(10-18-2016 06:59 PM)MJG Wrote:  Why not BYU with the same deal ND has with the AAC.
All their home games are televised and they have a strong basketball program.
Add Air force football only with them AF could replace BYU in the WCC.
gives the conference twelve Olympic sports members.
Thirteen and a half for football allowing BYU more bowl options and Access Bowl access.
Takes a top three MWC team and the strongest G5 out West .
If BYU makes the Access Bowl the conference shares the money like any other school.
BYU wouldn't count in the conference standings like Notre dame doesn't.
Play AF every year and rotate the other twelve.
Keeps BYU in their independent P5ish category and helps the conference and BYU.
MAYBE I should be commissioner?

If you were to be the G5 commissioner, you would be a great improvement over the current G5 situation. The current situation seems to be arranged to minimize overall revenue, create bad bowl matchups, and spend more money in travel.

(10-18-2016 01:36 PM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  Many people seem to be figuring that BYU would join the "remaining 8" if Texas and Oklahoma leave. Can anyone give a good reason for that happening?

You have just admitted that you agree with the Big 12 members who did not want to expand.

You're saying that the only reason to be in the Big 12 is that UT and OU are there. That is exactly what the existing members of the Big 12 think, as evidenced by the Iowa State AD's comments, i.e., as long as UT and OU are there, they are still in the P5 club, and if UT and OU leave, then neither BYU nor any other candidate could possibly save the conference's "P" status, thus there was no reason to expand.

(10-18-2016 06:59 PM)MJG Wrote:  Why not BYU with the same deal ND has with the AAC.
All their home games are televised and they have a strong basketball program.
Add Air force football only with them AF could replace BYU in the WCC.
gives the conference twelve Olympic sports members.
Thirteen and a half for football allowing BYU more bowl options and Access Bowl access.
Takes a top three MWC team and the strongest G5 out West .
If BYU makes the Access Bowl the conference shares the money like any other school.
BYU wouldn't count in the conference standings like Notre dame doesn't.
Play AF every year and rotate the other twelve.
Keeps BYU in their independent P5ish category and helps the conference and BYU.
MAYBE I should be commissioner?

Yeah, because you are the very first person to think of that idea! I can't believe there hasn't been 10,000 posts on here just like the one you just wrote over the past 5 years....
Cheers!

(10-18-2016 01:36 PM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  Many people seem to be figuring that BYU would join the "remaining 8" if Texas and Oklahoma leave. Can anyone give a good reason for that happening? BYU turned down the Big East when they came asking, why would it be any different with the "Remaining 8?"

I'm trying to think of some reason, whether logic, financial, or renewing rivalries. However, BYU has not scheduled any of these teams in football apart from West Virginia this year and TCU many years ago. BYU has better attendance than any of these teams, despite not getting Oklahoma and Texas to visit regularly. They would not be close geographically. The remaining 8 would not have P5 bowls or money to give BYU.

So, what would be the appeal? How would the remaining 8 be able to attract BYU? Perhaps some form of unequal sharing might work, but that seems to be about it.

How about OSU, KSU, Iowa State, Baylor, Tech, TCU plus Houston, SMU, Colorado State and BYU. Maybe even Air Force and New Mexico. They would keep he Big12 name and some of the big name bowls and a pretty good TV contract.

You telling me BYU would not consider that?

(10-18-2016 07:49 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 01:36 PM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  Many people seem to be figuring that BYU would join the "remaining 8" if Texas and Oklahoma leave. Can anyone give a good reason for that happening? BYU turned down the Big East when they came asking, why would it be any different with the "Remaining 8?"

I'm trying to think of some reason, whether logic, financial, or renewing rivalries. However, BYU has not scheduled any of these teams in football apart from West Virginia this year and TCU many years ago. BYU has better attendance than any of these teams, despite not getting Oklahoma and Texas to visit regularly. They would not be close geographically. The remaining 8 would not have P5 bowls or money to give BYU.

So, what would be the appeal? How would the remaining 8 be able to attract BYU? Perhaps some form of unequal sharing might work, but that seems to be about it.

