A bit off-topic, but I heard either Dari or Mel (of ESPN's Dari & Mel show) mention Louisiana Tech as a top three candidate for the Big 12 expansion.

(07-23-2016 10:00 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 10:23 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  No offense to ECU but I think the reason they will never be P5 is not just because their football has been average or maybe just slightly above average in the last couple decades but also because their basketball is so bad. I think they've only had 15 winning seasons in the last 50 years and only finished above .500 in conference play once in the last 20 years or so as well as 0-2 all time in the NCAA Tourney. Their attendance numbers are obviously P5 range for football but P5 conferences don't want schools that will be deadweight in basketball. Now, if they were a regular Top 25 football program, they might overlook the pitiful basketball program for awhile.

Obviously, regardless how well WKU's football program has performed recently or our basketball pedigree, WKU will never be P5 because we don't have the market nor the football attendance numbers. We are what we are...

Your narrative is oversimplified, here are at least two articles mentioning ECU as a candidate for Big 12. Not that hard to find them. Two years ago ECU was picked in by Bg 12 coaches as one of two teams along with Boise State ,as being good replacment candidates.
College football is fluid. Do i think we get i to the Big 12,absolutely not. There is more to college football and sports however than what you mentioned in your post.

http://m.newsok.com/article/5432044

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college-...rida-state


Dont think you want to compare WKU brand to ECU. WKU would not even get a glance in terms of AAc replacments. Marshall will imo get a great look and your school beat them recently. It doesnt matter because Marshall has a brand and story worth telling and highlighting.

As I said, ECU's football attendance numbers are great..P5 worthy. Multiple conferences would like ECU for football. That's a given. But, heck, even the BigEast only wanted ECU as football only. My point is that your basketball is why you'll never be considered for full membership in a P5 conference.

...and as I stated, WKU doesn't have a chance at a P5 either and also, I never attempted to compare ECU to WKU. As to WKU being a candidate for the AAC if Cincy, Houston, Memphis, UConn are gone, the AAC becomes no better than CUSA, and likely worse. The AAC would still have Tulsa (a strong complete athletic program) but I imagine they'd seek greener pastures given how far the AAC would fall.

(07-23-2016 10:26 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 10:00 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 10:23 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  No offense to ECU but I think the reason they will never be P5 is not just because their football has been average or maybe just slightly above average in the last couple decades but also because their basketball is so bad. I think they've only had 15 winning seasons in the last 50 years and only finished above .500 in conference play once in the last 20 years or so as well as 0-2 all time in the NCAA Tourney. Their attendance numbers are obviously P5 range for football but P5 conferences don't want schools that will be deadweight in basketball. Now, if they were a regular Top 25 football program, they might overlook the pitiful basketball program for awhile.

Obviously, regardless how well WKU's football program has performed recently or our basketball pedigree, WKU will never be P5 because we don't have the market nor the football attendance numbers. We are what we are...

Your narrative is oversimplified, here are at least two articles mentioning ECU as a candidate for Big 12. Not that hard to find them. Two years ago ECU was picked in by Bg 12 coaches as one of two teams along with Boise State ,as being good replacment candidates.
College football is fluid. Do i think we get i to the Big 12,absolutely not. There is more to college football and sports however than what you mentioned in your post.

http://m.newsok.com/article/5432044

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college-...rida-state


Dont think you want to compare WKU brand to ECU. WKU would not even get a glance in terms of AAc replacments. Marshall will imo get a great look and your school beat them recently. It doesnt matter because Marshall has a brand and story worth telling and highlighting.

As I said, ECU's football attendance numbers are great..P5 worthy. Multiple conferences would like ECU for football. That's a given. But, heck, even the BigEast only wanted ECU as football only. My point is that your basketball is why you'll never be considered for full membership in a P5 conference.

...and as I stated, WKU doesn't have a chance at a P5 either and also, I never attempted to compare ECU to WKU. As to WKU being a candidate for the AAC if Cincy, Houston, Memphis, UConn are gone, the AAC becomes no better than CUSA, and likely worse. The AAC would still have Tulsa (a strong complete athletic program) but I imagine they'd seek greener pastures given how far the AAC would fall.

Worse? In what way?Even if those three go,AAC still has stronger brands than all but Marshall and Southern Miss.

Lol...Gotta love the pre-season

(07-23-2016 10:35 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 10:26 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 10:00 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 10:23 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  No offense to ECU but I think the reason they will never be P5 is not just because their football has been average or maybe just slightly above average in the last couple decades but also because their basketball is so bad. I think they've only had 15 winning seasons in the last 50 years and only finished above .500 in conference play once in the last 20 years or so as well as 0-2 all time in the NCAA Tourney. Their attendance numbers are obviously P5 range for football but P5 conferences don't want schools that will be deadweight in basketball. Now, if they were a regular Top 25 football program, they might overlook the pitiful basketball program for awhile.

