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Si regardless of the outcome of Big XII expansion OU & UT won't agree to extend GOR.
B1G, are you pondering what I'm pondering?
Yeah Brain, but how long would it take to push a Sooner Schooner to Chicago?


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There is a more official article out there from Sports Business Journal but I couldn't read it. At any rate the Brass at OU & UT are unlikely to agree to an extension of the GOR. May mean nothing may mean they want to keep their options open sgould the Big 12 become non-viable in the future. For the sake of argument let's say they are looking. What do you think the odds of them joining the B1G? Could we sweeten the pot to make it a deal they couldn't refuse or are they headed to the SEC or PAC 12?
I personally would love to see them in the B1G, but at the end of the day they do what is in the interest of their university. So I guess I'm asking... what is in the best interest of yheir respective universities?
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I can't imagine Texas and Oklahoma splitting from their "little brothers" due to political backlash and I don't see the SEC or Big Ten accepting schools such as Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston, and many others. The Pac 12 is the only conference with both the availability and the desperation but I have reservations about Texas's interests moving west.

I don't think Oklahoma would want to play both Texas and Oklahoma as non-conference opponents (taking up 2 of 3/4 OOC slots) and they sure as heck wouldn't be able to drop those games. I really believe Texas is in their best position right now. They play about 9 or 10 games a year in the state of Texas whether it is a home game or not. They won't get regional visibility like that anywhere but the Big 12. I think the LHN is overblown; I really don't expect the Big Ten, SEC, Pac 12, or anyone else to say, "Well sorry Texas. We'd accept you if you just got rid of the LHN but since you won't, then we're going to deny your request to join our conference."

If I were the Big Ten, I'd offer Oklahoma and Texas full membership. I'd give Oklahoma protected yearly games with Nebraska and Texas (at least depending upon anyone else was added) for any date on the schedule (I'm not familiar with their rivalries; I think the RRR is always the same date every year like Michigan-Ohio State is always the last week of the season) and I'd have the Big Ten schools partner to help get Oklahoma AAU membership. For Texas I'd give them the LHN and just even it out by denying any BTN money that would be paid them with the exceptions for their appearances as an away team. I'd let Texas choose two partners to come along with them and Oklahoma from an acceptable list of candidates to the Big Ten. For example: Notre Dame (impossible but I'm mentioning it anyway), Kansas, Missouri, Rice, UConn, Tulane, etc. The Big Ten wouldn't accept Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, or Houston so I don't think Texas could bring along just anyone.

I don't know if Texas or Oklahoma would accept. I think the Big Ten has much more to offer Oklahoma than the SEC or Pac 12 but I'm not sure with Texas. I think they stay in the Big 12 but stranger things have happened.
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RE: Si regardless of the outcome of Big XII expansion OU & UT won't agree to extend GOR.
I personally don't want to see any more expansion. I think we already don't appreciate how much more difficult it is to win a conference title already (instead of 11 teams and co-champs, 14 and one). Adding 2 more great teams reduces that further. On top of that, it would further reduce the feel of the conference being a 100+ year old conference. The two divisions (I'd prefer pods, but doubt we'd get them) would feel like 2 separate conferences.
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(10-09-2016 10:52 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I personally don't want to see any more expansion. I think we already don't appreciate how much more difficult it is to win a conference title already (instead of 11 teams and co-champs, 14 and one). Adding 2 more great teams reduces that further. On top of that, it would further reduce the feel of the conference being a 100+ year old conference. The two divisions (I'd prefer pods, but doubt we'd get them) would feel like 2 separate conferences.
I agree.

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(10-09-2016 10:52 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I personally don't want to see any more expansion. I think we already don't appreciate how much more difficult it is to win a conference title already (instead of 11 teams and co-champs, 14 and one). Adding 2 more great teams reduces that further. On top of that, it would further reduce the feel of the conference being a 100+ year old conference. The two divisions (I'd prefer pods, but doubt we'd get them) would feel like 2 separate conferences.