How about OSU, KSU, Iowa State, Baylor, Tech, TCU plus Houston, SMU, Colorado State and BYU. Maybe even Air Force and New Mexico. They would keep he Big12 name and some of the big name bowls and a pretty good TV contract.

You telling me BYU would not consider that?

Exactly.

Little Eight plus BYU and Boise (name brand, rivalry with BYU) is a good ten. Add 2-4 of those ones you listed and that still a good conference.

Yeah, I forgot about Boise. Thanks

(10-18-2016 04:42 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 03:17 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 03:11 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 02:04 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  BYU needs to lead this thing. Every western school would follow them and most of the eastern schools would too. Form a league, avoid Sunday play, create a network on their terms. BYU, Army, Navy, AF and go from there.

No, most of the eastern schools wouldn't follow BYU. A religious school in Utah doesn't have pull with secular schools in the midwest and south. Even religious schools like SMU don't share points of view with BYU.

If BYU provided some leadership in putting together a best of the rest, the eastern schools would follow. SMU isn't one of those schools.

That is just your opinion, you have nothing of substance to back up that claim.

This entire bbs is opinion.

(10-18-2016 03:25 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 03:21 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 01:48 PM)bluesox Wrote:  Byu might want to join the aac as a football only now.

No they won't no matter how some of you try to spin it.

Agreed. Plus BYU can't let Utah pass them in perception. BYU's best move is to form a national schedule like Notre Dame but that is difficult as an independent. The mission of BYU's football team is to spread the message of the church of latter day saints. How better to do that when you play in the NYC, Cincinnati, Tampa, Orlando, Houston, San Diego and Denver media markets along with playing national draws like Army, Navy and Air Force?

Philadelphia. Don't forget Philadelphia.

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(10-18-2016 07:16 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 06:59 PM)MJG Wrote:  Why not BYU with the same deal ND has with the AAC.
All their home games are televised and they have a strong basketball program.
Add Air force football only with them AF could replace BYU in the WCC.
gives the conference twelve Olympic sports members.
Thirteen and a half for football allowing BYU more bowl options and Access Bowl access.
Takes a top three MWC team and the strongest G5 out West .
If BYU makes the Access Bowl the conference shares the money like any other school.
BYU wouldn't count in the conference standings like Notre dame doesn't.
Play AF every year and rotate the other twelve.
Keeps BYU in their independent P5ish category and helps the conference and BYU.
MAYBE I should be commissioner?

Yeah, because you are the very first person to think of that idea! I can't believe there hasn't been 10,000 posts on here just like the one you just wrote over the past 5 years....
Cheers!

No I think the usual plan is a scheduling alliance for football and olympic sports are not included. Also my adding Air force adds football only adds to the attractiveness of the plan .

(10-18-2016 08:32 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 07:49 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 01:36 PM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  Many people seem to be figuring that BYU would join the "remaining 8" if Texas and Oklahoma leave. Can anyone give a good reason for that happening? BYU turned down the Big East when they came asking, why would it be any different with the "Remaining 8?"

I'm trying to think of some reason, whether logic, financial, or renewing rivalries. However, BYU has not scheduled any of these teams in football apart from West Virginia this year and TCU many years ago. BYU has better attendance than any of these teams, despite not getting Oklahoma and Texas to visit regularly. They would not be close geographically. The remaining 8 would not have P5 bowls or money to give BYU.

So, what would be the appeal? How would the remaining 8 be able to attract BYU? Perhaps some form of unequal sharing might work, but that seems to be about it.

How about OSU, KSU, Iowa State, Baylor, Tech, TCU plus Houston, SMU, Colorado State and BYU. Maybe even Air Force and New Mexico. They would keep he Big12 name and some of the big name bowls and a pretty good TV contract.

You telling me BYU would not consider that?

Exactly.

Little Eight plus BYU and Boise (name brand, rivalry with BYU) is a good ten. Add 2-4 of those ones you listed and that still a good conference.

