 5-6 million in an interview with the commissioner (I assume he got that number from her) but I cant find that link. There is also a tax document that indicates the CUSA 2013-2014 media income was reduced to 10.4 million---so that's the closest thing we have to verified fact in this whole discussion.

Just saying, these numbers are all over the place, so its hard to look at one article and say this is gospel. It will get sorted out. I guess I just find it strange that officials keep saying there was a cut, when 9 million is in fact an increase over the past years contract payout (per Selig). If its 9 million, then Fox/CBS kinda screwed CUSA by adjusting the value estimate of the old contract to below "market". Its silly to claim there isn't differing information out there. Right now, I have no idea which is correct (lol, hell, neither estimate may even be correct for all I know).

I find this stuff intriguing. I follow all the deals. I followed the MAC renegotiation and am really curious how the Big10 deal plays out. That said, Im probably more interested in the G5 deals because they are going to have more impact on the teams I root for in a few years. Its also interesting because we are in a era of such change. I think what CUSA is doing with their digital rights is something to pay very close attention to.

When you get to the bottom of this please let us CUSA fans know

Him, pesik and baruna are on the case tracking every lead. Once they found out it was 9 mil that went into crisis mode. "that can't be" "someone's lying"

Ha, see you missed me and I missed you Sunshine.

I have very little trust of public figures. Do not trust Aresco either. The problem with the 9 million is this; where is the money coming from?
5 games ESPN
5 Games CBS.

Are networks paying CUSA half of what the AAC gets for over 200 games broadcast? 10 games at 9 million a year? You guys should be asking the same questions as well..

Show me who is paying and I will shut up. Is the Bein Network paying the bulk?

(06-06-2016 03:06 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Attackcoog said-- " I guess I just find it strange that officials keep saying there was a cut."


"There is also a tax document that indicates the CUSA 2013-2014 media income was reduced to 10.4 million..."

MATH--- 9 million IS LESS than 10.4 million;hence there was a CUT.

ALSO MORE IMPORTANTLY...


ODU AD Selig(from Sound Cloud link in post #22 above) 5-5-16--"We haven't finalized any of our tv contracts to (this) date"
This interview was a month ago-figures are now known and finalized.All statements in this interview should be taken in the context of May 5th-2016.

ODU AD Selig(same interview)--"still waiting on what final numbers will be"..."initial value of tv contract(the one this two year deal is replacing) was 14 million dollars"..."Those departing institutions have made C-USA whole financially with a form of a penalty payment they have been sending each year...so the membership has remained whole for that 14 million dollars"---"the true "value"** of the current contract that we are re-negotiating at this time is probably around that 6 million dollar range."

**by "true value" Selig is referring to what IT WOULD BE WITHOUT "penalty payments" added in.

Next quote VERY IMPORTANT(remember this was May 5th).

Selig--"NOW we are going to find out what our true MARKET PLACE value is in the next month or so with our NEW contract"

ALL these quotes are in the 4:00-5:30 min. segment in the sound cloud link.



MATH--9 million is LESS than 14 million;hence, there was a CUT.

Do not let the 6 million dollar figure cause confusion--that number is what Selig said it would "hypothetically" be WITHOUT those penalty payments(also may have included exit fees,etc.).

Notice that Selig said the "true value" of the current contract( as of May 5th)--he was NOT talking about the exact number amount--which,again was SUPPLEMENTED by departing school penalties toward the latter end of the old 14 million dollar contract.



BOTTOM LINE and QUICK REVIEW:

Original contract for 14 million per year dropped during the last few years of it's term(per terms due to loss of teams).This loss in income was made up by penalties,etc. from departing teams(per contract).New contract will be for two years with ESPN,CBS Sports,ASN,BEIN,Campus Insiders(not official),and ESPN 3.According to ODU AD Selig(5-26-16 ESPN radio 94.1) AND WKU AD Stewart(B.G.Daily News 6-4-16) the deal is 9 million PER YEAR.When asked directly for verification on twitter B.G. Daily News writer Brad Stephens stated "I was told 9 mil PER SEASON over the two years of the deal." He was referring to what he was told by WKU AD Stewart when researching the story in an in-person interview published 6-4-16 or on bgdailynews.com. on 6-3-16.

I think that's as reasonable answer as any to make all the pieces fit together. So, I'm thinking the correct figure probably is 9 million a year. I do still think the financial part could have been presented more posiitively by CUSA officials. The reality is the actual contract value in the marketplace exceeded the 6 million dollar estimate Fox/CBS had been using to adjust the old contract. That was actually good news.

