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RE: Gill - does Gill go or stay
(12-02-2017 09:50 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  If I can get inside McCaw's head for a minute, this is how I imagine his train of thought:

- The 2018 season will have a ton of excitement due to moving up to FBS whether or not a new coach is hired.
- Hiring a coach for 2019 will keep the excitement high as the school looks to be bowl eligible for the first year.
- Hiring a new coach and finishing the transition in 2018 would condense two years worth of excitement into one and not maximize the publicity and excitement.
- 2018 will be a tough season for anyone as we don't have an FBS caliber roster. It should be better in 2019 as some underclassmen start playing more and were FBS recruits as opposed to the FCS recruits ahead of them. Having the new coach go 5-7 his first year in 2018 could hurt his image as it is worse than the 6-5 in 2015 and 2016. Average fans probably won't be able to tell the difference (us posting on a messageboard clearly are more involved than the average fan so we obviously know the difference. I'm talking about the t-shirt, Walmart fans. The people who think Buckshot Calvert was a Civil War general and not the starting quarterback).

That's my brainstorm for now. We'll see how Gill in '18 goes and hope that someone can "Make Liberty Great Again."

In addition, I could see Gill's contract as part of the reason IM kept him. Let him play out 2018 and save some money by not buying out his contract.
12-02-2017 01:52 PM
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What if he goes 5-7 or better next season? What then?

I am hopeful for great success for the team next year. I hope we can fill the expanded stadium. I think we will.
12-02-2017 07:47 PM
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(12-02-2017 07:47 PM)army56mike Wrote:  What if he goes 5-7 or better next season? What then?

I am hopeful for great success for the team next year. I hope we can fill the expanded stadium. I think we will.

I think 5-7 will keep him another year to see what he can do. 4-8 is eh 3-9 would be really hot and 2-10 he would be gone.
12-02-2017 08:21 PM
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I've come to terms with it. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense. The money buyout is one issue, but probably not primary, in my opinion. I think it comes down to needing to build a foundation before we can hire the coach we want. Stated differently, it wouldn't surprise me at all that we were (or would be) rejected by all the coaches we pursued, assuming we did in fact test the waters and are going for a homerun hire (relative to G5 standards).

I think TG is a C- coach, at either FBS (throwing out Kansas) or FCS. It wouldn't surprise me if TG gets 2-3 years to help transition our C- FCS squad into a C- FBS squad. There has to be a big difference for a future coach to take over a team that has at least 3 years of FBS recruits, even if it isn't ideal. If we can average classes of 20% 3* and 40% 2*, we'll have a team composite of 15-20 3* and 30-40 2* (just spit balling the math).

As the FBS transition starts to lose it's newness, we'll be in a position to spike interest from the fans by hiring a new HC in our 3rd year. And, perhaps, have a lot more bargaining power by offering from the position of a C- FBS vs. FCS squad.

I'd like to think TG can get 5 wins, each of the next two years, given that two of those are FCS. But if we pull a coastal 2-10, a real possibility, that's more reason why our ideal coach isn't going to walk into a year one nightmare and trash his record. I think we are playing the long game.
12-04-2017 12:20 PM
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(12-04-2017 12:20 PM)Willflop Wrote:  I've come to terms with it. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense. The money buyout is one issue, but probably not primary, in my opinion. I think it comes down to needing to build a foundation before we can hire the coach we want. Stated differently, it wouldn't surprise me at all that we were (or would be) rejected by all the coaches we pursued, assuming we did in fact test the waters and are going for a homerun hire (relative to G5 standards).

I think TG is a C- coach, at either FBS (throwing out Kansas) or FCS. It wouldn't surprise me if TG gets 2-3 years to help transition our C- FCS squad into a C- FBS squad. There has to be a big difference for a future coach to take over a team that has at least 3 years of FBS recruits, even if it isn't ideal. If we can average classes of 20% 3* and 40% 2*, we'll have a team composite of 15-20 3* and 30-40 2* (just spit balling the math).

As the FBS transition starts to lose it's newness, we'll be in a position to spike interest from the fans by hiring a new HC in our 3rd year. And, perhaps, have a lot more bargaining power by offering from the position of a C- FBS vs. FCS squad.

I'd like to think TG can get 5 wins, each of the next two years, given that two of those are FCS. But if we pull a coastal 2-10, a real possibility, that's more reason why our ideal coach isn't going to walk into a year one nightmare and trash his record. I think we are playing the long game.

Just a correction CCU is 3-9. They actually didn't do terribly, minus the WIU game, considering their head coach was out for the entire year. Other than that I agree with everything you said.
12-05-2017 07:45 AM
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(12-05-2017 07:45 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(12-04-2017 12:20 PM)Willflop Wrote:  I've come to terms with it. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense. The money buyout is one issue, but probably not primary, in my opinion. I think it comes down to needing to build a foundation before we can hire the coach we want. Stated differently, it wouldn't surprise me at all that we were (or would be) rejected by all the coaches we pursued, assuming we did in fact test the waters and are going for a homerun hire (relative to G5 standards).

I think TG is a C- coach, at either FBS (throwing out Kansas) or FCS. It wouldn't surprise me if TG gets 2-3 years to help transition our C- FCS squad into a C- FBS squad. There has to be a big difference for a future coach to take over a team that has at least 3 years of FBS recruits, even if it isn't ideal. If we can average classes of 20% 3* and 40% 2*, we'll have a team composite of 15-20 3* and 30-40 2* (just spit balling the math).

As the FBS transition starts to lose it's newness, we'll be in a position to spike interest from the fans by hiring a new HC in our 3rd year. And, perhaps, have a lot more bargaining power by offering from the position of a C- FBS vs. FCS squad.

I'd like to think TG can get 5 wins, each of the next two years, given that two of those are FCS. But if we pull a coastal 2-10, a real possibility, that's more reason why our ideal coach isn't going to walk into a year one nightmare and trash his record. I think we are playing the long game.

Just a correction CCU is 3-9. They actually didn't do terribly, minus the WIU game, considering their head coach was out for the entire year. Other than that I agree with everything you said.

Thanks for the correction. It also looks like 6 of their losses were within 8 points, so it'll be interesting how they improve in 18.
12-05-2017 12:28 PM
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