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ISU President: Annually reseeding Big 12 divisions a possibility
Interesting take from ISU's President on the recent meeting.

Story here: ISU President on Recent B12 Meeting

Interesting tidbits on expansion and divisions:
Quote:I don’t feel compelled to expand away from the 10-team format,” Leath told reporters at the state Board of Regents meeting. “We’re getting $30 million a year revenue distribution with a round-robin (schedule). But if the right school showed up, I’d be receptive.”

Quote:I think they have to compete at a high level, but it’s not to me just about performance in athletics,” he said. “It’s got to be the kind of school that adds value to the league. An academically successful school playing by the rules that gives everyone the right impression that this is a first-class league going forward

Quote:Athletic and academic prowess are factors, as is geography. There’s no specific timetable. League member West Virginia requiring a travel partner “is less of an issue than some people perceive.” Potential candidate BYU avoiding Sunday competitions is “certainly a topic of discussion.”

“But we’d have to figure out how significant that is,” Leath said.

When asked if the Big 12 would remain at 10 teams by the time the league’s media rights contracts expire after the 2024-25 school year, Leath said, “I would be surprised.”

Quote:The Big 12’s divisional football structure offers plenty of possibilities. The teams will continue to play a nine-game round-robin schedule. Rivalry preservation will play a role, and geography will figure into the discussion. But the league also could alter divisions and schedules annually.
“Should it be a semi-permanent — nothing’s ever permanent — or should it be reseeded every year?” Leath asked. “The idea of reseeding ever year is particularly intriguing because it differentiates us as a league and keeps the league really vibrant, exciting, fresh. If we do that, other leagues will say, ‘Wow that’s a really neat idea.’ We’ll see where the other ADs come down, but that’s certainly creating a buzz right now.”
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RE: ISU President: Annually reseeding Big 12 divisions a possibility
Since they're going to continue playing a full round-robin, then the make-up of the divisions don't matter beyond the fact that the winner of each division gets to play in the CCG.

So the idea of making new divisions every year basically just means they're going to try to guess who the two best teams in the conf will be each year --- and they're of course going to guess wrong.
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RE: ISU President: Annually reseeding Big 12 divisions a possibility
I don't hate the idea as you could level things out more year to year. No it's not perfect and teams surprise, but not being able to fully predict doesn't mean you can't get a good general feeling for balance.

That said, it would also introduce a bit more unbalance with it. With 2 fixed divisions, you could have one division have 5 home games one year and other division the next (so your divisional opponents are on a level playing field). With rotating divisions you couldn't do that.

All this said, my vote is still for no divisions. Match-up the 2 best at the end of the year. Once in awhile you'll get a rematch in back to back weeks, but that's not the end of the world.
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RE: ISU President: Annually reseeding Big 12 divisions a possibility
Well, when a president, who gets the vote on such matters, says something like:

Quote:“It’s got to be the kind of school that adds value to the league. An academically successful school playing by the rules that gives everyone the right impression that this is a first-class league going forward

That cuts the field down. Some of these people will never look past flagships or ivy-lites.

Probably not good for BYU, either.
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RE: ISU President: Annually reseeding Big 12 divisions a possibility
(06-10-2016 11:03 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Well, when a president, who gets the vote on such matters, says something like:

Quote:“It’s got to be the kind of school that adds value to the league. An academically successful school playing by the rules that gives everyone the right impression that this is a first-class league going forward

That cuts the field down. Some of these people will never look past flagships or ivy-lites.

Probably not good for BYU, either.


It is the exact opposite than what Boren said. Boren said it did not have to be academics, but who can field the best teams that could draw fans and viewers alike that can bring a possible Big 12 Network, and a much better tv contract. Adding a strong academics school who brings nothing of media value will kill the conference. Glad this guy is not in the making of expanding because if his school do not except schools like BYU, Boise State, Cincinnati, East Carolina and Memphis as possible candidates? His school could be left and regulated to the G5 ranks.
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The teams will continue to play a nine-game round-robin schedule. Rivalry preservation will play a role, and geography will figure into the discussion.
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If you are playing a 9 game round-robin, you cannot possibly miss a conference rival, can you?
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RE: ISU President: Annually reseeding Big 12 divisions a possibility
(06-10-2016 11:13 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(06-10-2016 11:03 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Well, when a president, who gets the vote on such matters, says something like:

Quote:“It’s got to be the kind of school that adds value to the league. An academically successful school playing by the rules that gives everyone the right impression that this is a first-class league going forward

That cuts the field down. Some of these people will never look past flagships or ivy-lites.

Probably not good for BYU, either.


It is the exact opposite than what Boren said. Boren said it did not have to be academics, but who can field the best teams that could draw fans and viewers alike that can bring a possible Big 12 Network, and a much better tv contract. Adding a strong academics school who brings nothing of media value will kill the conference. Glad this guy is not in the making of expanding because if his school do not except schools like BYU, Boise State, Cincinnati, East Carolina and Memphis as possible candidates? His school could be left and regulated to the G5 ranks.

