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RE: Jack Whitman to transfer
Can't post the link right now, but si.com has an article today about how transfers are killing the mid major programs. Interesting portion in there about Towson as well.

http://www.si.com/college-basketball/201...tournament
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(03-15-2017 10:55 AM)Tribe32 Wrote:  For all of you discussing the grad degree stuff, just remember that just because someone enrolls in grad school doesn't mean that there is intention to graduate in two years. I'll bet a lot of these folks are just taking advantage of the transfer rules to play an extra year for a) fun, or b) to get ready to play pro ball over seas. I'm not saying that Jack is in that boat, but many are.

Agreed. You can probably count on one hand the number of players who took advantage of this loophole to actually pursue a specific academic degree. Usually, you pick the program you'd like to transfer to and then find a major they offer that your school doesn't so you can play for another year without sitting out. This loophole is used all the time by guys looking for something else.

Whitman was either unhappy here (didn't seem to be, but with other recent departures and Knight taking minutes, who knows?) or wanted to be in a different situation (whether to try out a different team, start more, get a chance to dance, etc.). It's definitely a blow to our depth, but with the prevalence of this kind of transfer now, I wouldn't take it as some major commentary on the College that it's happened.

Personally, I thought he might look elsewhere because of Knight. Nobody loves losing a starting job. He's graduated and is probably looking for a situation that suits him better. Best of luck to him. He always played hard, so I wish him nothing but the best (unless he plays us, of course).
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I'm sure this decision was well thought out. Here's my two cents . If you think you have game; why stay at Wm and Mary? Why not look for a staff that that can elevate you? Players look for systems that will showcase their skills. For post players, that's not happening at Wm and Mary.
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Bingo.

(03-15-2017 11:17 AM)SoCal Frank Wrote:  I'm sure this decision was well thought out. Here's my two cents . If you think you have game; why stay at Wm and Mary? Why not look for a staff that that can elevate you? Players look for systems that will showcase their skills. For post players, that's not happening at Wm and Mary.
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As much as I am taken by surprise by this decision and I am saddened by it, I wish Jack the best of luck.

I appreciate that we are left to speculate about it and Jack hasn't been going around gabbing about it such that everything, good or bad is widely known.

I have been a fan of Jack's for sometime and appreciate all he has brought to the program. I am just disappointed that it is coming to a premature ending in my opinion.

Thanks Jack for all that you have done and contributed.
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(03-15-2017 01:38 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  As much as I am taken by surprise by this decision and I am saddened by it, I wish Jack the best of luck.

I appreciate that we are left to speculate about it and Jack hasn't been going around gabbing about it such that everything, good or bad is widely known.

I have been a fan of Jack's for sometime and appreciate all he has brought to the program. I am just disappointed that it is coming to a premature ending in my opinion.

Thanks Jack for all that you have done and contributed.
I couldn't agree more about Jack, I talked to him at length his first year, cause I also had shoulder problems. I also talk to his parents last year at the practice invite. What a class act the family is. I also wish him the best of luck and am sorry/happy to see him leave and fulfill him educational goals. This is what college is all about!!!
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Very disappointed, but after reading the si.com article earlier today, this is commonplace. He is graduating from my alma mater in less time than it took me. I can't criticize a person for taking advantage of an opportunity(and one that apparently dozens of players are now doing each year). See my above post if you want to read the article.

Good luck to Jack and his family in the next portion of his life. He will be missed.
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All this should produce some added interest at the April 7th Basketball Dinner.
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(03-15-2017 11:04 AM)TribePride91 Wrote:  Can't post the link right now, but si.com has an article today about how transfers are killing the mid major programs. Interesting portion in there about Towson as well.

http://www.si.com/college-basketball/201...tournament

Good article. Would be nice to have statistics on how many players transfer down using the grad year rule to have some context for the number of players moving up. I know NU had the Murphy kid from Florida this year.

I saw this grad transfer rule change as a thinly veiled attempt to enrich the power conference schools when it first came out. As noted in the article, less than half the kids that transfer under this rule actual receive a master's degree. My suggestion, there should be an NCAA panel that reviews and approves applications for grad transfers, similar to what happens for medical redshirts. The application process should confirm that the desired major is not offered by the undergraduate institution and the proposed grad program is in line with the course of undergraduate study. Master program graduation rates of receiving schools should factor into the APR for the receiving school to further ensure the rule is not being abused. Obviously not going to prevent all abuse, but perhaps a step up from the current situation.
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Just putting this here: I see Julian Boatner is an assistant at Mt. Saint Marys...would be nice to get him back in Williamsburg.

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Christian too, right? Maybe a successor when Shaver retires.

(03-15-2017 05:14 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Just putting this here: I see Julian Boatner is an assistant at Mt. Saint Marys...would be nice to get him back in Williamsburg.

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We could do a lot worse than these 2, but for now it appears we're set and lucky to have Tony and his staff for what we are offering.


