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(06-16-2016 10:19 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Delaney asked everyone said no except Maryland....

"Commissioner Jim Delany told CBSSports.com that his league entered confidentiality agreements with possibly six or more schools to protect conversations about conference membership....."

So at least 5 said no....

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...expansion/

The B1G puts everyone they speak with under confidentially agreements. Nothing new. The original list back in 2009/2010 were 15 schools. Out of those 15, three are in the B1G already.

It is likely that list of 15 ends up at 5, which is a major achievement.
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NebFan,

Virginia and ... ?

I'd take Iowa St or Missouri for the West, but probably no dice on either.
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(06-16-2016 11:12 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  NebFan,

Virginia and ... ?

I'd take Iowa St or Missouri for the West, but probably no dice on either.

The list of 15 was not made public, but I have been able to find the following schools that were vetted:

Notre Dame
Oklahoma
A&M
Iowa State
Kansas
Missouri
UVA
UNC
Duke
Rutgers
Maryland
Nebraska
Georgia Tech

Vandy was vetted recently. Kansas and Oklahoma were vetted as tranvel partners post signing of the GOR.

Original list back in 2010 for the first group was: Iowa State, Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and A&M. That would have put the conference at 16 teams.

In the end, I bet Delany finishes things off at the 18 mark and then retires.

Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas.

I don't see the ACC schools being available anymore before Delany retires. The ACC will be getting some sort of network and that will stabilie their schools for several years.

So the move west to create a western division that goes south is the move that I see Delany making before he retires.

The plan in 2010 was thinking about making a division made up of:

Oklahoma
Wisconsin
Nebraska
Texas A&M
Iowa
Iowa State
Minnesota
Kansas

IL, NW and Purdue would have been put in the east.

Kansas and Oklahoma are still there for the taking. Then add in Missouri. Texas is the wildcard. Getting those schools brings back the Kansas vs Missouri rivalry and the Nebraska vs Oklahoma rivalry.

The other realignment mistake that was made several years ago was West Virginia not going to the ACC or the SEC. West Virginia should go to the ACC so they can get their true rivalry back too.
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(06-16-2016 08:24 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  
(06-16-2016 08:01 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(06-15-2016 04:36 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  http://www.landgrantholyland.com/2016/6/...nd-Rutgers

"Rutgers is still terrible at almost everything"

"Maryland is good at sports that the conference doesn’t care about, less good at the ones it does"

Hey... Every conference needs a bottom feeder(s).

For a long time that was Northwestern in the Big Ten. Now, it's Rutgers.

Just keep sending Christmas cards to all the B12 presidents and maybe one day your wish will come true.

Keep thanking your lucky stars that RU is located where it is, else you'd be on your knees the same as us. Just keep quiet, cash your check, and try to pretend nothing else matters.
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(06-16-2016 09:39 AM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  Not sure why everyone likes to dump on Rutgers. They were BE co-champions in 2012 along with Cincinnati, Louisville and Syracuse. I'm sure they'll get their act together.

It's a bit comical that was the nicest thing you could come up with. Not exactly a ringing endorsement.
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Neb,

You know as well as anyone that Texas will only join a conference if it's allowed to keep its secondary TV rights locked up in the LHN and without having to share any revenue from that deal with conference members. Obvious the Big Ten and SEC would never allow that, so they're out.

Missouri belongs to the SEC, so more than likely they're out.

Oklahoma and Kansas by themselves don't bring many cable subs or much market, especially with loyalties in the state being split between two flagships. So they're out, by themselves.


Big Ten is content to wait out the ACC for more additions that bring significant value to the BTN and the conference's primary media rights.
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Missouri would make the move to the B1G. I think it was in the 90's some business leaders in the state of Missouri tried to get Missouri into the B1G and they tried to get into the B1G a few years ago.

The only school in the SEC that would take a serious look at leaving that conference would be Missouri and that would only be for the B1G.

Getting Missouri to the B1G would allow the B1G an opportunity to make Chicago to Dallas all B1G markets.

I know that you and I will disagree on some of the stuff for western expansion, which is fine, but I feel that this would be the best option for the conference since Kansas City and St. Louis are important recruiting areas for the western schools of the B1G.