(06-06-2016 08:36 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 01:01 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 09:47 PM)winston70 Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 07:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 06:14 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  you keep repeating this so show me a link where anyone from CUSA said it wasn't 9 million a year? Not a beat writer that said "unnamed sources" but a actually CUSA AD, President, or from the conference office

If a school received 1.14 million last year and they are getting $642,857 on this contract in what world do you live in that that's not a decrease?

You and the couple ecu fans are so assumed with this that it's almost like it's your money. And before you say I really don't have any hard feelings and want to see CUSA really get this contract...

you know that's bullcrap

You took joy when you thought it was less than half this. Now that it's been reported as 9 mil a year...it's breaking your heart. For some reason. Hell I don't understand that as a former SBC member I would love to see those schools get more money. They deserve it and need it. But petty fans from the aac and SBC must not think that way

Im just going by what Ive read and heard in these radio interviews.

http://www.wvgazettemail.com/sports/2016...sa-tv-deal

Differing report of value of last years contract from Selig (about the 4 minute mark he explains where the CUSA contract stands in the 2015-2016 year).

https://soundcloud.com/espnradio94-1/woo...-16#t=0:00

Then there is an interview with Selig indicating the deal is worth 9 million---which could be interpreted multiple ways.

I believe there was another estimate by the ODU beat writer where he says 5-6 million in an interview with the commissioner (I assume he got that number from her) but I cant find that link. There is also a tax document that indicates the CUSA 2013-2014 media income was reduced to 10.4 million---so that's the closest thing we have to verified fact in this whole discussion.

Just saying, these numbers are all over the place, so its hard to look at one article and say this is gospel. It will get sorted out. I guess I just find it strange that officials keep saying there was a cut, when 9 million is in fact an increase over the past years contract payout (per Selig). If its 9 million, then Fox/CBS kinda screwed CUSA by adjusting the value estimate of the old contract to below "market". Its silly to claim there isn't differing information out there. Right now, I have no idea which is correct (lol, hell, neither estimate may even be correct for all I know).

I find this stuff intriguing. I follow all the deals. I followed the MAC renegotiation and am really curious how the Big10 deal plays out. That said, Im probably more interested in the G5 deals because they are going to have more impact on the teams I root for in a few years. Its also interesting because we are in a era of such change. I think what CUSA is doing with their digital rights is something to pay very close attention to.

When you get to the bottom of this please let us CUSA fans know

Him, pesik and baruna are on the case tracking every lead. Once they found out it was 9 mil that went into crisis mode. "that can't be" "someone's lying"

Ha, see you missed me and I missed you Sunshine.

I have very little trust of public figures. Do not trust Aresco either. The problem with the 9 million is this; where is the money coming from?
5 games ESPN
5 Games CBS.

Are networks paying CUSA half of what the AAC gets for over 200 games broadcast? 10 games at 9 million a year? You guys should be asking the same questions as well..

Show me who is paying and I will shut up. Is the Bein Network paying the bulk?

We've got five different deals, which it sounds like altogether total up to the 9 mil.
But you do bring up a good point, and that is that C-USA will probably be getting, per game, more than AAC for our ESPN games. Like you, I haven't seen any specific numbers yet.
Not that we wouldn't trade deals with you in a heartbeat... Just a fun little piece of trivia to keep an eye on :)

(06-06-2016 09:43 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 08:36 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 01:01 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 09:47 PM)winston70 Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 07:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Im just going by what Ive read and heard in these radio interviews.

http://www.wvgazettemail.com/sports/2016...sa-tv-deal

Differing report of value of last years contract from Selig (about the 4 minute mark he explains where the CUSA contract stands in the 2015-2016 year).

https://soundcloud.com/espnradio94-1/woo...-16#t=0:00

Then there is an interview with Selig indicating the deal is worth 9 million---which could be interpreted multiple ways.

I believe there was another estimate by the ODU beat writer where he says 5-6 million in an interview with the commissioner (I assume he got that number from her) but I cant find that link. There is also a tax document that indicates the CUSA 2013-2014 media income was reduced to 10.4 million---so that's the closest thing we have to verified fact in this whole discussion.

Just saying, these numbers are all over the place, so its hard to look at one article and say this is gospel. It will get sorted out. I guess I just find it strange that officials keep saying there was a cut, when 9 million is in fact an increase over the past years contract payout (per Selig). If its 9 million, then Fox/CBS kinda screwed CUSA by adjusting the value estimate of the old contract to below "market". Its silly to claim there isn't differing information out there. Right now, I have no idea which is correct (lol, hell, neither estimate may even be correct for all I know).

I find this stuff intriguing. I follow all the deals. I followed the MAC renegotiation and am really curious how the Big10 deal plays out. That said, Im probably more interested in the G5 deals because they are going to have more impact on the teams I root for in a few years. Its also interesting because we are in a era of such change. I think what CUSA is doing with their digital rights is something to pay very close attention to.