(03-15-2017 06:08 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  Christian too, right? Maybe a successor when Shaver retires.

(03-15-2017 05:14 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Just putting this here: I see Julian Boatner is an assistant at Mt. Saint Marys...would be nice to get him back in Williamsburg.

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I get that, but at some point Shaver will retire, and it would be great to get some ex Tribe players and coaches back in the Burg.
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(03-15-2017 05:11 PM)WMTribe90 Wrote:  
(03-15-2017 11:04 AM)TribePride91 Wrote:  Can't post the link right now, but si.com has an article today about how transfers are killing the mid major programs. Interesting portion in there about Towson as well.

http://www.si.com/college-basketball/201...tournament

Good article. Would be nice to have statistics on how many players transfer down using the grad year rule to have some context for the number of players moving up. I know NU had the Murphy kid from Florida this year.

I saw this grad transfer rule change as a thinly veiled attempt to enrich the power conference schools when it first came out. As noted in the article, less than half the kids that transfer under this rule actual receive a master's degree. My suggestion, there should be an NCAA panel that reviews and approves applications for grad transfers, similar to what happens for medical redshirts. The application process should confirm that the desired major is not offered by the undergraduate institution and the proposed grad program is in line with the course of undergraduate study. Master program graduation rates of receiving schools should factor into the APR for the receiving school to further ensure the rule is not being abused. Obviously not going to prevent all abuse, but perhaps a step up from the current situation.
Despite being burned by transfers a couple of times, I'm against anything that restricts players. They get screwed enough as it is.

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(03-15-2017 05:11 PM)WMTribe90 Wrote:  
(03-15-2017 11:04 AM)TribePride91 Wrote:  Can't post the link right now, but si.com has an article today about how transfers are killing the mid major programs. Interesting portion in there about Towson as well.

http://www.si.com/college-basketball/201...tournament

Good article. Would be nice to have statistics on how many players transfer down using the grad year rule to have some context for the number of players moving up. I know NU had the Murphy kid from Florida this year.

I saw this grad transfer rule change as a thinly veiled attempt to enrich the power conference schools when it first came out. As noted in the article, less than half the kids that transfer under this rule actual receive a master's degree. My suggestion, there should be an NCAA panel that reviews and approves applications for grad transfers, similar to what happens for medical redshirts. The application process should confirm that the desired major is not offered by the undergraduate institution and the proposed grad program is in line with the course of undergraduate study. Master program graduation rates of receiving schools should factor into the APR for the receiving school to further ensure the rule is not being abused. Obviously not going to prevent all abuse, but perhaps a step up from the current situation.
I do agree on the APR part. That one's on the school.

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(03-15-2017 06:35 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  I get that, but at some point Shaver will retire, and it would be great to get some ex Tribe players and coaches back in the Burg.

No doubt. I agree with you on getting ex-Tribe players and coaches back, but we will need to evaluate that at the appropriate time as to who is available when decides to retire.

I'd like to see these 2 guys get a shot, but who knows where things will stand for them or us at that undetermined time?
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Well, things starting to heat up with grad, as well as, undergrad transfer announcements. With all the current coach firings, the transfer numbers will get even bigger. The staff certainly has their opportunities now, with 3 open slots, whether transfer or unsigned seniors.

Corey Manigault, 6'8 230lb freshman PF, Pitt, played at PaulVI in Fairfax
Cooper LaRue, unsigned HS senior, 6'5" PG/SG, Rusty LaRue's son, West Forsyth, NC, has the academics.
Too many to list.

I sure hope Jack transfers out of state. Not sure I could stand to see him at VCU (talk on their boards, VCU does have solid options in PT graduate work) or Richmond, where both have immediate post needs.

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(03-16-2017 03:11 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  Well, things starting to heat up with grad, as well as, undergrad transfer announcements. With all the current coach firings, the transfer numbers will get even bigger. The staff certainly has their opportunities now, with 3 open slots, whether transfer or unsigned seniors.

Corey Manigault, 6'8 230lb freshman PF, Pitt, played at PaulVI in Fairfax
Cooper LaRue, unsigned HS senior, 6'5" PG/SG, Rusty LaRue's son, West Forsyth, NC, has the academics.
Too many to list.

I sure hope Jack transfers out of state. Not sure I could stand to see him at VCU (talk on their boards, VCU does have solid options in PT graduate work) or Richmond, where both have immediate post needs.

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The demands of graduate school for professional health-related fields are too great to play D1 sports at the same time. Med School and PT school (basically doctoral only now) essentially have Class 8-5 M-F solid.

Traditional MA/MS programs in more general concentrations have fewer classroom hours so that would possible. Pharmacy is an option I suppose.
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What ever happened to the Haeffner twins? We have room for them both.

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(03-16-2017 05:10 PM)3xTribe Wrote:  What ever happened to the Haeffner twins? We have room for them both.

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According to Verbal Commits Brett Haeffner is undecided and there are no offers listed. AJ doesn't seem to have a VC page.
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