There are a lot of B1G alumni and Midwest transplants that live in Texas.
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But as we just agreed, it's impossible for Texas to join the Big Ten.
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Nebraska, I'm surprised UConn isn't on the list. On a one-to-one comparison basis, I would place UConn over both Kansas and Missouri. But obviously there's more fish to catch in the Midwest than in the Northeast.
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Have anybody seen the tv ratings for the ACC? If you are not named FSU, Clemson or Georgia Tech? You get less viewers than most of the G5 for the other ACC schools. Even North Dakota State and Montana got more viewers. Duke will never ever be in the Big 10. They are the worst of all of the P5 schools with attendance. Miami Florida is cooking their books. There is no way they are averaging over 50,000 fans for football. I have seen their home games on tv that half of their stadium is emptied. I say they should be around 30,000 fans.
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(06-16-2016 01:43 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  Nebraska, I'm surprised UConn isn't on the list. On a one-to-one comparison basis, I would place UConn over both Kansas and Missouri. But obviously there's more fish to catch in the Midwest than in the Northeast.

UCONN did not meet the metrics to make the list. The firm the company submited to the B1G had 15 schools.
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Connecticut has roughly equivalent population/market/cable subs as Oklahoma: low end. Probably is a wealthier market, though.

Nonetheless, UConn - like OU - is a middling research school that isn't AAU. Those factors should combine together to take them both off "the list".
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(06-16-2016 08:26 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Anyone else note that this nice little comparison chart was put together by a Nebraska newspaper....

The whole thing screams of "hey look we don't suck as bad as the two other new guys"....

Reality is nobody has been invited to any P5 conference because of how they perform on the field or on the court except Louisville.

1. Rutgers to The Big 10 = Academics/Location
2. Maryland to The Big 10 = Academics/Location
3. Syracuse to The ACC = Academics / Location
4. Pittsburgh to The ACC = Academics / Location
5. WVU to The Big 12 = Availability (Brand?)
6. TCU to The Big 12 = Availability (Already leaving MWC)
7. Colorado to The PAC = Academics/Location
8. Utah to The PAC = Location
9. A&M to The SEC = Location
10. Missouri to The SEC = Location

Fixed it for you, but I agree with the overall sentiment.
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(06-16-2016 09:51 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  
(06-15-2016 09:01 PM)brista21 Wrote:  
(06-15-2016 06:33 PM)Rich52c Wrote:  
(06-15-2016 06:18 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Brutal

Rutgers is lead by a classic failure as president.
If Ohio St had Barchi as president they would also stink.
Also New Jersey has an idiot as governor and Ohio has a great governor.
Lousy leadership does count.

First off, relax. I somehow picture you getting red in the face and screaming this out. It's a message board man, not real life issues.

Second, NJ and OH both have idiot governors. Kasich only being slightly less of on idiot and less corrupt, but that's a discussion for the Spin Room.

Third, Barchi's been the one to make the moves to hire Pat Hobbs and with Hobbs to hire Ash and Pikiell. Barchi on the academic side of things, you know the actual purpose for the school, has been very, very good. As an undergraduate under McCormick and an MBA student under Barchi, Barchi's been getting things done and changing things that needed changing. McCormick was much more incremental at best.

Patt Hobbs is a big time friend of Christie(was his ethics coordinator at 75k per year now he 575k per year)
The star Ledger had him on their state Christmas tree.
The new deputy AD former head of athletic development actually runs the department and gets the gifts.
Can you provide some proof that Baumgartner is the one running the department?
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(06-16-2016 11:49 AM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  
(06-16-2016 11:12 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  NebFan,

Virginia and ... ?

I'd take Iowa St or Missouri for the West, but probably no dice on either.

The list of 15 was not made public, but I have been able to find the following schools that were vetted:

Notre Dame
Oklahoma
A&M
Iowa State
Kansas
Missouri
UVA
UNC
Duke
Rutgers
Maryland
Nebraska
Georgia Tech

Vandy was vetted recently. Kansas and Oklahoma were vetted as tranvel partners post signing of the GOR.

Original list back in 2010 for the first group was: Iowa State, Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and A&M. That would have put the conference at 16 teams.

In the end, I bet Delany finishes things off at the 18 mark and then retires.

Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas.

I don't see the ACC schools being available anymore before Delany retires. The ACC will be getting some sort of network and that will stabilie their schools for several years.

So the move west to create a western division that goes south is the move that I see Delany making before he retires.

The plan in 2010 was thinking about making a division made up of:

Oklahoma
Wisconsin
Nebraska
Texas A&M
Iowa
Iowa State
Minnesota
Kansas

IL, NW and Purdue would have been put in the east.

Kansas and Oklahoma are still there for the taking. Then add in Missouri. Texas is the wildcard. Getting those schools brings back the Kansas vs Missouri rivalry and the Nebraska vs Oklahoma rivalry.

The other realignment mistake that was made several years ago was West Virginia not going to the ACC or the SEC. West Virginia should go to the ACC so they can get their true rivalry back too.

