The issue not libertys religion, its libertys officials rather public forays into politics.

http://wjla.com/news/nation-world/jerry-...ma-yo-mama
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-po...video.html
http://fortune.com/video/2016/07/21/jerr...nc-speech/


BYU has a far stricter morals code than Liberty but noone gives them problems because they are strictly apolitical , you would never see a byu president
at a GOP convention endorsing donald trump.

I totally agree about the political junk that Jr has jumped into. I would like for Liberty to be apolitical as well. If you want a speaker to come occasionally then that's no big deal, but endorsing a candidate is a poor choice. A large majority of Liberty fans and alumni would agree as well.

(07-25-2016 02:36 PM)voss749 Wrote:  The issue not libertys religion, its libertys officials rather public forays into politics.

http://wjla.com/news/nation-world/jerry-...ma-yo-mama
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-po...video.html
http://fortune.com/video/2016/07/21/jerr...nc-speech/


BYU has a far stricter morals code than Liberty but noone gives them problems because they are strictly apolitical , you would never see a byu president
at a GOP convention endorsing donald trump.

Agree 100%.

(07-25-2016 03:08 PM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  I totally agree about the political junk that Jr has jumped into. I would like for Liberty to be apolitical as well. If you want a speaker to come occasionally then that's no big deal, but endorsing a candidate is a poor choice. A large majority of Liberty fans and alumni would agree as well.

Agree 100%.

(07-25-2016 03:08 PM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  I totally agree about the political junk that Jr has jumped into. I would like for Liberty to be apolitical as well. If you want a speaker to come occasionally then that's no big deal, but endorsing a candidate is a poor choice. A large majority of Liberty fans and alumni would agree as well.

Especially Trump with his sham university. Liberty should not want to touch that with 200 foot pole. Liberty has a hard enough time getting online education taken seriously.

Who knows Jr's thinking, but if you listened to his speech at the RNC it almost appears he has romantized Trumps candidacy. He said it reminds him of his dad when he helped Reagan get elected. Either way I don't think it's appropriate for Jr to be endorsing either candidate.

I think it is safe to say that most, if not all, agree that Liberty (or more specifically Jerry Falwell, Jr.) shouldn't endorse/support political candidates.

So where do we draw the line at? Is it okay for Liberty to invite former Presidents of the United States to speak at commencement and/or convocation? Is it okay for Liberty to invite each Presidential candidate to at convocation, even if only Republican or Libertarian candidates will accept (unless you are Bernie Sanders)? Does Liberty speak out in favor or in opposition of political policies that are affecting America or the world? In my opinion, I would want Liberty to host a diverse collection of speakers to hear different thoughts and to make my own opinions of things. At the very least, I think it is cool to say things like, "I saw and heard Tim Tebow/Bobby Bowden/Frank Beamer/etc. speak at Liberty!"

I think Liberty can look to schools like Stanford, Northwestern, Duke, the Ivy League schools, and more to see schools that don't compromise academic standards just so they can be great at football. They see their fellow or former peers excel and win national championships but don't lower their academic standards so that they could accept just anyone with a pulse to play football and get more fame and fortune. I want Liberty to be like that with their Christian values which is why the school was founded to begin with.

(07-25-2016 04:43 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I think it is safe to say that most, if not all, agree that Liberty (or more specifically Jerry Falwell, Jr.) shouldn't endorse/support political candidates.

So where do we draw the line at? Is it okay for Liberty to invite former Presidents of the United States to speak at commencement and/or convocation? Is it okay for Liberty to invite each Presidential candidate to at convocation, even if only Republican or Libertarian candidates will accept (unless you are Bernie Sanders)? Does Liberty speak out in favor or in opposition of political policies that are affecting America or the world? In my opinion, I would want Liberty to host a diverse collection of speakers to hear different thoughts and to make my own opinions of things. At the very least, I think it is cool to say things like, "I saw and heard Tim Tebow/Bobby Bowden/Frank Beamer/etc. speak at Liberty!"

I think Liberty can look to schools like Stanford, Northwestern, Duke, the Ivy League schools, and more to see schools that don't compromise academic standards just so they can be great at football. They see their fellow or former peers excel and win national championships but don't lower their academic standards so that they could accept just anyone with a pulse to play football and get more fame and fortune. I want Liberty to be like that with their Christian values which is why the school was founded to begin with.

There is a world of difference between inviting a variety of speakers, politicians, activists and endorsing a political candidate and accepting a speaking invitation at a political convention. JFJr and LU are being used by Trump for his personal gain.

LU can retain it's identity as a religious school with forums, symposiums and events that present and popularize it's world view. JFJr just needs to tone it down and stay out of the political limelight.

It's amazing that LU lands all these top speakers for little or no fee. Hillary has an open invitation to speak at LU like all Presidential candidates. But she wants big $$$$.

Quote:At least eight universities, including four public institutions, have paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for Hillary Rodham Clinton to speak on their campuses over the past year, sparking a backlash from some student groups and teachers at a time of austerity in higher education.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...story.html

(07-27-2016 03:24 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  It's amazing that LU lands all these top speakers for little or no fee. Hillary has an open invitation to speak at LU like all Presidential candidates. But she wants big $$$$.

Quote:At least eight universities, including four public institutions, have paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for Hillary Rodham Clinton to speak on their campuses over the past year, sparking a backlash from some student groups and teachers at a time of austerity in higher education.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...story.html

Do you know she required a speaking fee when contacted by LU to speak or is this an assumption?

I have no problem separating Jr.'s personal endorsement from an institutional endorsement. It's not that complicated.

(07-28-2016 02:20 AM)army56mike Wrote:  I have no problem separating Jr.'s personal endorsement from an institutional endorsement. It's not that complicated.

While you may be comfortable with JFJr being a overt, vocal person expressing his conservative views, all media will always identify him with the school. He cannot escape that identity. Partly because LU has, in some ways, become a major player in the collegiate scene with it's mission and brand. The much wiser position would be to remain low key. Once LU has achieved FBS, he could then proceed as he has in the recent past, and like his dad in the past. That would be the best but it would be a better plan than the current one, if there is a plan.

(07-28-2016 02:20 AM)army56mike Wrote:  I have no problem separating Jr.'s personal endorsement from an institutional endorsement. It's not that complicated.

Pretty sure if he wasn't the Pres of LU the RNC nor Trump would care to have him speak or have his endorsement. That obviously means LU is lumped into anything he says even if they are not officially doing it.

Is it time now for JFJr. to recant his support for Trump? If he were to revisit his comments of support made at the RNC convention, it's a safe bet he would have rather not made the endorsement.

I hope this is a lesson learned that political endorsements can carry immense repercussions.

That's likely to never happen.

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What has Trump done that would cause Jerry to recant his support? Trump is always over the top and says controversial things. Hillary is just as bad. It's politics and Jerry (probably) knew that before supporting Trump. These candidates have cameras on them 24/7.

(08-11-2016 07:31 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  What has Trump done that would cause Jerry to recant his support? Trump is always over the top and says controversial things. Hillary is just as bad. It's politics and Jerry (probably) knew that before supporting Trump. These candidates have cameras on them 24/7.

"What has Trump done that would cause Jerry to recant his support?". You're kidding or being sarcastic I hope. I don't believe Jr. would have verbally supported Trump if he knew Trump was going to be as bombastic and polarizing as he is. If you are not kidding, then pick from the long litany of daily buffoon statements Trump has made as a reason to recant or learn from his endorsement. If you're not kidding, you may not be giving Jr. much credit for foreseeing the implications many of us could see well before the RNC convention.