(10-20-2016 11:04 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing is, as it's set up, the ACC has like this year absolutely no chance of getting 40 million dollars from the Orange. If it had what I'm saying, they would have had at least a fairly decent shot for Houston to finish ahead. While yes, that would be helping the AAC some, it would be helping the ACC just as much. I mean, do you really think the ACC can take in these 8 years all 8 only getting 27.5 instead of 40 million?

I know it can't happen now, but it'll be fascinating to see what happens 9 years from now when things are redone.

You are not thinking long term though. Most conferences, don't go for the short term money grab. The long term ramifications could be declining attendance at those games, and affect the next round of negotiations.

Keep in mind the value of the ND game is the fact that its ND, which means the games will sell out, and everyone looks good. Not the extra $$.

(10-20-2016 02:11 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(10-20-2016 11:04 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing is, as it's set up, the ACC has like this year absolutely no chance of getting 40 million dollars from the Orange. If it had what I'm saying, they would have had at least a fairly decent shot for Houston to finish ahead. While yes, that would be helping the AAC some, it would be helping the ACC just as much. I mean, do you really think the ACC can take in these 8 years all 8 only getting 27.5 instead of 40 million?

I know it can't happen now, but it'll be fascinating to see what happens 9 years from now when things are redone.

You are not thinking long term though. Most conferences, don't go for the short term money grab. The long term ramifications could be declining attendance at those games, and affect the next round of negotiations.

Keep in mind the value of the ND game is the fact that its ND, which means the games will sell out, and everyone looks good. Not the extra $$.

Along the same lines, SteveR is acting as if the Orange Bowl is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the ACC, that it dances to strings the ACC pulls, but it doesn't. The OB has its own objectives here, and memories at that bowl are still fresh with the debacle of the late 2000s BCS era, when the Orange Bowl's profile declined significantly because it was saddled with a ACC/Big East matchups a few years. The Orange went from hosting matchups like Michigan vs Alabama and FSU vs Penn State to matchups like Louisville - Wake Forest and VT - Cincinnati, not the stuff that PR dreams are made of.

The whole structure of the new deal was designed by the OB to give it the best chance of having BIG NAME teams from the two conferences with the most national media and fan interest, the SEC and B1G, and Notre Dame. That's why the SEC and B1G were able to command equal money with the ACC, even though the ACC sends a higher-finisher to the bowl game.

The Orange Bowl had its fill of low marquee-value schools, including those from the ACC itself. It wanted B1G/SEC/Notre Dame muscle. Aligning with the AAC would be going in the exact opposite direction and there's zero reason to think it would do that.

Well, it'd be interesting to give the AAC one chance. Will your fans buy tickets and travel well? Will people tune in for the matchup?

It'd be a short hook though ...

(10-20-2016 04:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Along the same lines, SteveR is acting as if the Orange Bowl is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the ACC, that it dances to strings the ACC pulls, but it doesn't. The OB has its own objectives here, and memories at that bowl are still fresh with the debacle of the late 2000s BCS era,

Well, actually the Orange Bowl did cede decision makingi as to opponents etc to the ACC, so it's not owned by the ACC, but it's pretty much controlled by it.

(10-20-2016 05:21 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Well, it'd be interesting to give the AAC one chance. Will your fans buy tickets and travel well? Will people tune in for the matchup?

It'd be a short hook though ...

That's what the Access Bowl is for. The AAC did get a chance, last year, with the Peach Bowl (which is closer to Houston, btw).

(10-19-2016 03:33 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  this is going to be another part of their "P6" campaign after what happened with dem coogs doh and FSU last year the AAC is going to push to have the Orange Bowl slot for their champion instead of a team from the Big 10 or the SEC SEC SEC

this is the perfect time for the ACC to step up and show they are a conference of inclusion and to poke the Big 12 even more by moving their Orange Bowl slot from the 2nd or 3rd place team from the SEC SEC SEC or Big 10 to a conference champion from the AAC

I don't think the ACC will be scared to do this, but who knows they might be after dem coogs doh last year

and really why shouldn't the Big 10 and SEC SEC SEC welcome this as well since they and all their fans believe in fairness and helping others and benevolence to other conferences

hopefully Arensco can make this happen before next season

and they can even toss something in where ND still goes, but only if they are higher ranked than the AAC champ

time for the ACC, Big 10 and SEC SEC SEC to step up and do what their fans demand and play fair with the others and do their part to help others and to show they are not scared

Someone distract TodgeRodge and I will grab his crackpipe....

Please help TodgeRodge get off the crack

Reading this thread makes me wish someone would bash rutgers for something....anything.....

oy vey.....

(10-20-2016 06:13 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(10-20-2016 04:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Along the same lines, SteveR is acting as if the Orange Bowl is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the ACC, that it dances to strings the ACC pulls, but it doesn't. The OB has its own objectives here, and memories at that bowl are still fresh with the debacle of the late 2000s BCS era,

Well, actually the Orange Bowl did cede decision makingi as to opponents etc to the ACC, so it's not owned by the ACC, but it's pretty much controlled by it.

Link? I don't recall that happening. This report from McMurphy (which, whatever you think about him generally, happened to be correct in this instance) indicates that the ACC and OB were negotiating over an opponent, not that the ACC was dictating or being ceded to. Which makes sense, because why would the OB want to cede that control and maybe get saddled with lousy opponents?

http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...range-bowl

And the OB contract seems to indicate that the OB, not the ACC, has the power to decide if it wants to pass over the highest-ranked SEC/B1G/ND team if it would create an undesirable rematch with the ACC team.

(10-20-2016 08:25 PM)penguino Wrote:  Reading this thread makes me wish someone would bash rutgers for something....anything.....

oy vey.....

Or even a post on how it's all a conspiracy against UConn.

Markets dictate value. If or when the American has the value consistently, the market will reward the American.

I realize this is probably an ACC troll attempt, but why would Aresco aim for an already contracted bowl? Why not try to sell the AAC to one of the three non-contracted bowls (Peach, Cotton, Fiesta)?

Edit to say, the Peach being the best geographical match, sitting somewhat in the center of the American footprint.

Nothing will happen until around 2025 or 2026. The CFP tie-in bowls expire in 2026. If I were a betting man, the Sugar drops the B12 and creates SEC vs ACC. If BIG 12 still around, becomes a Cotton tie-in. If the AAC performs as they think, that would be the best chance to become Orange tie-in. Otherwise, Orange becomes at-large Access Bowl.