Drew Martin
‏@TCU_Drew
Long distance information, give me Memphis, Tennessee.

Assistant AD at TCU.

If Memphis gets in over a travel partner for BYU, when a travel partner for WV will have already been selected in Cincinnati, then my hat's off to Memphis leadership and major donors for forcing their way in.


But the fact of it would be that Memphis is well over 400 miles off-center from the Big 12 footprint, and the two islands (WV and BYU) would be better with closer proximity travel partners.

(07-28-2016 08:11 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 08:03 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 07:52 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 07:47 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 07:42 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  So the 8 schools agree to pay the 9th $25 million.

Essentially yes. They also burn those bridges with the remaining schools using tons of kerosene in the process, but yes.

Those last 4 schools are going to be screwed no matter what. One might as well get paid for the pleasure.

What could be interesting is if the above happens except that the 9th school wouldn't leave. Then you'd have ECU, Temple, USF and UCF left, and they could make a nice east coast league with AAC expansion candidates. Although the remaining schools would still probably be horrified this is how far they've fallen.

New AAC:

North
Temple
Marshall
ODU
UMass
NIU

South
ECU
USF
UCF
USM
Georgia State

Permanent Crossovers:
Marshall - USM
ODU - ECU
Temple - UCF
UMass - Georgia State
NIU - USF

And that's the day that UCF, USF, ECU and Temple fans collectively blow our brains out. Sorta like Jonestown. Maybe we make up some purple kool aid.

I honestly think we would be better off as an independent if this happens.

(07-30-2016 04:57 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  If Memphis gets in over a travel partner for BYU, when a travel partner for WV will have already been selected in Cincinnati, then my hat's off to Memphis leadership and major donors for forcing their way in.


But the fact of it would be that Memphis is well over 400 miles off-center from the Big 12 footprint, and the two islands (WV and BYU) would be better with closer proximity travel partners.

A travel partner for BYU only matters if BYU comes in as a full member instead of football only.

For all the talk of travel partners, it is obvious a lot of folks don't understand what a travel partner actually is. I don't believe there really are many sports that use travel partner scheduling anymore.

(07-30-2016 04:57 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  If Memphis gets in over a travel partner for BYU, when a travel partner for WV will have already been selected in Cincinnati, then my hat's off to Memphis leadership and major donors for forcing their way in.


But the fact of it would be that Memphis is well over 400 miles off-center from the Big 12 footprint, and the two islands (WV and BYU) would be better with closer proximity travel partners.

There is more to a P5 invite than being a travel partner.

But 400 miles off center? I would describe it as the closest candidate to the Big 12 existing footprint, outside Houston.

(07-30-2016 04:52 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  Drew Martin
‏@TCU_Drew
Long distance information, give me Memphis, Tennessee.

Assistant AD at TCU.

You do realize this is a parody from how TCU got invited into the Big 12. It's a joke.

(07-30-2016 04:57 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  If Memphis gets in over a travel partner for BYU, when a travel partner for WV will have already been selected in Cincinnati, then my hat's off to Memphis leadership and major donors for forcing their way in.

But the fact of it would be that Memphis is well over 400 miles off-center from the Big 12 footprint, and the two islands (WV and BYU) would be better with closer proximity travel partners.

Note that you eliminate the issue of travel partners for BBall, women's soccer (etc.) teams of schools visiting BYU if you invite them FB-only.

What P5 conference uses travel partners for basketball scheduling? Are there P5 schools that don't charter?

(07-30-2016 04:57 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  If Memphis gets in over a travel partner for BYU, when a travel partner for WV will have already been selected in Cincinnati, then my hat's off to Memphis leadership and major donors for forcing their way in.


But the fact of it would be that Memphis is well over 400 miles off-center from the Big 12 footprint, and the two islands (WV and BYU) would be better with closer proximity travel partners.

Memphis is the closest school on average. Houston is about a mile further on average.

(07-30-2016 07:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 04:57 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  If Memphis gets in over a travel partner for BYU, when a travel partner for WV will have already been selected in Cincinnati, then my hat's off to Memphis leadership and major donors for forcing their way in.


But the fact of it would be that Memphis is well over 400 miles off-center from the Big 12 footprint, and the two islands (WV and BYU) would be better with closer proximity travel partners.

Memphis is the closest school on average. Houston is about a mile further on average.

BOOM! Geography, B!TCH!

(07-30-2016 04:57 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  If Memphis gets in over a travel partner for BYU, when a travel partner for WV will have already been selected in Cincinnati, then my hat's off to Memphis leadership and major donors for forcing their way in.


