upstater,

I don't think that's true.


corbett,

I actually don't want to waste a bunch of time debating something that didn't happen and won't happen. You know?

But almost every claim you made in that post is complete bunk.

There is not a single claim I made that was bunk. Notta one. Just an FYI, physical distance and travel time are not the same thing. Hint, hint

Houston has lost OU's vote.

corbett,

It doesn't matter. No ACC president would say that 1hr of travel time difference is a deal breaker. Obviously you know that flight times from ACC team airports to Louisville vs Pittsburgh are most likely equivalent. Then by the time you load up the bus, etc and get on the road, maybe it's 15min from Louisville airport to the hotel, maybe 1hr from Pittsburgh airport to the hotel. Or maybe they stay at a hotel in PA. You don't know.

That point was bunk.

The point that Louisville is better off in the ACC than Big 12, could easily be argued both ways depending on what you consider "good" criteria, from W-L potential, to bowls, to markets in away games, to non-football sports, to conference distribution money, etc etc etc

Please don't go through the time to address every single one of those. I won't take the time to read it.


Then obviously trying to say that Louisville is better for ACC than WV is completely made up. Not even going to get into it.

Honestly, my "point" was not a very good one at all, for why I was proposing the switch in the first place.

It was really just that Louisville/Cincy/USF came into the Big East together from the CUSA. The first in a very long line of CUSA to Big East/American moves.

That's literally all I was saying, for the unlikely case that Big 12 adds Cincy and USF.


So just don't even get your motor going.

(09-04-2016 12:25 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  corbett,

It doesn't matter. No ACC president would say that 1hr of travel time difference is a deal breaker. Obviously you know that flight times from ACC team airports to Louisville vs Pittsburgh are most likely equivalent. Then by the time you load up the bus, etc and get on the road, maybe it's 15min from Louisville airport to the hotel, maybe 1hr from Pittsburgh airport to the hotel. Or maybe they stay at a hotel in PA. You don't know.

That point was bunk.

The point that Louisville is better off in the ACC than Big 12, could easily be argued both ways depending on what you consider "good" criteria, from W-L potential, to bowls, to markets in away games, to non-football sports, to conference distribution money, etc etc etc

Please don't go through the time to address every single one of those. I won't take the time to read it.


Then obviously trying to say that Louisville is better for ACC than WV is completely made up. Not even going to get into it.

So what I just heard was, after calling what I said "bunk," you agreed with the point I made. Yeah that was "bunk."

As for the rest, you offered nothing to counter why it's "bunk." Consider how the ACC outright rejected WVU before they invited Cuse and Pitt, and have so for 50 years, and yeah, they are not as good a fit. Unless you know something no one else does...

It's not bunk because it's wrong, it's bunk because you implied that it matters. You know it doesn't.

WV being a worse fit than Cuse and Pitt is the literal definition of a red herring, for if WV is a worse fit than Louisville. You know this too. If the Big 12 had taken Louisville instead of WV, which is was prepared to do, then WV would be in the ACC at this moment.

So that point, along with the point of if the ACC is better for Louisville than the Big 12 are very evenly split in debate. Thus bunk to pretend like they're an easy case for one side or the other.

If they expand by two teams:

Houston, Cincy
If they go to four teams it get interesting...Do they add the two Florida Schools?? Do they take AFA and Col St, do they take BYU and AFA, or Col St?? Going to be interesting..

What I have thought since AF became an option. http://3rdand15.sportsblog.com/posts/250...nsion.html

(09-05-2016 09:53 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  It's not bunk because it's wrong, it's bunk because you implied that it matters. You know it doesn't.

WV being a worse fit than Cuse and Pitt is the literal definition of a red herring, for if WV is a worse fit than Louisville. You know this too. If the Big 12 had taken Louisville instead of WV, which is was prepared to do, then WV would be in the ACC at this moment.

So that point, along with the point of if the ACC is better for Louisville than the Big 12 are very evenly split in debate. Thus bunk to pretend like they're an easy case for one side or the other.

No your "point" was silly because he only reason WVU might be a better fit was due to geography, which was what I pointed out the travel time. In every other way, they are not a fit, which is why they've been ostracized for 50 plus years. What I said was not "bunk," it killed your point. Completely! Outside of that, there is no reason to make such a point. So it's not "bunk," it just shoots holes in your stance. Actually kills it. Case closed.

You made the original claims, not me. There's nothing of mine to blow holes into. I've only cast considerable doubt onto the veracity of your claims.

(09-05-2016 06:51 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  What I have thought since AF became an option. http://3rdand15.sportsblog.com/posts/250...nsion.html

It would shock me if Air Force & BYU were football-only adds with Cincinnati & Houston as full-adds. That might be the compromise, but if BYU gets an all sports addition then I think Colorado State will get the other. It's about figuring that one out.

(09-05-2016 10:16 PM)Realignment Wrote:  

(09-05-2016 06:51 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  What I have thought since AF became an option. http://3rdand15.sportsblog.com/posts/250...nsion.html

It would shock me if Air Force & BYU were football-only adds with Cincinnati & Houston as full-adds. That might be the compromise, but if BYU gets an all sports addition then I think Colorado State will get the other. It's about figuring that one out.

Did you see Col St get blown out by 40 points? They are turrible

Playoff committee said they look at the strength of schedule. Big 12 made a big mistake of eliminating Boise State, East Carolina and Memphis since they are a much stronger football products right now. Temple eliminated themselves by losing to Army and Colorado State removed themselves from SoS. Boise State was the safer bet than the others who made the cut.

(09-06-2016 07:35 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Playoff committee said they look at the strength of schedule. Big 12 made a big mistake of eliminating Boise State, East Carolina and Memphis since they are a much stronger football products right now. Temple eliminated themselves by losing to Army and Colorado State removed themselves from SoS. Boise State was the safer bet than the others who made the cut.

You do understand realignment is a much longer term decision than just the last few years, or last few games--right?

(09-06-2016 07:40 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  You do understand realignment is a much longer term decision than just the last few years, or last few games--right?

Just going by what he's posted, there is no reason to suppose that he understands that.

(09-03-2016 01:52 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  UAB grad, I don't think that's correct, but could be wrong.

For it to be correct, you'd have to have - for example - Wash St playing USC and then playing UCLA on the same trip. If they fly back to Pullman, then turn around and fly back to SoCal, that doesn't satisfy the definition.

So when WSU basketball plays at UCLA and USC on a Thurs/Sat, and two weeks later plays at UA and ASU on Thursday/Sat you actually think they fly to Pullman and back?

(09-06-2016 07:40 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-06-2016 07:35 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Playoff committee said they look at the strength of schedule. Big 12 made a big mistake of eliminating Boise State, East Carolina and Memphis since they are a much stronger football products right now. Temple eliminated themselves by losing to Army and Colorado State removed themselves from SoS. Boise State was the safer bet than the others who made the cut.

You do understand realignment is a much longer term decision than just the last few years, or last few games--right?

Or just football - although I'm sure that is the biggest factor.

(09-06-2016 07:40 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-06-2016 07:35 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Playoff committee said they look at the strength of schedule. Big 12 made a big mistake of eliminating Boise State, East Carolina and Memphis since they are a much stronger football products right now. Temple eliminated themselves by losing to Army and Colorado State removed themselves from SoS. Boise State was the safer bet than the others who made the cut.

You do understand realignment is a much longer term decision than just the last few years, or last few games--right?

Boise State have the much better track record of being a dynasty team. They have been winning games since 1999, and have the better winning % since 2000 over any of the D1 schools. Boise's basketball is on the rise as well.