Neither ND nor Texas were vetted by the consultant group since their value was known. So ND was not on the list, just as the Longhorns were not on the list (per Alvarez himself in February of 2010 regarding Texas). I think Texas replaces Iowa State in the potential Western division you have above, at least at the time the consultant was actually hired to do the vetting. Maybe Iowa State was added after it became apparent that the B1G was not going to get Texas, Texas A&M, and ND?

Anyway, the original list of 15 were those besides ND and Texas. Remember back in 2010 Texas and ND were in constant communication with each other which kept going even after both decided the B1G wasn't the answer at that time for either of them. This explains why Texas was so adamant in trying to get ND on board as a partial two years later.

Eleven of the other 12 you listed were on the original list of names I received from a Penn State board of trustees member at that time. Iowa State was not on the list I received. But then, I have seen other lists that included the likes of Kentucky and West Virginia on it. So I suppose anything is possible when getting down to the last four.

Cheers,
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(06-16-2016 11:49 AM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  
(06-16-2016 11:12 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  NebFan,

Virginia and ... ?

I'd take Iowa St or Missouri for the West, but probably no dice on either.

The list of 15 was not made public, but I have been able to find the following schools that were vetted:

Notre Dame
Oklahoma
A&M
Iowa State
Kansas
Missouri
UVA
UNC
Duke
Rutgers
Maryland
Nebraska
Georgia Tech

Vandy was vetted recently. Kansas and Oklahoma were vetted as tranvel partners post signing of the GOR.

Original list back in 2010 for the first group was: Iowa State, Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and A&M. That would have put the conference at 16 teams.

In the end, I bet Delany finishes things off at the 18 mark and then retires.

Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas.

I don't see the ACC schools being available anymore before Delany retires. The ACC will be getting some sort of network and that will stabilie their schools for several years.

So the move west to create a western division that goes south is the move that I see Delany making before he retires.

The plan in 2010 was thinking about making a division made up of:

Oklahoma
Wisconsin
Nebraska
Texas A&M
Iowa
Iowa State
Minnesota
Kansas

IL, NW and Purdue would have been put in the east.

Kansas and Oklahoma are still there for the taking. Then add in Missouri. Texas is the wildcard. Getting those schools brings back the Kansas vs Missouri rivalry and the Nebraska vs Oklahoma rivalry.

The other realignment mistake that was made several years ago was West Virginia not going to the ACC or the SEC. West Virginia should go to the ACC so they can get their true rivalry back too.
Damn I wish this would've happened. I want to play schools that are closer to us. I loved the old big 12. I don't want the big 12 to fail because we would have to crawl our way to another power conference. Sucks to see what could've happened.
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(06-16-2016 05:56 PM)omniorange Wrote:  
(06-16-2016 11:49 AM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  
(06-16-2016 11:12 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  NebFan,

Virginia and ... ?

I'd take Iowa St or Missouri for the West, but probably no dice on either.

The list of 15 was not made public, but I have been able to find the following schools that were vetted:

Notre Dame
Oklahoma
A&M
Iowa State
Kansas
Missouri
UVA
UNC
Duke
Rutgers
Maryland
Nebraska
Georgia Tech

Vandy was vetted recently. Kansas and Oklahoma were vetted as tranvel partners post signing of the GOR.

Original list back in 2010 for the first group was: Iowa State, Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and A&M. That would have put the conference at 16 teams.

In the end, I bet Delany finishes things off at the 18 mark and then retires.

Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas.

I don't see the ACC schools being available anymore before Delany retires. The ACC will be getting some sort of network and that will stabilie their schools for several years.

So the move west to create a western division that goes south is the move that I see Delany making before he retires.

The plan in 2010 was thinking about making a division made up of:

Oklahoma
Wisconsin
Nebraska
Texas A&M
Iowa
Iowa State
Minnesota
Kansas

IL, NW and Purdue would have been put in the east.

Kansas and Oklahoma are still there for the taking. Then add in Missouri. Texas is the wildcard. Getting those schools brings back the Kansas vs Missouri rivalry and the Nebraska vs Oklahoma rivalry.

The other realignment mistake that was made several years ago was West Virginia not going to the ACC or the SEC. West Virginia should go to the ACC so they can get their true rivalry back too.

Neither ND nor Texas were vetted by the consultant group since their value was known. So ND was not on the list, just as the Longhorns were not on the list (per Alvarez himself in February of 2010 regarding Texas). I think Texas replaces Iowa State in the potential Western division you have above, at least at the time the consultant was actually hired to do the vetting. Maybe Iowa State was added after it became apparent that the B1G was not going to get Texas, Texas A&M, and ND?