I agree, Let's kick out Northwestern & Purdue to make room... I know it'll never happen, but it would be the best way to stay at 14 and get rid of some athletic deadweight.
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(10-09-2016 10:29 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I can't imagine Texas and Oklahoma splitting from their "little brothers" due to political backlash and I don't see the SEC or Big Ten accepting schools such as Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston, and many others. The Pac 12 is the only conference with both the availability and the desperation but I have reservations about Texas's interests moving west.

I don't think Oklahoma would want to play both Texas and Oklahoma as non-conference opponents (taking up 2 of 3/4 OOC slots) and they sure as heck wouldn't be able to drop those games. I really believe Texas is in their best position right now. They play about 9 or 10 games a year in the state of Texas whether it is a home game or not. They won't get regional visibility like that anywhere but the Big 12. I think the LHN is overblown; I really don't expect the Big Ten, SEC, Pac 12, or anyone else to say, "Well sorry Texas. We'd accept you if you just got rid of the LHN but since you won't, then we're going to deny your request to join our conference."

If I were the Big Ten, I'd offer Oklahoma and Texas full membership. I'd give Oklahoma protected yearly games with Nebraska and Texas (at least depending upon anyone else was added) for any date on the schedule (I'm not familiar with their rivalries; I think the RRR is always the same date every year like Michigan-Ohio State is always the last week of the season) and I'd have the Big Ten schools partner to help get Oklahoma AAU membership. For Texas I'd give them the LHN and just even it out by denying any BTN money that would be paid them with the exceptions for their appearances as an away team. I'd let Texas choose two partners to come along with them and Oklahoma from an acceptable list of candidates to the Big Ten. For example: Notre Dame (impossible but I'm mentioning it anyway), Kansas, Missouri, Rice, UConn, Tulane, etc. The Big Ten wouldn't accept Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, or Houston so I don't think Texas could bring along just anyone.

I don't know if Texas or Oklahoma would accept. I think the Big Ten has much more to offer Oklahoma than the SEC or Pac 12 but I'm not sure with Texas. I think they stay in the Big 12 but stranger things have happened.

Pretty much this, but outside of ND (who wouldn't come anyway unless the idea of OU+UT changes their minds) or FSU who are both game changers in the college football market, the list would likely ONLY include AAU since OU is already lacking it. For simplicity's sake I'll leave out ND + schools still under a GOR when the B12 one expires.

That means:
Rice
Tulane
Kansas
Missouri
Vanderbilt
Florida
Texas A&M
Buffalo
Stony Brook (who might be elevated to FBS by that point since they have been working on it for a few years)

Obviously Florida will not likely ever happen unless (like the ND thing) a duo of UT +OU convince them otherwise, aka 0.1% chance. And Texas A&M left the B12 for the SEC to cut off the relationship with UT, so also a 0.1% chance. Of the SEC teams, I could see Mizzou and Vandy considering the option. Missouri tried to get into the Big Ten in the past, and joined the SEC as a second option. Vanderbilt could possibly look at it as a chance at joining an academically superior conference where all members are research peers, and partnering up with a fellow elite private university in Northwestern.
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From rumors I've heard it seems the present course of compromise between the networks would land you Oklahoma and Connecticut. They seem to have a priority for reuniting lost rivalries and trying to mend damage done by realignment.
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(10-10-2016 08:55 PM)JRsec Wrote:  From rumors I've heard it seems the present course of compromise between the networks would land you Oklahoma and Connecticut. They seem to have a priority for reuniting lost rivalries and trying to mend damage done by realignment.
I don't get the UConn hype.