You mean relegated? I honestly couldn't give two tinker's damn what the ISU President thanks about anything. Take your lottery money and STHU.
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RE: ISU President: Annually reseeding Big 12 divisions a possibility
(06-10-2016 11:15 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(06-10-2016 09:38 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  

The teams will continue to play a nine-game round-robin schedule. Rivalry preservation will play a role, and geography will figure into the discussion.
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If you are playing a 9 game round-robin, you cannot possibly miss a conference rival, can you?
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A lot of folks missed that. In a round robin, you don't need to preserve rivalries, b/c you play everybody. And you also don't have to worry about geography, if your current teams are set.

Just more evidence they are expanding, and just haven't announced the teams yet.
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RE: ISU President: Annually reseeding Big 12 divisions a possibility
(06-10-2016 11:13 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  His school could be left and regulated to the G5 ranks.

ISU is a football wasteland, but still fills its stadium and travels. It's a significantly sized school and it's AAU.

ISU will retain their place at the major's table. I wouldn't be surprised who'd line up to take them, even if we hear Big Ten people say "not us" all of the time.

ISU's president can be that kind of snob, if that's what he really means with that quote. His school will be fine.
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RE: ISU President: Annually reseeding Big 12 divisions a possibility
(06-10-2016 11:13 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(06-10-2016 11:03 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Well, when a president, who gets the vote on such matters, says something like:

Quote:“It’s got to be the kind of school that adds value to the league. An academically successful school playing by the rules that gives everyone the right impression that this is a first-class league going forward

That cuts the field down. Some of these people will never look past flagships or ivy-lites.

Probably not good for BYU, either.


It is the exact opposite than what Boren said. Boren said it did not have to be academics, but who can field the best teams that could draw fans and viewers alike that can bring a possible Big 12 Network, and a much better tv contract. Adding a strong academics school who brings nothing of media value will kill the conference. Glad this guy is not in the making of expanding because if his school do not except schools like BYU, Boise State, Cincinnati, East Carolina and Memphis as possible candidates? His school could be left and regulated to the G5 ranks.

The round robin ensure ISU gets $30 million disbursements, trips into Texas and has either the Longhorns or Sooners visiting Ames every year. At this point expansion is like Schrödinger's cat for the B12. Opening that box might result in lower payments or even discovering that OU and UT aren't willing to sign a GOR extension. Better to just stick with what you know.
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RE: ISU President: Annually reseeding Big 12 divisions a possibility
(06-10-2016 12:58 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  ISU is a football wasteland, but still fills its stadium and travels. It's a significantly sized school and it's AAU.

ISU will retain their place at the major's table. I wouldn't be surprised who'd line up to take them, even if we hear Big Ten people say "not us" all of the time.

Iowa State has excellent attendance for both football and basketball. Their fan support is so solid that a few years ago, a bowl game chose ISU over Missouri because of ISU's history of supporting their team at bowl games.
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RE: ISU President: Annually reseeding Big 12 divisions a possibility
(06-10-2016 11:15 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(06-10-2016 09:38 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  

The teams will continue to play a nine-game round-robin schedule. Rivalry preservation will play a role, and geography will figure into the discussion.
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If you are playing a 9 game round-robin, you cannot possibly miss a conference rival, can you?
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If they go to divisions, they don't have to play 9 conference games. You have to play all the schools in your division and any number from the other division to have the CCG. They'd have the luxury of playing 8 and missing one conference team every year.

They could play it like the Big East used to, and guess the two best teams, and have them play on Championship Saturday. Sometimes you get it right, sometimes you don't.
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RE: ISU President: Annually reseeding Big 12 divisions a possibility
(06-10-2016 12:58 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(06-10-2016 11:13 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  His school could be left and regulated to the G5 ranks.

ISU is a football wasteland, but still fills its stadium and travels. It's a significantly sized school and it's AAU.

ISU will retain their place at the major's table. I wouldn't be surprised who'd line up to take them, even if we hear Big Ten people say "not us" all of the time.

ISU's president can be that kind of snob, if that's what he really means with that quote. His school will be fine.


That is 0ld school thinking since the 1900s. There is no support in this and age for having snobs in college sports. Boren, the PAC 12 commish and others know this, and a change should take place. Academics should not play a role in this at all. Adding Boise State with their strong athletics into the conference could draw people to them than without.
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RE: ISU President: Annually reseeding Big 12 divisions a possibility
(06-11-2016 12:10 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(06-10-2016 12:58 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(06-10-2016 11:13 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  His school could be left and regulated to the G5 ranks.

ISU is a football wasteland, but still fills its stadium and travels. It's a significantly sized school and it's AAU.

ISU will retain their place at the major's table. I wouldn't be surprised who'd line up to take them, even if we hear Big Ten people say "not us" all of the time.

ISU's president can be that kind of snob, if that's what he really means with that quote. His school will be fine.


That is 0ld school thinking since the 1900s. There is no support in this and age for having snobs in college sports. Boren, the PAC 12 commish and others know this, and a change should take place. Academics should not play a role in this at all. Adding Boise State with their strong athletics into the conference could draw people to them than without.

