MS13
Bloods
Crips
Mexican Mafia
Hell's Angels
Outlaws
etc, etc?

I'd say the same reason why the MOB or Irish Street Gangs weren't classified as terrorist groups.

Street gangs don't plant bombs to kill innocent civilians as a means to install fear for political gain. Street gangs tend to distribute drugs and prostitution and attack rival gangs. Sometimes innocent people get caught up in the cross-fire. Cartels are a blend of both, but are moving closer to the terrorism spectrum.

Indiscriminate killing of "civilians", young, old, men women, children. The most harm to the most people without regard for.... anything.?

Many of those groups are indeed Bad Hombres, but generally speaking they keep it in the "family".

MS13, especially, is approaching that line, been creeping there since my first experience with them in about '87...

They are criminal syndicates as opposed to groups using violence to push political agendas; however, if the outcome is the same then why does it matter if the motive is different? Correct me if I'm wrong, but a number of those groups actually control neighborhoods, and that in a sense they have created their own justice system in a similar way as if sharia law was enacted. No doubt there is some stretching comparing them since the body counts of Islamic terrorists are higher than street gangs, but enough people have been in the crossfire between competing gangs plus some kids being killed for not joining up is bringing terrorism to those neighborhoods.

I get that attaching this label to the bloods or the crips would be very tough. However, for gangs that have illegal aliens as members - different ballgame IMHO.

(03-09-2017 10:44 PM)miko33 Wrote:  MS13
Bloods
Crips
Mexican Mafia
Hell's Angels
Outlaws
etc, etc?

They don't target innocent people, they target other bad guys.

(03-10-2017 09:16 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 10:44 PM)miko33 Wrote:  MS13
Bloods
Crips
Mexican Mafia
Hell's Angels
Outlaws
etc, etc?

They don't target innocent people, they target other bad guys.

Maybe, but at the same time most of these groups are also carving out territories. If you are an innocent person who happens to wear the wrong colored shirt... That's indiscriminate killing in my book. With those examples in mind, their INTENT is to not harm innocents; however, their actions show that innocents are easily targeted on the flimsiest of reasons (like a certain shirt color or hat). MCs generally do not have turf like a classic street gang would, so I can see those types of criminal organizations not making the list.

The street gangs are targeting police officers now which have become political. Police officers enforce the law that have been passed by our elected officials.

LZ Granderson did an article opinion piece on Chicago street gangs.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/24/opinio...go-terror/

He came out and say that street gangs. I think we do need to expand the definition of what are terrorism. It is anybody or group that causes harm and terror to others. That should include the New Black Panthers, the KKK, White Supremacist groups, mobsters, drug cartel, drug dealers, skin heads and who name it. If I am President, I would include these groups as terrorists. I would even call the
Westboro Baptist Church freaks as terrorists as well.

(03-10-2017 09:50 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 09:16 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 10:44 PM)miko33 Wrote:  MS13
Bloods
Crips
Mexican Mafia
Hell's Angels
Outlaws
etc, etc?

They don't target innocent people, they target other bad guys.

Maybe, but at the same time most of these groups are also carving out territories. If you are an innocent person who happens to wear the wrong colored shirt... That's indiscriminate killing in my book. With those examples in mind, their INTENT is to not harm innocents; however, their actions show that innocents are easily targeted on the flimsiest of reasons (like a certain shirt color or hat). MCs generally do not have turf like a classic street gang would, so I can see those types of criminal organizations not making the list.

I doubt innocent people wearing the wrong shirt are getting killed.

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(03-10-2017 08:25 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The street gangs are targeting police officers now which have become political. Police officers enforce the law that have been passed by our elected officials.

LZ Granderson did an article opinion piece on Chicago street gangs.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/24/opinio...go-terror/

He came out and say that street gangs. I think we do need to expand the definition of what are terrorism. It is anybody or group that causes harm and terror to others. That should include the New Black Panthers, the KKK, White Supremacist groups, mobsters, drug cartel, drug dealers, skin heads and who name it. If I am President, I would include these groups as terrorists. I would even call the
Westboro Baptist Church freaks as terrorists as well.

Street gangs are targeting cops randomly? I don't think it is street gangs doing it. Last thing they want is a reason for the cops to come in and overthrow their operation.

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They are defined as racketeering organizations. Their main claim to fame is the fact that they want to make money through illicit trade.

Now, the fact that they join the military to get fighting experience and connections may make them something else.

(03-10-2017 12:50 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Street gangs don't plant bombs to kill innocent civilians as a means to install fear for political gain. Street gangs tend to distribute drugs and prostitution and attack rival gangs. Sometimes innocent people get caught up in the cross-fire. Cartels are a blend of both, but are moving closer to the terrorism spectrum.

Cartels are simply corporations without legal backing, IMO.