Well it wouldn't be all 8 of the "little 8" because I figure at least 2-4 more would find lifeboats. Then at that point from the BYU perspective you are still looking at joining a non power league while Utah is not only in one but in a stable one that's not going anywhere. So you still have the ego problem of BYU either having to swallow their pride and accept being below Utah or stubbornly remain independent.

Would it make more sense for BYU to encourage some of the more valuable G5 schools to push to an Indy schedule?

For Indy moving forward there is BYU, Army, UMass, NMSU.

Air Force to the WCC and Independent could easily join that group.

UConn and Memphis from the AAC to the Big East in oly sports. They would make nice Indy schools.

Old Dominion back to the Colonial to save on travel but Indy in FB.

A rebirth of the major independent. Big budget schools who don't need the G5 distribution and can schedule P5's 1 for 1.

(10-18-2016 10:03 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Would it make more sense for BYU to encourage some of the more valuable G5 schools to push to an Indy schedule?

For Indy moving forward there is BYU, Army, UMass, NMSU.

Air Force to the WCC and Independent could easily join that group.

UConn and Memphis from the AAC to the Big East in oly sports. They would make nice Indy schools.

Old Dominion back to the Colonial to save on travel but Indy in FB.

A rebirth of the major independent. Big budget schools who don't need the G5 distribution and can schedule P5's 1 for 1.

I'd love to see it but I doubt it. I have fond memories of ECU's indy days, but what made that viable was the large number of eastern indy's at the time. Wouldn't really be viable now and the schedules would end up looking similar or worse than what ECU's schedule looks like now.

(10-18-2016 03:25 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Agreed. Plus BYU can't let Utah pass them in perception. BYU's best move is to form a national schedule like Notre Dame but that is difficult as an independent. The mission of BYU's football team is to spread the message of the church of latter day saints. How better to do that when you play in the NYC, Cincinnati, Tampa, Orlando, Houston, San Diego and Denver media markets along with playing national draws like Army, Navy and Air Force?

This is exactly what BYU is doing. I know not everyone follows BYU future schedules, but they have a pretty strong strategy in place.

For instance, from 2020 to 2023, they mirror Notre Dame and play at Stanford or USC over Thanksgiving weekend to end the season (whoever ND isn't playing). EXACTLY how Notre Dame ends the season.

They also have plenty of games in NFL venues, like the Missouri game in Kansas City last year, Arizona in Phoenix and WVU in Maryland this year. Also have LSU in Houston and Arizona in Las Vegas (likely the new Raiders stadium).

BYU also has November HOME games against Missouri and Virginia, annual matchups with Utah, Boise St., and Utah St. and a plan to play Hawaii as often as possible. Notre Dame has also agreed to revise the original 6-game agreement and play one game in Provo by 2020.

BYU has scheduled 3 rivalry games and at least 4-5 P5 opponents each year, including at least 2 P5 home games each season. They will fill in the gaps with mostly MWC and AAC opponents.

2017 -
HOME: Utah, Wisconsin, Boise St., San Jose St., UMass
AWAY: at Mississippi St., at Utah St., at ECU, at Fresno St., at UNLV, at Hawaii
NEUTRAL: LSU (in Houston)

2018 -
HOME: California, Utah St., Hawaii, NIU
AWAY: at Arizona, at Wisconsin, at Washington, at Utah, at Boise St., at UMass (Gillette Stadium)

2019 -
HOME: Utah, USC, Washington, Boise St.
AWAY: at Washington St., at Utah St., UMass (in Gillette Stadium)

2020 -
HOME: Michigan St., Missouri, Utah St., [Notre Dame]
AWAY: at Utah, at Arizona St., at Stanford, at Boise St., at NIU

2021 -
HOME: Arizona St., Virginia, Boise St., [Utah]
AWAY: at USC, at Baylor, at USF, [Utah St.]
NEUTRAL: Arizona (in Vegas)
*BYU will be the *home* team and have TV rights for Vegas game

2022 -
HOME: Baylor, USF, [Utah St.]
AWAY: at Oregon, at Stanford, at Boise St., [Utah]

2023 -
HOME: Stanford, Boise St., [Utah]
AWAY: at Virginia, at USC, [at Utah St.]