Academics will play a role wether you think they should or not because academics matter a whole lot to the only people making the decision: the university presidents.

Now how much they matter is a function of how secure a conference is. The PAC can tell BSU to eff off forever thanks to security of their geography. So can the SEC and B1G. Now the B12 will most likely have to go to G5s but again, they have the choice of which ones and the will favor someone like Cinci over Boise.
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(06-10-2016 12:58 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(06-10-2016 11:13 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  His school could be left and regulated to the G5 ranks.

ISU is a football wasteland, but still fills its stadium and travels. It's a significantly sized school and it's AAU.

ISU will retain their place at the major's table. I wouldn't be surprised who'd line up to take them, even if we hear Big Ten people say "not us" all of the time.

ISU's president can be that kind of snob, if that's what he really means with that quote. His school will be fine.
The primary question to g5 members seeking admittance to a p5 is. Can you bring 30 million dollars worth of value. Conference members do not want to split the pie. Does iowa state bring 50 million or more to the big ten. No
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(06-10-2016 02:36 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(06-10-2016 12:58 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  ISU is a football wasteland, but still fills its stadium and travels. It's a significantly sized school and it's AAU.

ISU will retain their place at the major's table. I wouldn't be surprised who'd line up to take them, even if we hear Big Ten people say "not us" all of the time.

Iowa State has excellent attendance for both football and basketball. Their fan support is so solid that a few years ago, a bowl game chose ISU over Missouri because of ISU's history of supporting their team at bowl games.

Yeah, exactly. Supportive fans, 35K enrollment, AAU, land-grant...who cares about the market or football success? If there was a FBS reset, and one had to build the P5 from scratch, no way in the blazes is ISU not placed back into it. They're probably the fourth best B12 asset now, honestly.
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Iowa State have no value since they are not in a heavy population area.
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(06-11-2016 10:52 AM)rosewater Wrote:  
(06-10-2016 12:58 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(06-10-2016 11:13 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  His school could be left and regulated to the G5 ranks.

ISU is a football wasteland, but still fills its stadium and travels. It's a significantly sized school and it's AAU.

ISU will retain their place at the major's table. I wouldn't be surprised who'd line up to take them, even if we hear Big Ten people say "not us" all of the time.

ISU's president can be that kind of snob, if that's what he really means with that quote. His school will be fine.
The primary question to g5 members seeking admittance to a p5 is. Can you bring 30 million dollars worth of value. Conference members do not want to split the pie. Does iowa state bring 50 million or more to the big ten. No

...but, didn't the conference have a plan to potentially take them if the B12 fell apart? The value component isn't specific to individual pull; there is use for the combo.

It's been tough for me to consider whether the Big Ten makes good decisions on that front. They are their own self-absorbed, elitist brand. When they took Penn State, the conference played hard-ball with its conference season, essentially October and November. Penn State could have kept the Pitt series, but it had to change when the game would be played. And think about the value of that series, what that game brought to both schools and the network that aired it when it played. When you consider how stupid and petty that is, because, face it, that game brought more value than anything within the Big Ten other than UM-OSU, which, to the Big Ten administrators, couldn't EVER be remotely eclipsed by any fraction, one can't say "the Big Ten knows its business and knows what it's doing." The Big Ten could have taken a big share from that game as a collective...it stuck to its cultist ways, instead. Same with Big Ten schools with relationships with Notre Dame. Yeah, they make big money...but, I've always thought they could and should be making more by now, and that's because they simply don't understand the value of its own inventory. The conference already severed Nebraska from Penn State, and that game had value. UNL's been severed from the east's big three now...there wasn't a lot of good thought put into a lot of these decisions. I don't doubt, the way the conference advised Maryland to handle its move, burning bridges with all of those ACC schools won't also cost the conference easy pay-days from proven content. The conference decisions do, however, ooze with academic hubris and politics, though.
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I grabbed this off the b12 forums.

These are WSJ rankings of college football teams worth, seems like it would be about the same
wsj.com/articles/how-much-is-your-favorite-college-football-team-worth-1452473476

2 Texas 885.05
6 Oklahoma 674.34
22 Oklahoma State 293.72
25 Kansas State 270.15
27 Texas Tech 258.53
42 Iowa State 170.62
52 Texas Christian 106.14
57 Kansas 98.42
60 Baylor 89.69
64 West Virginia 81.80

I think Weat Virginia is way more valuable but it has do with potential. With Iowa State supporting athletics and our school hoping to get into the top ten largest schools our ceiling could be high in the future.
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this proposal makes no sense at all

if they are stupid enough to keep playing 9 conference games then the only thing more stupid would be to do it in divisions......well that is not true more stupid than that would be to play 9 conference games in divisions and then annually try and swap those divisions up so the best teams meet in the CCG

this when you could instead not have divisions, be stupid enough to play 9 conference games and then be able to match the two best teams in the CCG every year

this is why the Big 12 has the ADs and the staff of the conference looking at how to make the CCG work instead of the presidents and chancellors of the university
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