eric, my earlier post was not in bad intentions. I get that you are laying out scripture. What you don't realize is the way you present your information. It has come across, from the first time I've seen you post anything religions, as "I know the answers to everything and you all are going to hell...." May just be my perception...but that is my critique.

(06-01-2016 01:12 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  eric, my earlier post was not in bad intentions. I get that you are laying out scripture. What you don't realize is the way you present your information. It has come across, from the first time I've seen you post anything religions, as "I know the answers to everything and you all are going to hell...unless you list and agree." May just be my perception...but that is my critique.

How in the world you come to that conclusion is beyond me. Your salvation is not even dependent on this, or anything I have ever posted here. Can you give an example of me saying anything like that?

I can only post so many times in one thread that I want people to study these verses for themselves and not worry about my personal opinions.

No matter how many times that gets posted, some just don't hear it.

(06-01-2016 01:17 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 01:12 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  eric, my earlier post was not in bad intentions. I get that you are laying out scripture. What you don't realize is the way you present your information. It has come across, from the first time I've seen you post anything religions, as "I know the answers to everything and you all are going to hell...unless you list and agree." May just be my perception...but that is my critique.

How in the word you come to that conclusion is beyond me. Your salvation is not even dependent on this, or anything I have ever posted here.

I can only post so many times that I want people to study these verses for themselves and not worry about my people opinions.

No matter how many times that gets posted, some just don't hear it.

That is why I edited the post.

That said, your presentation of stuff is the turn off. If you can't see that I can't make you, and that is fine.

(06-01-2016 01:19 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  That is why I edited the post.

That said, your presentation of stuff is the turn off. If you can't see that I can't make you, and that is fine.

Did you read post #1?

Can you at least give an example of what is a "turn off" in the way I laid out these verses?

If I did something wrong I would like to know so I avoid it in the future.

(06-01-2016 01:19 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 01:17 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 01:12 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  eric, my earlier post was not in bad intentions. I get that you are laying out scripture. What you don't realize is the way you present your information. It has come across, from the first time I've seen you post anything religions, as "I know the answers to everything and you all are going to hell...unless you list and agree." May just be my perception...but that is my critique.

How in the word you come to that conclusion is beyond me. Your salvation is not even dependent on this, or anything I have ever posted here.

I can only post so many times that I want people to study these verses for themselves and not worry about my people opinions.

No matter how many times that gets posted, some just don't hear it.

That is why I edited the post.

That said, your presentation of stuff is the turn off. If you can't see that I can't make you, and that is fine.

Bingo!

(05-26-2016 10:43 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Before I begin, understand that I am not interested in any bitter arguments over this issue. NO ONE is going to change their mind on a dime or after reading one or two posts. Those things take time, prayer, study and mediation on the scriptures. It does no one any good at all to bicker and get emotional about it, and does not bear any good fruit for anyone.

For those who already see the rapture in scripture, I just want to help arm you with the verses that prove the whole thing from MULTIPLE angles. If you are unsure, studying these scriptures should help you get a much better feel for it.

For those who are hardcore dogmatic AGAINST a pre trib or pre wrath rapture, I welcome any constructive posts and criticisms. Iron sharpens Iron.

I would only ask in advance that we stick to scriptures and not turn it into a "link" war. Doctrines on all sides of this issue have a gazillion possible links they could post, so lets not waste time with that. Lets just keep it simple, constructive and within the scriptures.

Feel free to share this info with others who may be interested.

Peace to you all

If you guys find this post to be a "turn off" or a problem, then you are clearly just seeing what you want to see.

(06-01-2016 01:55 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(05-26-2016 10:43 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Before I begin, understand that I am not interested in any bitter arguments over this issue. NO ONE is going to change their mind on a dime or after reading one or two posts. Those things take time, prayer, study and mediation on the scriptures. It does no one any good at all to bicker and get emotional about it, and does not bear any good fruit for anyone.

For those who already see the rapture in scripture, I just want to help arm you with the verses that prove the whole thing from MULTIPLE angles. If you are unsure, studying these scriptures should help you get a much better feel for it.

For those who are hardcore dogmatic AGAINST a pre trib or pre wrath rapture, I welcome any constructive posts and criticisms. Iron sharpens Iron.

I would only ask in advance that we stick to scriptures and not turn it into a "link" war. Doctrines on all sides of this issue have a gazillion possible links they could post, so lets not waste time with that. Lets just keep it simple, constructive and within the scriptures.

Feel free to share this info with others who may be interested.

Peace to you all

If you guys find this post to be a "turn off" or a problem, then you are clearly just seeing what you want to see.

That is the thing. I've never said anything about this post in particular. I've never even said anything about the content for that matter. There is a sense of "know it all" that comes with your posts. And if anyone questions you, you get very defensive and have a sense of arrogance.

Again, just an observation. And maybe it is the fact that it's written text rather than a vocal conversation. It just is what it is though.

(06-01-2016 03:45 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  That is the thing. I've never said anything about this post in particular. I've never even said anything about the content for that matter. There is a sense of "know it all" that comes with your posts. And if anyone questions you, you get very defensive and have a sense of arrogance.

Again, just an observation. And maybe it is the fact that it's written text rather than a vocal conversation. It just is what it is though.

And yet you can't seem to point a single example of this in the whole thread. Hmmmmm

I think this is just one of those issues that upsets people, and thus they often attack the messenger instead of just discussing the topic. You are clearly not looking to discuss the topic at all, you are just here to attack me personally.

I can only post so many times that I want people to study these verses for themselves and not worry about my personal opinions.

No matter how many times that gets posted, some just don't hear it.

Clearly I did nothing but present a lot for scripture here in a respectful manner. If you are offend by that, then you will just have to be offended. It is what it is.

(06-01-2016 04:24 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 03:45 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  That is the thing. I've never said anything about this post in particular. I've never even said anything about the content for that matter. There is a sense of "know it all" that comes with your posts. And if anyone questions you, you get very defensive and have a sense of arrogance.

Again, just an observation. And maybe it is the fact that it's written text rather than a vocal conversation. It just is what it is though.

I think this is just one of those issues that upsets people, and thus they often attack the messenger instead of just discussing the topic. You are clearly not looking to discuss the topic at all, you are just there to attack me personally.

I can only post so many times that I want people to study these verses for themselves and not worry about my personal opinions.

No matter how many times that gets posted, some just don't hear it.

Clearly I did nothing but present a lot for scripture here in a respectful manner. If you are offend by that, then you will just have to be offended. It is what it is.

I have attacked you at all. I'm trying to explain to you how your posting comes off. For some reason you seem to think scripture is the thing offending me...as if I'm persecuting you. I'm a fellow Christian. Scripture certainly doesn't offend me. I promise you I'm only trying to help you see why people take issue.

(06-01-2016 07:19 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  I have attacked you at all. I'm trying to explain to you how your posting comes off. For some reason you seem to think scripture is the thing offending me...as if I'm persecuting you. I'm a fellow Christian. Scripture certainly doesn't offend me. I promise you I'm only trying to help you see why people take issue.

You said you have a problem with the way I "laid the info out", but you can't point to a single example. The info is laid out on the first 6-7 posts. Were was the problem?

Plenty of people tell me they greatly appreciate these threads and info, your extremely negative reaction is the exception, not the norm.

A few posters attacking the messenger over the message is just part for the course on a topic like this.

The info was presented here in a very respectful manner to everyone. There is nothing here for you to honestly complain about.

Sorry for temporarily derailing your thread. Have a great Thursday

(06-02-2016 02:30 AM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  Sorry for temporarily derailing your thread. Have a great Thursday

Peace and grace to you my brother.