(10-18-2016 03:07 PM)f1do Wrote:  If the "Remaining 8" conference was going to be a P5-level conference I'm sure BYU would have no problem joining. The issue of joining a G5 league would apply if the "Remaining 8" were to lose their "P" status and things went to a P4.

This is it. And if it is "the remaining eight" ... if Texas and Oklahoma leave and nobody else from the Big12 gets an invite from another P5 conference, it's plausible that it would stay a P5 conference.

If it is, BYU in a P5 conference, as Utah is in a P5 conference ... they could do that.

If it's "the remaining 6", I'm starting to expect it to lose the NY6 automatic bowl spot and drop out of the P5.

And BYU in a "Go6" conference as Utah is in a P4 conference ... no, I do not expect them to do that.

(10-18-2016 01:41 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  BYU clearly overplayed its hand. They now appear to be out of options for the foreseeable future. Not smart.

They would be fortunate to garner another such opportunity. I'm not sure whether or not you have noticed this but Power 5 conferences now pretty much control the entire thing and they are not exactly beating down the Cougars' door.

1984 was a loooooooong time ago now and everything has changed. BYU just didn't recognize that reality as quickly as did many others and they are now paying the price for that mistake.

Personally, I think the Big 12 is making a mistake by passing on the Cougars. I do think BYU would improve that league on several levels. However, they obviously do not agree. I'm sure part of theIt reservation was related to BYU's notorious arrogance – kind of like we're seeing here.

I think the best bet for BYU and many other schools is to take the strongest teams in the East and the strongest teams in the West that are not already in P5 conferences and create a superconference that way. I know that was discussed briefly the last time but it did not happen. I think they should revisit that idea because that is probably everyone's best hope for the foreseeable future.

A BOR conference has been discussed in dozens of threads on this board in the past and will be discussed in dozens of threads in the future now that the Big 12 circus has ended. No matter. IMHO it won't happen, because no matter what collection of G5 schools is assembled, the networks aren't going to significantly increase the per school payout above the current payouts to the AAC and MWC. So there's no incentive for members of the existing conferences to start a new one that's not a CFP signatory, wait 8 years for an NCAA basketball auto-bid, and incur the costs and hassles of coast-to-coast travel. As someone else aptly said (I think it was MplsBison, or maybe Wedge), it's just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

(10-18-2016 11:25 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 03:25 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Agreed. Plus BYU can't let Utah pass them in perception. BYU's best move is to form a national schedule like Notre Dame but that is difficult as an independent. The mission of BYU's football team is to spread the message of the church of latter day saints. How better to do that when you play in the NYC, Cincinnati, Tampa, Orlando, Houston, San Diego and Denver media markets along with playing national draws like Army, Navy and Air Force?

This is exactly what BYU is doing. I know not everyone follows BYU future schedules, but they have a pretty strong strategy in place.

For instance, from 2020 to 2023, they mirror Notre Dame and play at Stanford or USC over Thanksgiving weekend to end the season (whoever ND isn't playing). EXACTLY how Notre Dame ends the season.

They also have plenty of games in NFL venues, like the Missouri game in Kansas City last year, Arizona in Phoenix and WVU in Maryland this year. Also have LSU in Houston and Arizona in Las Vegas (likely the new Raiders stadium).

BYU also has November HOME games against Missouri and Virginia, annual matchups with Utah, Boise St., and Utah St. and a plan to play Hawaii as often as possible. Notre Dame has also agreed to revise the original 6-game agreement and play one game in Provo by 2020.

BYU has scheduled 3 rivalry games and at least 4-5 P5 opponents each year, including at least 2 P5 home games each season. They will fill in the gaps with mostly MWC and AAC opponents.

