(12-13-2016 05:53 PM)bronconick Wrote:  Former Wake Forest Football Assistant Provided Game Plan Information to Opponents

#WakeyLeaks

The whole thing just keeps getting weirder and weirder. Why would that guy do that to his own alma mater? Is this some sort of weird revenge thing on Clawson for not hiring him? Did he simply need the money?

The whole thing is just really, really strange.

(12-13-2016 06:04 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 05:53 PM)bronconick Wrote:  Former Wake Forest Football Assistant Provided Game Plan Information to Opponents

#WakeyLeaks

The whole thing just keeps getting weirder and weirder. Why would that guy do that to his own alma mater? Is this some sort of weird revenge thing on Clawson for not hiring him? Did he simply need the money?

The whole thing is just really, really strange.

News and Observer link http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/colle...01733.html

(12-13-2016 06:04 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 05:53 PM)bronconick Wrote:  Former Wake Forest Football Assistant Provided Game Plan Information to Opponents

#WakeyLeaks

The whole thing just keeps getting weirder and weirder. Why would that guy do that to his own alma mater? Is this some sort of weird revenge thing on Clawson for not hiring him? Did he simply need the money?

The whole thing is just really, really strange.

News and Observer link http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/colle...01733.html

http://www.journalnow.com/sports/

It will be interesting to see what appears in the W/S Journal

(12-13-2016 06:25 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 06:04 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 05:53 PM)bronconick Wrote:  Former Wake Forest Football Assistant Provided Game Plan Information to Opponents

#WakeyLeaks

The whole thing just keeps getting weirder and weirder. Why would that guy do that to his own alma mater? Is this some sort of weird revenge thing on Clawson for not hiring him? Did he simply need the money?

The whole thing is just really, really strange.

News and Observer link http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/colle...01733.html

http://www.journalnow.com/sports/

It will be interesting to see what appears in the W/S Journal

Now, the question is which schools accepted the offered materials? It kinda looks like Louisville might have.

BTW, there are some commercial espionage laws that MIGHT apply to this.

(11-26-2016 10:31 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(11-26-2016 08:55 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-26-2016 08:36 PM)ken d Wrote:  On another thread, someone said that Wake had accused Louisville of cheating. I asked if there was a link to that somewhere (I couldn't find anything on the internet) but I got no answer. Did Wake ever say anything more than that they had found a stray copy of their game plan, and were investigating how that happened?

http://www.journalnow.com/sports/wfu/wak...57221.html

From the article:

"Wake Forest officials are investigating how documents pertaining to the Deacons' game plan might have ended up in Louisville’s hands before last Saturday’s football game at Papa John’s Cardinal Stadium.

“We are concerned that there was some type of security breach,’’ coach Dave Clawson said Tuesday. “I have shared it with Ron Wellman, and we’re doing everything we can to make sure all of our information and data is more secure moving forward.’’

WF is usually guarded with what they say in public, Wellman in particular. If you are reading for just plain English you might glean one meaning, but if you are in fact reading Legalese you have to consider all the possible meanings of words.

So does that mean that the answer to my question is no? I took those comments to mean that Wake was concerned one of their staff was careless, not that they thought Louisville had stolen anything or cheated in some way.

Perhaps the document in question was found in the press box?

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/spo.../95396116/

Wake Forest does not conclude in its findings whether anyone on the Louisville staff received or attempted to obtain the materials.

If he offered it to Louisville, then Lonnie Galloway would be the one he gave it to. They worked very closely together at Wake.

Shame to see Elrod ruin his career this way.

(12-13-2016 06:29 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 06:25 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 06:04 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 05:53 PM)bronconick Wrote:  Former Wake Forest Football Assistant Provided Game Plan Information to Opponents

#WakeyLeaks

The whole thing just keeps getting weirder and weirder. Why would that guy do that to his own alma mater? Is this some sort of weird revenge thing on Clawson for not hiring him? Did he simply need the money?

The whole thing is just really, really strange.

News and Observer link http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/colle...01733.html

http://www.journalnow.com/sports/

It will be interesting to see what appears in the W/S Journal

Now, the question is which schools accepted the offered materials? It kinda looks like Louisville might have.

BTW, there are some commercial espionage laws that MIGHT apply to this.

That was my question. Can they do any thing to him other than fine him and ban him from campus? Were any laws broken? I didn't see any thing like that mentioned in the various articles.

(12-13-2016 09:07 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 06:29 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 06:25 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 06:04 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 05:53 PM)bronconick Wrote:  Former Wake Forest Football Assistant Provided Game Plan Information to Opponents

#WakeyLeaks

The whole thing just keeps getting weirder and weirder. Why would that guy do that to his own alma mater? Is this some sort of weird revenge thing on Clawson for not hiring him? Did he simply need the money?