Anyway, the original list of 15 were those besides ND and Texas. Remember back in 2010 Texas and ND were in constant communication with each other which kept going even after both decided the B1G wasn't the answer at that time for either of them. This explains why Texas was so adamant in trying to get ND on board as a partial two years later.

Eleven of the other 12 you listed were on the original list of names I received from a Penn State board of trustees member at that time. Iowa State was not on the list I received. But then, I have seen other lists that included the likes of Kentucky and West Virginia on it. So I suppose anything is possible when getting down to the last four.

Cheers,
Neil

You are wrong. Notre Dame was on the list. Notre Dame was offered. Notre Dame was told to take their sport or it goes to Rutgers.

The 15 didn't include Texas. Texas was it's own list and was not apart of the 2010 grouping.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/badgers/84822917.html
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(06-16-2016 06:06 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  
(06-16-2016 11:49 AM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  
(06-16-2016 11:12 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  NebFan,

Virginia and ... ?

I'd take Iowa St or Missouri for the West, but probably no dice on either.

The list of 15 was not made public, but I have been able to find the following schools that were vetted:

Notre Dame
Oklahoma
A&M
Iowa State
Kansas
Missouri
UVA
UNC
Duke
Rutgers
Maryland
Nebraska
Georgia Tech

Vandy was vetted recently. Kansas and Oklahoma were vetted as tranvel partners post signing of the GOR.

Original list back in 2010 for the first group was: Iowa State, Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and A&M. That would have put the conference at 16 teams.

In the end, I bet Delany finishes things off at the 18 mark and then retires.

Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas.

I don't see the ACC schools being available anymore before Delany retires. The ACC will be getting some sort of network and that will stabilie their schools for several years.

So the move west to create a western division that goes south is the move that I see Delany making before he retires.

The plan in 2010 was thinking about making a division made up of:

Oklahoma
Wisconsin
Nebraska
Texas A&M
Iowa
Iowa State
Minnesota
Kansas

IL, NW and Purdue would have been put in the east.

Kansas and Oklahoma are still there for the taking. Then add in Missouri. Texas is the wildcard. Getting those schools brings back the Kansas vs Missouri rivalry and the Nebraska vs Oklahoma rivalry.

The other realignment mistake that was made several years ago was West Virginia not going to the ACC or the SEC. West Virginia should go to the ACC so they can get their true rivalry back too.
Damn I wish this would've happened. I want to play schools that are closer to us. I loved the old big 12. I don't want the big 12 to fail because we would have to crawl our way to another power conference. Sucks to see what could've happened.

It would have went down if they didn't let the money talk get the best of them. They didn't get to the formal stage.

Things would be a lot different today if that went down.

Fast forward to today and I think they can revisit the old 2010 plan with some adjustments to get to 18 teams.
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(06-16-2016 11:58 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(06-16-2016 08:24 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  
(06-16-2016 08:01 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(06-15-2016 04:36 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  http://www.landgrantholyland.com/2016/6/...nd-Rutgers

"Rutgers is still terrible at almost everything"

"Maryland is good at sports that the conference doesn’t care about, less good at the ones it does"

Hey... Every conference needs a bottom feeder(s).

For a long time that was Northwestern in the Big Ten. Now, it's Rutgers.

Just keep sending Christmas cards to all the B12 presidents and maybe one day your wish will come true.

Keep thanking your lucky stars that RU is located where it is, else you'd be on your knees the same as us. Just keep quiet, cash your check, and try to pretend nothing else matters.

I never denied that we hit the lottery by getting invited to the BIG TEN. Envy is a terrible shade of green on Cincy fans. But don't worry, you can rest assured that you are now firmly entrenched as a member of a stable AAC for the foreseeable future.
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(06-16-2016 08:26 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Anyone else note that this nice little comparison chart was put together by a Nebraska newspaper....

The whole thing screams of "hey look we don't suck as bad as the two other new guys"....

Reality is nobody has been invited to any P5 conference because of how they perform on the field or on the court except Louisville.

1. Rutgers to The Big 10 = Location
2. Maryland to The Big 10 = Location
3. Syracuse to The ACC = Academics / Location
4. Pittsburgh to The ACC = Academics / Location
5. WVU to The Big 12 = Availability (Brand?)
6. TCU to The Big 12 = Availability (Already leaving MWC)
7. Colorado to The PAC = Location
8. Utah to The PAC = Location
9. A&M to The SEC = Location
10. Missouri to The SEC = Location

You really mention academics for Cuse and Pitt but not Rutgers and Md? Was the criteria that Cuse and Pitt raise the academic standing of the ACC? What you miss for most of these schools is the obvious. It's not just location, but new markets in new states that brought new cable subscriptions.
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