2017 -
HOME: Utah, Wisconsin, Boise St., San Jose St., UMass
AWAY: at Mississippi St., at Utah St., at ECU, at Fresno St., at UNLV, at Hawaii
NEUTRAL: LSU (in Houston)

2018 -
HOME: California, Utah St., Hawaii, NIU
AWAY: at Arizona, at Wisconsin, at Washington, at Utah, at Boise St., at UMass (Gillette Stadium)

2019 -
HOME: Utah, USC, Washington, Boise St.
AWAY: at Washington St., at Utah St., UMass (in Gillette Stadium)

2020 -
HOME: Michigan St., Missouri, Utah St., [Notre Dame]
AWAY: at Utah, at Arizona St., at Stanford, at Boise St., at NIU

2021 -
HOME: Arizona St., Virginia, Boise St., [Utah]
AWAY: at USC, at Baylor, at USF, [Utah St.]
NEUTRAL: Arizona (in Vegas)
*BYU will be the *home* team and have TV rights for Vegas game

2022 -
HOME: Baylor, USF, [Utah St.]
AWAY: at Oregon, at Stanford, at Boise St., [Utah]

2023 -
HOME: Stanford, Boise St., [Utah]
AWAY: at Virginia, at USC, [at Utah St.]

BYU is in good shape scheduling wise. They are like Notre Dame in that they are considered a P5 so scheduling home and homes aren't an issue.

The Stanford/So Cal agreement helps tremendously as the biggest concern is getting those late season match ups.

(10-19-2016 06:29 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 11:25 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 03:25 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Agreed. Plus BYU can't let Utah pass them in perception. BYU's best move is to form a national schedule like Notre Dame but that is difficult as an independent. The mission of BYU's football team is to spread the message of the church of latter day saints. How better to do that when you play in the NYC, Cincinnati, Tampa, Orlando, Houston, San Diego and Denver media markets along with playing national draws like Army, Navy and Air Force?

This is exactly what BYU is doing. I know not everyone follows BYU future schedules, but they have a pretty strong strategy in place.

For instance, from 2020 to 2023, they mirror Notre Dame and play at Stanford or USC over Thanksgiving weekend to end the season (whoever ND isn't playing). EXACTLY how Notre Dame ends the season.

They also have plenty of games in NFL venues, like the Missouri game in Kansas City last year, Arizona in Phoenix and WVU in Maryland this year. Also have LSU in Houston and Arizona in Las Vegas (likely the new Raiders stadium).

BYU also has November HOME games against Missouri and Virginia, annual matchups with Utah, Boise St., and Utah St. and a plan to play Hawaii as often as possible. Notre Dame has also agreed to revise the original 6-game agreement and play one game in Provo by 2020.

BYU has scheduled 3 rivalry games and at least 4-5 P5 opponents each year, including at least 2 P5 home games each season. They will fill in the gaps with mostly MWC and AAC opponents.

2017 -
HOME: Utah, Wisconsin, Boise St., San Jose St., UMass
AWAY: at Mississippi St., at Utah St., at ECU, at Fresno St., at UNLV, at Hawaii
NEUTRAL: LSU (in Houston)

2018 -
HOME: California, Utah St., Hawaii, NIU
AWAY: at Arizona, at Wisconsin, at Washington, at Utah, at Boise St., at UMass (Gillette Stadium)

2019 -
HOME: Utah, USC, Washington, Boise St.
AWAY: at Washington St., at Utah St., UMass (in Gillette Stadium)

2020 -
HOME: Michigan St., Missouri, Utah St., [Notre Dame]
AWAY: at Utah, at Arizona St., at Stanford, at Boise St., at NIU

2021 -
HOME: Arizona St., Virginia, Boise St., [Utah]
AWAY: at USC, at Baylor, at USF, [Utah St.]
NEUTRAL: Arizona (in Vegas)
*BYU will be the *home* team and have TV rights for Vegas game

2022 -
HOME: Baylor, USF, [Utah St.]
AWAY: at Oregon, at Stanford, at Boise St., [Utah]

2023 -
HOME: Stanford, Boise St., [Utah]
AWAY: at Virginia, at USC, [at Utah St.]

BYU is in good shape scheduling wise. They are like Notre Dame in that they are considered a P5 so scheduling home and homes aren't an issue.

The Stanford/So Cal agreement helps tremendously as the biggest concern is getting those late season match ups.