Obviously, regardless how well WKU's football program has performed recently or our basketball pedigree, WKU will never be P5 because we don't have the market nor the football attendance numbers. We are what we are...

Your narrative is oversimplified, here are at least two articles mentioning ECU as a candidate for Big 12. Not that hard to find them. Two years ago ECU was picked in by Bg 12 coaches as one of two teams along with Boise State ,as being good replacment candidates.
College football is fluid. Do i think we get i to the Big 12,absolutely not. There is more to college football and sports however than what you mentioned in your post.

http://m.newsok.com/article/5432044

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college-...rida-state


Dont think you want to compare WKU brand to ECU. WKU would not even get a glance in terms of AAc replacments. Marshall will imo get a great look and your school beat them recently. It doesnt matter because Marshall has a brand and story worth telling and highlighting.

As I said, ECU's football attendance numbers are great..P5 worthy. Multiple conferences would like ECU for football. That's a given. But, heck, even the BigEast only wanted ECU as football only. My point is that your basketball is why you'll never be considered for full membership in a P5 conference.

...and as I stated, WKU doesn't have a chance at a P5 either and also, I never attempted to compare ECU to WKU. As to WKU being a candidate for the AAC if Cincy, Houston, Memphis, UConn are gone, the AAC becomes no better than CUSA, and likely worse. The AAC would still have Tulsa (a strong complete athletic program) but I imagine they'd seek greener pastures given how far the AAC would fall.

Worse? In what way?Even if those three go,AAC still has stronger brands than all but Marshall and Southern Miss.

It looks like Apollo has hit you in your panties...because you are so pissed you can't even get the context of his post correct.

BASKETBALL... He was talking basketball. But then again I see why that wouldn't be your first thought. Of course Marshall and S. Miss has stronger brands than Western in football they been doing it a lot longer at this level. No Western fan would disagree with that for football. Overall sports is another thing. Then it's a lot closer. But Western is only going into it's 8th year...

(07-23-2016 10:47 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 10:35 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 10:26 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 10:00 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 10:23 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  No offense to ECU but I think the reason they will never be P5 is not just because their football has been average or maybe just slightly above average in the last couple decades but also because their basketball is so bad. I think they've only had 15 winning seasons in the last 50 years and only finished above .500 in conference play once in the last 20 years or so as well as 0-2 all time in the NCAA Tourney. Their attendance numbers are obviously P5 range for football but P5 conferences don't want schools that will be deadweight in basketball. Now, if they were a regular Top 25 football program, they might overlook the pitiful basketball program for awhile.

Obviously, regardless how well WKU's football program has performed recently or our basketball pedigree, WKU will never be P5 because we don't have the market nor the football attendance numbers. We are what we are...

Your narrative is oversimplified, here are at least two articles mentioning ECU as a candidate for Big 12. Not that hard to find them. Two years ago ECU was picked in by Bg 12 coaches as one of two teams along with Boise State ,as being good replacment candidates.
College football is fluid. Do i think we get i to the Big 12,absolutely not. There is more to college football and sports however than what you mentioned in your post.

http://m.newsok.com/article/5432044

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college-...rida-state


Dont think you want to compare WKU brand to ECU. WKU would not even get a glance in terms of AAc replacments. Marshall will imo get a great look and your school beat them recently. It doesnt matter because Marshall has a brand and story worth telling and highlighting.

As I said, ECU's football attendance numbers are great..P5 worthy. Multiple conferences would like ECU for football. That's a given. But, heck, even the BigEast only wanted ECU as football only. My point is that your basketball is why you'll never be considered for full membership in a P5 conference.

...and as I stated, WKU doesn't have a chance at a P5 either and also, I never attempted to compare ECU to WKU. As to WKU being a candidate for the AAC if Cincy, Houston, Memphis, UConn are gone, the AAC becomes no better than CUSA, and likely worse. The AAC would still have Tulsa (a strong complete athletic program) but I imagine they'd seek greener pastures given how far the AAC would fall.

Worse? In what way?Even if those three go,AAC still has stronger brands than all but Marshall and Southern Miss.

It looks like Apollo has hit you in your panties...because you are so pissed you can't even get the context of his post correct.