But the fact of it would be that Memphis is well over 400 miles off-center from the Big 12 footprint, and the two islands (WV and BYU) would be better with closer proximity travel partners.

You're emphasizing travel partners and the league may be emphasizing new media markets.

If the emphasis is on expanding the footprint because the B12 has the smallest footprint of all conferences, then it doesn't help to keep it small.

Making it far flung doesn't make it "bigger" as far as media footprint goes either. Larger markets and schools with larger regional/national appeal does.

(07-30-2016 05:43 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 08:11 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 08:03 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 07:52 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 07:47 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Essentially yes. They also burn those bridges with the remaining schools using tons of kerosene in the process, but yes.

Those last 4 schools are going to be screwed no matter what. One might as well get paid for the pleasure.

What could be interesting is if the above happens except that the 9th school wouldn't leave. Then you'd have ECU, Temple, USF and UCF left, and they could make a nice east coast league with AAC expansion candidates. Although the remaining schools would still probably be horrified this is how far they've fallen.

New AAC:

North
Temple
Marshall
ODU
UMass
NIU

South
ECU
USF
UCF
USM
Georgia State

Permanent Crossovers:
Marshall - USM
ODU - ECU
Temple - UCF
UMass - Georgia State
NIU - USF

And that's the day that UCF, USF, ECU and Temple fans collectively blow our brains out. Sorta like Jonestown. Maybe we make up some purple kool aid.

I honestly think we would be better off as an independent if this happens.

Words hurt guys. Seriously.

(07-31-2016 07:07 AM)panama Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 05:43 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 08:11 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 08:03 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 07:52 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  Those last 4 schools are going to be screwed no matter what. One might as well get paid for the pleasure.

What could be interesting is if the above happens except that the 9th school wouldn't leave. Then you'd have ECU, Temple, USF and UCF left, and they could make a nice east coast league with AAC expansion candidates. Although the remaining schools would still probably be horrified this is how far they've fallen.

New AAC:

North
Temple
Marshall
ODU
UMass
NIU

South
ECU
USF
UCF
USM
Georgia State

Permanent Crossovers:
Marshall - USM
ODU - ECU
Temple - UCF
UMass - Georgia State
NIU - USF

And that's the day that UCF, USF, ECU and Temple fans collectively blow our brains out. Sorta like Jonestown. Maybe we make up some purple kool aid.

I honestly think we would be better off as an independent if this happens.

Words hurt guys. Seriously.

No need to blow brains out or jump off bridges. Realignment will not end with this Big 12 expansion no matter how many they take. There will always be the threat of more expansion by the Big 10, the ACC, SEC, PAC12 and even the Big 12 again some day which will again have a trickle down affect. This is not the end. There is no end.

(07-30-2016 09:28 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  Making it far flung doesn't make it "bigger" as far as media footprint goes either. Larger markets and schools with larger regional/national appeal does.

So you're making UConn's case?

National Brand
High Ratings
Big market

You have no idea what you are talking about. You still keep repeating the same garbage thats been said about UH from 10 years ago.

(07-29-2016 07:38 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 12:32 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  [quote='Dr. Isaly von Yinzer' pid='13421719' dateline='1469682750']
However, if they are looking to form a conference television network, and that is really the only reason to do this, Houston doesn't make any sense whatsoever. A B12 Network would be on Houston area cable television providers with or without the University of Houston.

Don't get me wrong, that program has tremendous recruiting potential. However, from a business standpoint, it just doesn't make sense

Several things wrong with your business analysis.

First, the Big 12 is not getting a linear network.

Second, a Big 12 network may NOT automatically be in Houston without UH. For example, the Longhorn network is not in Houston on Comcast, the largest cable provider.

Third, and more generally, no business expands to new territories without making sure it is strong in its home markets. Last year in the Houston market, the SEC drew 22% better ratings in conference games than the Big 12 did. How's that going to look when they renegotiate their TV deal in a few years?

Big 12: Look over here, look over here. We're in the Cincinnati market now. We want SEC TV money.

ESPN/Fox: Yeah, but the SEC outrates your games by 25% in your largest home market. Advertisers won't even pay you SEC money in Houston, for crying out loud.

The only way to make Houston a Big 12 town again is to add UH. And one way to blow up the Big 12 is to omit Houston and let the Pac 12 or ACC (or god forbid the SEC or Big 10) add Houston and forever relegate the Big 12 schools not named Texas to 3rd tier in this market.