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(10-10-2016 09:12 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  
(10-10-2016 08:55 PM)JRsec Wrote:  From rumors I've heard it seems the present course of compromise between the networks would land you Oklahoma and Connecticut. They seem to have a priority for reuniting lost rivalries and trying to mend damage done by realignment.
I don't get the UConn hype.
I think the UConn hype is mostly from people that hope/think that the B1G will expand just for the sole purpose of expansion. Even if they became AAU, while they'd be an institutional and geographic fit for the conference (as would say, Buffalo, or if UMass or WVU achieved AAU status), they don't really fit the conference's strategic goals, which are to expand with AAU institutions in new top tv markets (Texas, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina) or with "franchise player" type of football schools which are academically strong like Oklahoma, Notre Dame and Florida State.
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(10-10-2016 08:55 PM)JRsec Wrote:  From rumors I've heard it seems the present course of compromise between the networks would land you Oklahoma and Connecticut. They seem to have a priority for reuniting lost rivalries and trying to mend damage done by realignment.

Always enjoy reading your posts.

I don't see UConn as likely, but do think they have been underrated in the past (state flagship in a state that follows them and has high income and close to big markets).

I cannot see the Big Ten voting for another non-AAU school though (outside of Notre Dame) and think they are legitimately happy with the 14 team model. I also don't really see the networks having a the huge role in this that many other do.

That said, if you ever did get to 16 team conferences, I do agree Oklahoma plus someone is a likely way to get there. I would just be more likely to guess Kansas.
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(10-11-2016 10:32 AM)AntiG Wrote:  
(10-10-2016 09:12 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  
(10-10-2016 08:55 PM)JRsec Wrote:  From rumors I've heard it seems the present course of compromise between the networks would land you Oklahoma and Connecticut. They seem to have a priority for reuniting lost rivalries and trying to mend damage done by realignment.
I don't get the UConn hype.
I think the UConn hype is mostly from people that hope/think that the B1G will expand just for the sole purpose of expansion. Even if they became AAU, while they'd be an institutional and geographic fit for the conference (as would say, Buffalo, or if UMass or WVU achieved AAU status), they don't really fit the conference's strategic goals, which are to expand with AAU institutions in new top tv markets (Texas, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina) or with "franchise player" type of football schools which are academically strong like Oklahoma, Notre Dame and Florida State.
The only rational explanation for UConn would be to keep its basketball program out of the Big East and locked into FS1 oblivion, shown instead on an ESPN property. But that wouldn't explain a Big 10 expansion into Connecticut -- the ACC would be a better landing spot for UConn in that regard.
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(10-12-2016 03:26 PM)megadrone Wrote:  
(10-11-2016 10:32 AM)AntiG Wrote:  
(10-10-2016 09:12 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  
(10-10-2016 08:55 PM)JRsec Wrote:  From rumors I've heard it seems the present course of compromise between the networks would land you Oklahoma and Connecticut. They seem to have a priority for reuniting lost rivalries and trying to mend damage done by realignment.
I don't get the UConn hype.
I think the UConn hype is mostly from people that hope/think that the B1G will expand just for the sole purpose of expansion. Even if they became AAU, while they'd be an institutional and geographic fit for the conference (as would say, Buffalo, or if UMass or WVU achieved AAU status), they don't really fit the conference's strategic goals, which are to expand with AAU institutions in new top tv markets (Texas, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina) or with "franchise player" type of football schools which are academically strong like Oklahoma, Notre Dame and Florida State.
The only rational explanation for UConn would be to keep its basketball program out of the Big East and locked into FS1 oblivion, shown instead on an ESPN property. But that wouldn't explain a Big 10 expansion into Connecticut -- the ACC would be a better landing spot for UConn in that regard.

Without a big football or media market add, no they don't make sense. As a #16 with a school like Oklahoma, they would make more sense. While I agree that Kansas would be a more natural fit to godwits Oklahoma, ESPN has to let them out of their tier 3 contract. If they are trying to direct their basketball to the ACC or the SEC, there really isn't anything the Big10 or Fox can do about it. Of all the remaining schools not in the ACC, SEC or PAC, they have the best combination of basketball, academics and market (including more coverage in NYC). If you take academics out of the equation, Houston would be a great add to go with Oklahoma. This is assuming that Texas isn't coming either.
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