BASKETBALL... He was talking basketball. But then again I see why that wouldn't be your first thought. Of course Marshall and S. Miss has stronger brands than Western in football they been doing it a lot longer at this level. No Western fan would disagree with that for football. Overall sports is another thing. Then it's a lot closer. But Western is only going into it's 8th year...

I have very good comprehension skills, no where did he say in basketball. Not upset guy, i have no control over anything that happens in college sports. I am having a cogent non emotive back and forth with a WKU poster. Although the conversation was not with yiu, welcome aboard. Although it appears that we are now nn for a rather mercurial ride.

(07-23-2016 11:30 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 10:47 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 10:35 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 10:26 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 10:00 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  Your narrative is oversimplified, here are at least two articles mentioning ECU as a candidate for Big 12. Not that hard to find them. Two years ago ECU was picked in by Bg 12 coaches as one of two teams along with Boise State ,as being good replacment candidates.
College football is fluid. Do i think we get i to the Big 12,absolutely not. There is more to college football and sports however than what you mentioned in your post.

http://m.newsok.com/article/5432044

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college-...rida-state


Dont think you want to compare WKU brand to ECU. WKU would not even get a glance in terms of AAc replacments. Marshall will imo get a great look and your school beat them recently. It doesnt matter because Marshall has a brand and story worth telling and highlighting.

As I said, ECU's football attendance numbers are great..P5 worthy. Multiple conferences would like ECU for football. That's a given. But, heck, even the BigEast only wanted ECU as football only. My point is that your basketball is why you'll never be considered for full membership in a P5 conference.

...and as I stated, WKU doesn't have a chance at a P5 either and also, I never attempted to compare ECU to WKU. As to WKU being a candidate for the AAC if Cincy, Houston, Memphis, UConn are gone, the AAC becomes no better than CUSA, and likely worse. The AAC would still have Tulsa (a strong complete athletic program) but I imagine they'd seek greener pastures given how far the AAC would fall.

Worse? In what way?Even if those three go,AAC still has stronger brands than all but Marshall and Southern Miss.

It looks like Apollo has hit you in your panties...because you are so pissed you can't even get the context of his post correct.

BASKETBALL... He was talking basketball. But then again I see why that wouldn't be your first thought. Of course Marshall and S. Miss has stronger brands than Western in football they been doing it a lot longer at this level. No Western fan would disagree with that for football. Overall sports is another thing. Then it's a lot closer. But Western is only going into it's 8th year...

I have very good comprehension skills, no where did he say in basketball. Not upset guy, i have no control over anything that happens in college sports. I am having a cogent non emotive back and forth with a WKU poster. Although the conversation was not with yiu, welcome aboard. Although it appears that we are now nn for a rather mercurial ride.

Then change context to commonsense. What schools did Apollo leave out?

Navy, UCF, USF, ECU. When you think of those schools what do you think of first. Basketball or Football?

What schools did he say...Cincy, Memphis, UCONN and Tulsa. When you think of those schools what do you think of first. Basketball or Football?

As I said I can see why a ECU fan would not think basketball. But that is the context of his post.

(07-23-2016 02:16 AM)Realignment Wrote:  It depends who the AAC loses, but I think Rice is the obvious replacement for Houston. UMass should get a look and Air Force & Army as football-only members.

#1 What does a SoCal fan know about C-USA or the AAC?
#2 Rice is "obvious" because of what? They are in the same vicinity as UH? Therefore, Cal-Fullerton and Long Beach State for the PAC 10....errr....12....err whatever.
#3 After watching Warshington (yes, I know that's not the correct spelling) in the Hall of Fame Bowl, I'd say you better be worrying about them, not our situation.

Oh yeah, I do love the SoCal area, howevah....pretty gals, pretty beaches, pretty mountains, pretty deserts......and pretty crowded.

(07-23-2016 10:01 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  Wow. After being off the grid with in-laws for almost two weeks, I come home to a real mess. It took me half an hour just to catch up with this thread.

Here's a question for you Marshall fans. If a MAC team (say -- Northern Illinois) gets the invite and leaves for the AAC, would you guys support an invite to rejoin the MAC?

It might be a real possibility with the new administration in Huntington.

(07-23-2016 01:05 PM)Flat Tire 2 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 10:01 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  Wow. After being off the grid with in-laws for almost two weeks, I come home to a real mess. It took me half an hour just to catch up with this thread.

Here's a question for you Marshall fans. If a MAC team (say -- Northern Illinois) gets the invite and leaves for the AAC, would you guys support an invite to rejoin the MAC?

It might be a real possibility with the new administration in Huntington.

The MAC loses NIU and my guess would be they would go in with Illinois State.

If the MAC lost Buffalo than Marshall becomes the first choice.