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(09-13-2016 10:21 AM)BearcatnKY Wrote:  Are people as angry at the guys in the beer line who don't acknowledge the anthem? They'd probably throw a fit if the person in front of them stopped from ordering to turn around and participate. What if all the vendors stopped at once? Chaos.

Those people aren't doing it just to antagonize others. Those people are not doing it to represent some misguided, non-sensical "cause". Those people aren't being instigators. To put it plainly, he knows he has a national audience and is allowing some organization to piggy back his fame and ability, for their sake. He's a tool. I say that not as a judgment or insult, but as a statement of fact. It's 72 degrees here in Delaware Ohio right now, and Collin Kaepernick is a tool. He's a big boy and so are the rest of the Seahawks. People will react, as people aren't made of wood and most folks don't like tools.

(09-13-2016 10:38 AM)Recluse1 Wrote:  Those people aren't doing it just to antagonize others. Those people are not doing it to represent some misguided, non-sensical "cause".

Is it even remotely possible in your mind that they aren't "just doing it to antagonize others"? And maybe, just maybe they and many others believe that racism is a real problem in this country?

(09-13-2016 12:24 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 10:38 AM)Recluse1 Wrote:  Those people aren't doing it just to antagonize others. Those people are not doing it to represent some misguided, non-sensical "cause".

Is it even remotely possible in your mind that they aren't "just doing it to antagonize others"? And maybe, just maybe they and many others believe that racism is a real problem in this country?

Given that he's a black multimillionaire, living in a country where a black man holds the highest office? No. I don't think anybody is that mentally handicapped and coherent at the same time. I think the movement he's supporting is largely made of activists, who have never held a job outside of promoting racial/socially controversial agendas and basically see them as leeches. It's their bread and butter to stir ****. They'd wilt outside of their little niche. F'em. They're to social progress, what Westborough Baptist is to evangelism. Anyone who supports them with any sincerity, is either incredibly naïve or racist. Take your pick.

(09-13-2016 10:21 AM)BearcatnKY Wrote:  Are people as angry at the guys in the beer line who don't acknowledge the anthem? They'd probably throw a fit if the person in front of them stopped from ordering to turn around and participate. What if all the vendors stopped at once? Chaos.

Getting stuck in the beer line isn't an anti American protest.

(09-13-2016 10:21 AM)BearcatnKY Wrote:  Are people as angry at the guys in the beer line who don't acknowledge the anthem? They'd probably throw a fit if the person in front of them stopped from ordering to turn around and participate. What if all the vendors stopped at once? Chaos.

Having been caught in beer lines during the anthem on, well maybe one or 50 occasions. I think I can say they ordinarily DO stop serving when the Anthem is playing. I know I take my hat off, turn around and face the flag, even if I am at or near the head of the line.

I can't recall anyone ever getting upset.

(09-13-2016 12:24 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 10:38 AM)Recluse1 Wrote:  Those people aren't doing it just to antagonize others. Those people are not doing it to represent some misguided, non-sensical "cause".

Is it even remotely possible in your mind that they aren't "just doing it to antagonize others"? And maybe, just maybe they and many others believe that racism is a real problem in this country?

The solution being.....

Or do you want to dance around BLM's deepest desires as well?

You might want to hit this for a rundown:

http://blacklivesmatter.com/about/

(09-13-2016 12:57 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 12:24 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 10:38 AM)Recluse1 Wrote:  Those people aren't doing it just to antagonize others. Those people are not doing it to represent some misguided, non-sensical "cause".

Is it even remotely possible in your mind that they aren't "just doing it to antagonize others"? And maybe, just maybe they and many others believe that racism is a real problem in this country?

Given that he's a black multimillionaire, living in a country where a black man holds the highest office? No. I don't think anybody is that mentally handicapped and coherent at the same time. I think the movement he's supporting is largely made of activists, who have never held a job outside of promoting racial/socially controversial agendas and basically see them as leeches. It's their bread and butter to stir ****. They'd wilt outside of their little niche. F'em. They're to social progress, what Westborough Baptist is to evangelism. Anyone who supports them with any sincerity, is either incredibly naïve or racist. Take your pick.

Just quickly found a quote from Arian Foster on the situation. Starting specifically with how he feels about Kaepernick's actions.

Quote:“I don’t necessarily see that as a solution to anything,” Foster said. “This is me talking. This is Arian talking. If that’s what he felt, that’s his form of protest, I support his right to protest. Those are his thoughts, his opinions.”