When you get to the bottom of this please let us CUSA fans know

Him, pesik and baruna are on the case tracking every lead. Once they found out it was 9 mil that went into crisis mode. "that can't be" "someone's lying"

Ha, see you missed me and I missed you Sunshine.

I have very little trust of public figures. Do not trust Aresco either. The problem with the 9 million is this; where is the money coming from?
5 games ESPN
5 Games CBS.

Are networks paying CUSA half of what the AAC gets for over 200 games broadcast? 10 games at 9 million a year? You guys should be asking the same questions as well..

Show me who is paying and I will shut up. Is the Bein Network paying the bulk?

We've got five different deals, which it sounds like altogether total up to the 9 mil.
But you do bring up a good point, and that is that C-USA will probably be getting, per game, more than AAC for our ESPN games. Like you, I haven't seen any specific numbers yet.
Not that we wouldn't trade deals with you in a heartbeat... Just a fun little piece of trivia to keep an eye on :)

If the 9 million is correct and the bulk is coming from ESPN and CBS then yes,without a doubt CUSA will be getting more money per game than the AAC.

Really good PR moves by CUSA (likely accidental, but possibly intentional). Set the bar so low (4-5 million a year) that everyone is happy when the contract is 9 million a year, even if that's still worse than the last TV deal. Changed the narrative.

At 9 million, the deal is better than the MAC's IMO.

(06-06-2016 10:24 AM)Superanjario Wrote:  Really good PR moves by CUSA (likely accidental, but possibly intentional). Set the bar so low (4-5 million a year) that everyone is happy when the contract is 9 million a year, even if that's still worse than the last TV deal. Changed the narrative.

At 9 million, the deal is better than the MAC's IMO.

The MAC deal will jump to 10 million in the extension years, but by then CUSA will be negotiating a new deal, so if CUSA got even a minimal increase they would likely still remain ahead of the MAC.

That's normal though. Under promise and over deliver. Dell does it constantly to us.

(06-05-2016 07:45 PM)Noodles Wrote:  To hell with ECU.

Sorry you feel that way. I miss playing USM, probably my favorite series ECU had aside from NC State. A game I circled on the calendar every year.

baruna falls says--" I have very little trust of public figures. Do not trust Aresco either. The problem with the 9 million is this; where is the money coming from?"

I don't care as long as it is legal.These are confidential corporate contracts-we (as fans) don't get to take a peek!! We will NEVER know All the specifics!

Here are some possibilities:

--5, yes FIVE entities in this media deal-a little here-there-it adds up

--Espn is also getting conf. football champ. game-a valuable item
along with first pick of games IT chooses-more value

--Several of these entities probably paid a little more to have "first
right of refusal" on the NEXT contract

-- BEIN, a foreign company may have paid a little extra just to make
a splash or impact

--ESPN feared losing a bit of some of its other content and wanted a
tad of insurance

--C-USA WAITED.They waited till just approx. 30 days before the
current deal expired.Leverage can work BOTH WAYS.Maybe that
helped

--Competition-5 entities working against each had to help--to at
least a small extent

--Potential-possibly some of these partners are banking on future
potential

--**Here is a "possible" secret.JUST a WILD
GUESS.The new deal is supplemented by
penalties from some former members,exit
fees,entrance fees,etc., as they did near
the end of the old contract


Remember NINE million is STILL a REDUCTION.Also it is a drop in the bucket for some of these big networks especially when compared to P5 money.

AGAIN-Where is the money coming from? DON'T CARE.Does not matter as long as it is legal we are still getting NINE MILLION PER YEAR.

(06-06-2016 11:40 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 07:45 PM)Noodles Wrote:  To hell with ECU.

Sorry you feel that way. I miss playing USM, probably my favorite series ECU had aside from NC State. A game I circled on the calendar every year.

It's only the butt hurt Southern Miss fans that feel that way.

Well let's look at this.

Everyone says a conference championship game is worth at least (some say around) $1 million.

Since ESPN has football and CBS has basketball- I'm going to say there is around $2 million of the contract.

From there, I have no clue where the other $7 million would come from. Keep in mind though, ESPN and CBS are still getting good quality games to broadcast. They might only have 5 games each, but they get their pick among 14 teams. No doubt they took the most valuable regular season games we had. If they pay $1 million for a championship game, I would say they pay at least that for the 5 most valuable regular season games.

In all I would guess that ESPN and CBS are paying at least $2 million to $2.5 million each. So in total I would say they are paying at least $4-5 million dollars of the contract.

BTW, I have no clue. Just rambling thoughts out loud.