Ok: please address these discrepancies:
1. I see 1 home game and 2 road games each for the USC & Stanford. 2 for 1's?
2. On all future schedules for both BYU & ND, I don't see Anything with ND coming to Provo in 2020.
3. I dont see more than 5 home games on any future schedule for BYU.
4. I don't see the Utah games on the schedule after 2020.
5. I don't see many AAC and MWC teams on the schedule after next 2 seasons.
Cheers!

(10-19-2016 09:33 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 06:29 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 11:25 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 03:25 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Agreed. Plus BYU can't let Utah pass them in perception. BYU's best move is to form a national schedule like Notre Dame but that is difficult as an independent. The mission of BYU's football team is to spread the message of the church of latter day saints. How better to do that when you play in the NYC, Cincinnati, Tampa, Orlando, Houston, San Diego and Denver media markets along with playing national draws like Army, Navy and Air Force?

This is exactly what BYU is doing. I know not everyone follows BYU future schedules, but they have a pretty strong strategy in place.

For instance, from 2020 to 2023, they mirror Notre Dame and play at Stanford or USC over Thanksgiving weekend to end the season (whoever ND isn't playing). EXACTLY how Notre Dame ends the season.

They also have plenty of games in NFL venues, like the Missouri game in Kansas City last year, Arizona in Phoenix and WVU in Maryland this year. Also have LSU in Houston and Arizona in Las Vegas (likely the new Raiders stadium).

BYU also has November HOME games against Missouri and Virginia, annual matchups with Utah, Boise St., and Utah St. and a plan to play Hawaii as often as possible. Notre Dame has also agreed to revise the original 6-game agreement and play one game in Provo by 2020.

BYU has scheduled 3 rivalry games and at least 4-5 P5 opponents each year, including at least 2 P5 home games each season. They will fill in the gaps with mostly MWC and AAC opponents.

2017 -
HOME: Utah, Wisconsin, Boise St., San Jose St., UMass
AWAY: at Mississippi St., at Utah St., at ECU, at Fresno St., at UNLV, at Hawaii
NEUTRAL: LSU (in Houston)

2018 -
HOME: California, Utah St., Hawaii, NIU
AWAY: at Arizona, at Wisconsin, at Washington, at Utah, at Boise St., at UMass (Gillette Stadium)

2019 -
HOME: Utah, USC, Washington, Boise St.
AWAY: at Washington St., at Utah St., UMass (in Gillette Stadium)

2020 -
HOME: Michigan St., Missouri, Utah St., [Notre Dame]
AWAY: at Utah, at Arizona St., at Stanford, at Boise St., at NIU

2021 -
HOME: Arizona St., Virginia, Boise St., [Utah]
AWAY: at USC, at Baylor, at USF, [Utah St.]
NEUTRAL: Arizona (in Vegas)
*BYU will be the *home* team and have TV rights for Vegas game

2022 -
HOME: Baylor, USF, [Utah St.]
AWAY: at Oregon, at Stanford, at Boise St., [Utah]

2023 -
HOME: Stanford, Boise St., [Utah]
AWAY: at Virginia, at USC, [at Utah St.]

BYU is in good shape scheduling wise. They are like Notre Dame in that they are considered a P5 so scheduling home and homes aren't an issue.

The Stanford/So Cal agreement helps tremendously as the biggest concern is getting those late season match ups.

Ok: please address these discrepancies:
1. I see 1 home game and 2 road games each for the USC & Stanford. 2 for 1's?
2. On all future schedules for both BYU & ND, I don't see Anything with ND coming to Provo in 2020.
3. I dont see more than 5 home games on any future schedule for BYU.
4. I don't see the Utah games on the schedule after 2020.
5. I don't see many AAC and MWC teams on the schedule after next 2 seasons.
Cheers!

Utah attempted to take an extended break in the series but Mormon church-aligned state Republicans initiated an audit of Utah's athletic department with thinly veiled threats to pull not athletic funding but actual university educational funding if the series was not reinstated.