“I understand 100 percent what he’s doing. He’s frustrated, just like me. He’s just like my brother. He’s just like my cousins out there. He’s frustrated. It’s hard seeing people get murdered and killed without repercussions.”

He certainly dos not seem to be advocating for what notduane believes his protest means.

Have they all specifically said they support BLM or are you just assuming that?

I for example think there are plenty of problems with law enforcement in this country. I know that racism is alive and well and I hope that we as a country can soon move on from it. However, I don;t support BLM or the killing of cops. And I certainly don't suipport any of the asinine crap that notduane posted. As with most political issues most people are in the middle of the two extremes, but that's no good for ratings.

(09-13-2016 04:32 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 12:57 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 12:24 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 10:38 AM)Recluse1 Wrote:  Those people aren't doing it just to antagonize others. Those people are not doing it to represent some misguided, non-sensical "cause".

Is it even remotely possible in your mind that they aren't "just doing it to antagonize others"? And maybe, just maybe they and many others believe that racism is a real problem in this country?

Given that he's a black multimillionaire, living in a country where a black man holds the highest office? No. I don't think anybody is that mentally handicapped and coherent at the same time. I think the movement he's supporting is largely made of activists, who have never held a job outside of promoting racial/socially controversial agendas and basically see them as leeches. It's their bread and butter to stir ****. They'd wilt outside of their little niche. F'em. They're to social progress, what Westborough Baptist is to evangelism. Anyone who supports them with any sincerity, is either incredibly naïve or racist. Take your pick.

Just quickly found a quote from Arian Foster on the situation. Starting specifically with how he feels about Kaepernick's actions.

That quote reveals a staggering amount of ignorance surrounding violence in the black community and who predominantly perpetrates it. Not to mention, protesting the national anthem has nothing to do with said issue. Even if it was the anthem they were protesting, rather than alleged police brutality which by in large, doesn't actually exist save for a few examples here and there; Neither Arian Foster or Collin Kaepernick were around for slavery or Jim Crow or any actual oppression toward the community. Neither of them can claim to be effected by it.
The perpetual victimhood of black americans has not benefitted their position in the United States. The sooner they come to realize that and stop looking for someone else to pick them up, the better. The fact that they'd highlight the handful of police murders against blacks is evidence of their own bigotry. Far more cops are killed by black men, than blacks are killed by cops per 100,000 people.

(09-13-2016 04:32 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 12:57 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 12:24 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 10:38 AM)Recluse1 Wrote:  Those people aren't doing it just to antagonize others. Those people are not doing it to represent some misguided, non-sensical "cause".

Is it even remotely possible in your mind that they aren't "just doing it to antagonize others"? And maybe, just maybe they and many others believe that racism is a real problem in this country?

Given that he's a black multimillionaire, living in a country where a black man holds the highest office? No. I don't think anybody is that mentally handicapped and coherent at the same time. I think the movement he's supporting is largely made of activists, who have never held a job outside of promoting racial/socially controversial agendas and basically see them as leeches. It's their bread and butter to stir ****. They'd wilt outside of their little niche. F'em. They're to social progress, what Westborough Baptist is to evangelism. Anyone who supports them with any sincerity, is either incredibly naïve or racist. Take your pick.

Just quickly found a quote from Arian Foster on the situation. Starting specifically with how he feels about Kaepernick's actions.

Quote:“I don’t necessarily see that as a solution to anything,” Foster said. “This is me talking. This is Arian talking. If that’s what he felt, that’s his form of protest, I support his right to protest. Those are his thoughts, his opinions.”

“I understand 100 percent what he’s doing. He’s frustrated, just like me. He’s just like my brother. He’s just like my cousins out there. He’s frustrated. It’s hard seeing people get murdered and killed without repercussions.”

He certainly dos not seem to be advocating for what notduane believes his protest means.

Have they all specifically said they support BLM or are you just assuming that?

I for example think there are plenty of problems with law enforcement in this country. I know that racism is alive and well and I hope that we as a country can soon move on from it. However, I don;t support BLM or the killing of cops. And I certainly don't suipport any of the asinine crap that notduane posted. As with most political issues most people are in the middle of the two extremes, but that's no good for ratings.

The operative word here is "repercussions" delve into what BLM advocates to get a clearer idea what "repercussions" are:

http://theralphretort.com/blm-now-demand...s-8001016/
http://endingthefed.com/black-lives-matt...yours.html
http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/12/blac...edibility/
http://therightscoop.com/portland-black-...ice-video/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...ng-heroes/

This is what BLM truly advocates...from their own mouths.