My Goodness: "One way the Big 12 could blow up would be to omit Houston and let the ACC, PAC, or God forbid the Big 10 or SEC add Houston."----this is insane.
I'm happy for you guys that you are looking like your on your way to the Big 12. You have a good football program right now and a nice new stadium. (Actual seats in the high 30,000 range) Good basketball school history (last several seasons only a few thousand fans at games) Decent athletic budget. Top 12 in G5 at mid $40,000's) But you are still a city commuter school who doesn't belong in the ACC, PAC or Big 10. Houston to the Big 10????? HahahahHa....obviously you have no idea what a big 10 school looks like. Again, sounds like you'll get the big 12 invite and congrats, I just hope Coog fans don't rub it in on us with anymore foolish talk about the Coogs going to the Big 10, SEC, ACC and PAC.
Cheers!

(07-30-2016 07:33 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  What P5 conference uses travel partners for basketball scheduling? Are there P5 schools that don't charter?

The major driver for travel partners in G5 conferences that use them would be traveling costs (which unlike a lot of scholarship costs are incremental hard costs, actual additional checks to write that have to clear).

But the complaint regarding WVU in the Big12 is not traveling cost so much as impact on athletes.

It's not an argument to expand, but if you are going to expand, and if pursuit of new markets and new recruiting grounds means you are not going to expand within a bus ride of your existing schools, adding a travel partner to an existing school on an island would reduce the incremental adverse impact of the new addition on the affected team sports.

However, anybody counting CSU as a potential travel partner for BYU cannot consistently also consider Memphis to be a "long way away" from the Big 12 schools. CSU/BYU is 470 miles via I-80, 540 miles via I-70. Memphis is 477 miles to Norman, OK, 472 miles to Stillwater, OK. It's 90+ miles closer to the Oklahoma schools than Iowa State.

(07-31-2016 08:58 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 07:33 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  What P5 conference uses travel partners for basketball scheduling? Are there P5 schools that don't charter?

The major driver for travel partners in G5 conferences that use them would be traveling costs (which unlike a lot of scholarship costs are incremental hard costs, actual additional checks to write that have to clear).

But the complaint regarding WVU in the Big12 is not traveling cost so much as impact on athletes.

It's not an argument to expand, but if you are going to expand, and if pursuit of new markets and new recruiting grounds means you are not going to expand within a bus ride of your existing schools, adding a travel partner to an existing school on an island would reduce the incremental adverse impact of the new addition on the affected team sports.

However, anybody counting CSU as a potential travel partner for BYU cannot consistently also consider Memphis to be a "long way away" from the Big 12 schools. CSU/BYU is 470 miles via I-80, 540 miles via I-70. Memphis is 477 miles to Norman, OK, 472 miles to Stillwater, OK. It's 90+ miles closer to the Oklahoma schools than Iowa State.

It's really odd, but Memphis is closer, on average, to every current Big 12 school than is Houston.

bullet,

Huh? Houston is in the B12 footprint. Memphis is almost the perfect distance away from it, whereby they don't really help with the WV island and they're too far for any B12 school to bus to. Not quite, but almost.

Please don't tell me you're trying to justify them by saying that Memphis is the same distance from WV as Dallas is! Just, don't. You know that's bs.

(07-31-2016 08:58 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 07:33 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  What P5 conference uses travel partners for basketball scheduling? Are there P5 schools that don't charter?

The major driver for travel partners in G5 conferences that use them would be traveling costs (which unlike a lot of scholarship costs are incremental hard costs, actual additional checks to write that have to clear).

But the complaint regarding WVU in the Big12 is not traveling cost so much as impact on athletes.

It's not an argument to expand, but if you are going to expand, and if pursuit of new markets and new recruiting grounds means you are not going to expand within a bus ride of your existing schools, adding a travel partner to an existing school on an island would reduce the incremental adverse impact of the new addition on the affected team sports.

However, anybody counting CSU as a potential travel partner for BYU cannot consistently also consider Memphis to be a "long way away" from the Big 12 schools. CSU/BYU is 470 miles via I-80, 540 miles via I-70. Memphis is 477 miles to Norman, OK, 472 miles to Stillwater, OK. It's 90+ miles closer to the Oklahoma schools than Iowa State.

I understand the concept, probably better than most who are constantly spouting off about travel partners like its a real consideration.

My question remains, which P5 conference uses travel partner scheduling for basketball and what P5 school doesn't charter for football and basketball?

It's not as you can just add a new school or two as travel partners without overhauling how you schedule the rest of the conference.