I don't think Utah or Utah State are very happy about that kind of coercion being applied to make BYU's independent schedule workable
and would take the opportunity to quit playing BYU for the foreseeable future if not for fear of legislative reprisal from the theocratic arm of the local GOP.

(10-18-2016 06:59 PM)MJG Wrote:  Why not BYU with the same deal ND has with the AAC.
All their home games are televised and they have a strong basketball program.
Add Air force football only with them AF could replace BYU in the WCC.
gives the conference twelve Olympic sports members.
Thirteen and a half for football allowing BYU more bowl options and Access Bowl access.
Takes a top three MWC team and the strongest G5 out West .
If BYU makes the Access Bowl the conference shares the money like any other school.
BYU wouldn't count in the conference standings like Notre dame doesn't.
Play AF every year and rotate the other twelve.
Keeps BYU in their independent P5ish category and helps the conference and BYU.
MAYBE I should be commissioner?

I somewhat like this idea. I wouldn't be surprised if Aresco approached BYU with a deal at some point. AAC could go to 13 (or 12 1/2).

(10-18-2016 11:25 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 03:25 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Agreed. Plus BYU can't let Utah pass them in perception. BYU's best move is to form a national schedule like Notre Dame but that is difficult as an independent. The mission of BYU's football team is to spread the message of the church of latter day saints. How better to do that when you play in the NYC, Cincinnati, Tampa, Orlando, Houston, San Diego and Denver media markets along with playing national draws like Army, Navy and Air Force?

This is exactly what BYU is doing. I know not everyone follows BYU future schedules, but they have a pretty strong strategy in place.

For instance, from 2020 to 2023, they mirror Notre Dame and play at Stanford or USC over Thanksgiving weekend to end the season (whoever ND isn't playing). EXACTLY how Notre Dame ends the season.

They also have plenty of games in NFL venues, like the Missouri game in Kansas City last year, Arizona in Phoenix and WVU in Maryland this year. Also have LSU in Houston and Arizona in Las Vegas (likely the new Raiders stadium).

BYU also has November HOME games against Missouri and Virginia, annual matchups with Utah, Boise St., and Utah St. and a plan to play Hawaii as often as possible. Notre Dame has also agreed to revise the original 6-game agreement and play one game in Provo by 2020.

BYU has scheduled 3 rivalry games and at least 4-5 P5 opponents each year, including at least 2 P5 home games each season. They will fill in the gaps with mostly MWC and AAC opponents.

2017 -
HOME: Utah, Wisconsin, Boise St., San Jose St., UMass
AWAY: at Mississippi St., at Utah St., at ECU, at Fresno St., at UNLV, at Hawaii
NEUTRAL: LSU (in Houston)

2018 -
HOME: California, Utah St., Hawaii, NIU
AWAY: at Arizona, at Wisconsin, at Washington, at Utah, at Boise St., at UMass (Gillette Stadium)

2019 -
HOME: Utah, USC, Washington, Boise St.
AWAY: at Washington St., at Utah St., UMass (in Gillette Stadium)

2020 -
HOME: Michigan St., Missouri, Utah St., [Notre Dame]
AWAY: at Utah, at Arizona St., at Stanford, at Boise St., at NIU

2021 -
HOME: Arizona St., Virginia, Boise St., [Utah]
AWAY: at USC, at Baylor, at USF, [Utah St.]
NEUTRAL: Arizona (in Vegas)
*BYU will be the *home* team and have TV rights for Vegas game

2022 -
HOME: Baylor, USF, [Utah St.]
AWAY: at Oregon, at Stanford, at Boise St., [Utah]

2023 -
HOME: Stanford, Boise St., [Utah]
AWAY: at Virginia, at USC, [at Utah St.]

I'm still waiting for your answer on the following games:
You listed:
Notre Dame home game in 2020.--not scheduled.
Utah home game in 2021.--not scheduled.
Utah St home game in 2022.--not scheduled
Utah home game in 2023.--not scheduled
You said BYU will fill in the gaps with MWC and AAC teams. I don't see that after next couple seasons either.
Cheers!