(09-13-2016 04:51 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  That quote reveals a staggering amount of ignorance surrounding violence in the black community and who predominantly perpetrates it. Not to mention, protesting the national anthem has nothing to do with said issue. Even if it was the anthem they were protesting, rather than alleged police brutality which by in large, doesn't actually exist save for a few examples here and there; Neither Arian Foster or Collin Kaepernick were around for slavery or Jim Crow or any actual oppression toward the community. Neither of them can claim to be effected by it.
The perpetual victimhood of black americans has not benefitted their position in the United States. The sooner they come to realize that and stop looking for someone else to pick them up, the better. The fact that they'd highlight the handful of police murders against blacks is evidence of their own bigotry. Far more cops are killed by black men, than blacks are killed by cops per 100,000 people.

Violence in the "black community" is a separate issue, no? Do you know that they aren't upset by that also?

I could be wrong, but I don't think they are protesting the national anthem, they do seem to be using their platform to get their message out though.

I wonder if you're child was shot instead of arrested because of the color of their skin if you would just say that it was one of those "few examples here and there."

Has Arian Foster or Colin Kaepernick asked "for someone else to pick them up?"

I don't think most people feel that anyone killing cops is right either. Again, only the most extremes on wither side feel that killings are justified. No one should be dying needlessly, seems pretty simple and it seems like what most of your Gods or Saviors would also preach.

But this is the biggest problem with the way you people think. Whenever a black person does anything wrong you people immediately start using terms like "black community" as if it actually is the responsibility of ALL black people to go fix the bad people who share the same skin color. But when, for example, a heroin problem pops up and white people are overdosing with children in the car or overdosing on expressways and killing people does everyone demand that the "white community" do something about it? Is it my responsibility as a white person to go cure all of the heroin addicts? Of course not, but simple minded people need simple answers. Answers like, black bad, white good.

On that note been to naacp meetings and other community groups dedicated to African American issues. Violence and crime in theircommunities is always something that comes up. Those that believe the African American community doesn't prioritize that issue simply don't pay attention

(09-14-2016 06:23 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  On that note been to naacp meetings and other community groups dedicated to African American issues. Violence and crime in theircommunities is always something that comes up. Those that believe the African American community doesn't prioritize that issue simply don't pay attention

Prioritize ~ Yes

Politicize ~ No

Article on Kapernick and BLM:

http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/...ks-career/

I had a family member trying to argue that white privilege does not exist. Then I reminded them we spent most of our teenage years taking short cuts through back yards with weed in our pockets, never worried about a stop and frisk.

(09-14-2016 12:37 PM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  I had a family member trying to argue that white privilege does not exist. Then I reminded them we spent most of our teenage years taking short cuts through back yards with weed in our pockets, never worried about a stop and frisk.

Was crime in your neighborhood high..? I understand that is where stop and frisk was used (high crime neighborhoods)

I grew up in gaslight Clifton. Our house was a crime target twice that I know of. One time was in the summer,when we kids had swim practice at lots of different hours, and my mom worked nights, so the back door was never locked. She came home to a guy going through her bedroom dressers, she confronted him, he confessed to addiction, she explained how the stuff he was holding had meaning but no value, he asked for a hug, she obliged, and he left. He was black, if that matters.

There was another time, where us kids saw a guy with a mask and a knife pressing his back to the house and looking in the window. He knew we saw him, and my parents called the cops, this was before 911, he ended up raping a girl down the street before he got caught. He was black, if that matters.

There was one other time that still haunts me. We were walking home from school and I hung back with friends while younger brother went ahead. A car stopped next to him and he was by the door. When I got there, it was an old man with a kitten, also asking for help with something under his dash. We got away. He was white, if that matters.

I grew up by the campus and the neighborhood has been bad (crime ridden) since I was little. I never knew what stop and frisk was but I was stopped several times in the neighborhood by police, questioned, frisked and/or searched. One 2 occasions I was walking home from the gym that was near the Kroghetto with my gym bag and the police pulled over, asked what I had in the bag... said they had reports of burglary in the neighborhood searched me and the bag (I was HS age at the time).

I believe studies have shown stop and frisk actually drives down crime.

I always get a laugh when South Park takes on these type topics...

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/09/13/so...ere-video/

In other news...the teams known for being "kneelers" are a collective 7-10 right now (Niners, Dolphins, Colts, Denver).

NFL viewership is also down 14%.

(10-07-2016 08:47 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  In other news...the teams known for being "kneelers" are a collective 7-10 right now (Niners, Dolphins, Colts, Denver).

NFL viewership is also down 14%.

Denver is 4-0 right? Somehow i don't think these things are related.