The whole thing is just really, really strange.

News and Observer link http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/colle...01733.html

http://www.journalnow.com/sports/

It will be interesting to see what appears in the W/S Journal

Now, the question is which schools accepted the offered materials? It kinda looks like Louisville might have.

BTW, there are some commercial espionage laws that MIGHT apply to this.

That was my question. Can they do any thing to him other than fine him and ban him from campus? Were any laws broken? I didn't see any thing like that mentioned in the various articles.

Somehow the investigators got access to the guy's texts. I suppose he could have been using a cell phone provided to him by WFU or maybe he voluntarily allowed access to the texts or maybe criminal investigators got access to the records. If criminal investigators are involved this is a very serious matter for anyone who accepted the inside info.

I'm guessing not everyone "discovered" the materials

Elrod used his company cell phone and e-mail to do this. So Wake and IMG have the correspondence he did to peddle this stuff. Elrod has retained a prominent defense attorney in Winston-Salem to defend him.

He was also fired from his day job at Verger Capital that Wake got for him.

I hope that once the dust starts to settle a little on this the next step is Wellman determines who's bright idea it was to allow a non-staff/team member to have access to the plan in the first place. I understand that he's an alum and the color guy but neither qualifies as a legitimate reason to give someone that kind of access, and there is zero to gain from granting him that kind of access.

I mean God almighty when I was coaching even at the JV level gameplans were guarded like the crown jewels. How does someone allow this to happen?

He won't have to look far. Pretty sure that was Wellman's decision.

(12-14-2016 12:31 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  I hope that once the dust starts to settle a little on this the next step is Wellman determines who's bright idea it was to allow a non-staff/team member to have access to the plan in the first place. I understand that he's an alum and the color guy but neither qualifies as a legitimate reason to give someone that kind of access, and there is zero to gain from granting him that kind of access.

I mean God almighty when I was coaching even at the JV level gameplans were guarded like the crown jewels. How does someone allow this to happen?

You think that really matters now? There's text and e-mail evidence that members of the coaching staffs of other schools received these materials. Coaches at other schools should be fired. Games should be forfeited. If other schools and the ACC try to look the other way, WFU may be able to insist on criminally prosecuting the guilty.

(12-14-2016 09:02 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 12:31 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  I hope that once the dust starts to settle a little on this the next step is Wellman determines who's bright idea it was to allow a non-staff/team member to have access to the plan in the first place. I understand that he's an alum and the color guy but neither qualifies as a legitimate reason to give someone that kind of access, and there is zero to gain from granting him that kind of access.

I mean God almighty when I was coaching even at the JV level gameplans were guarded like the crown jewels. How does someone allow this to happen?

You think that really matters now? There's text and e-mail evidence that members of the coaching staffs of other schools received these materials. Coaches at other schools should be fired. Games should be forfeited. If other schools and the ACC try to look the other way, WFU may be able to insist on criminally prosecuting the guilty.

Yes I do think it matters now. If they aren't responsible/intelligent enough to keep a gameplan out of the hands of someone outside the staff/team how can you trust them with anything?

And honestly I would hold off on calling for the head of anybody on another staff unless it can be determined that they initiated the exchange. If Elrod was pushing the deal I don't see how you can call for firing a coach from another program because there simply isn't a program out there that would turn the information down just like there isn't a program out there that isn't trying to steal an opponent's signs and signals. Hell, I know coaches who either signed up themselves or had one of their coaching friends from another team who have signed up for seminars for the sole purpose of getting an insight on the speaker's program's style.

Were the game plans wrapped around a packet of cigars?

I would like to think that most schools would reject an illicit copy of the opponents game plan but would also notify the opponent.

I can see giving a copy to the radio guy. Especially considering his deep ties to the program.

(12-14-2016 12:14 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  I would like to think that most schools would reject an illicit copy of the opponents game plan but would also notify the opponent.

I can see giving a copy to the radio guy. Especially considering his deep ties to the program.

I tend to put this in the same category as looking at your opponent's cards when he holds them wrong. You gain some advantages, but you didn't do anything to cheat. It's on Wake to keep secrets better!

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This just makes the Wake Forest Football program look bush league and stupid! l

(12-14-2016 12:14 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  I would like to think that most schools would reject an illicit copy of the opponents game plan but would also notify the opponent.

This was going on for three years, so they obviously didn't.

(12-14-2016 12:23 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 12:14 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  I would like to think that most schools would reject an illicit copy of the opponents game plan but would also notify the opponent.

I can see giving a copy to the radio guy. Especially considering his deep ties to the program.

I tend to put this in the same category as looking at your opponent's cards when he holds them wrong. You gain some advantages, but you didn't do anything to cheat. It's on Wake to keep secrets better!

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That is my take as well.