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Future B1G FB schedules: Conference games every week except wk 2
Starting in 2020: http://btn.com/2017/09/12/see-your-teams...schedules/

They'll be doing this in 2020 and 2021 just as they get ready to negotiate the next contracts; their current TV deals expire after the 2022-23 school year. So this looks like a ploy to show the value of the TV content as the next TV contracts are being negotiated.

This seems like a half-hearted gesture. None of the early-week games appear to be significant clashes, certainly not compared to some of the key conference games the ACC, Pac-12, and SEC play in September.

Another thing of note in these schedules, perhaps a further indication of the diminishing relevance of Nebraska football: Nebraska will no longer play Wisconsin in the final week of the regular season. Iowa and Wisconsin will now play that week, and the Huskers will play Minnesota.
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(09-12-2017 03:22 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Starting in 2020: http://btn.com/2017/09/12/see-your-teams...schedules/

They'll be doing this in 2020 and 2021 just as they get ready to negotiate the next contracts; their current TV deals expire after the 2022-23 school year. So this looks like a ploy to show the value of the TV content as the next TV contracts are being negotiated.

This seems like a half-hearted gesture. None of the early-week games appear to be significant clashes, certainly not compared to some of the key conference games the ACC, Pac-12, and SEC play in September.

Another thing of note in these schedules, perhaps a further indication of the diminishing relevance of Nebraska football: Nebraska will no longer play Wisconsin in the final week of the regular season. Iowa and Wisconsin will now play that week, and the Huskers will play Minnesota.
Think it has to do with the BTN. They are spreading their ooc around so they don't have weeks of 14 games and no in conference followed by 7 to 9 weeks of 6-7 games, all in conference. They don't want to throw a bunch of games into the BTN overflow channels.

Think you will see this with ACC and Pac 12 too. SEC is already doing it.
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RE: Future B1G FB schedules: Conference games every week except wk 2
(09-12-2017 08:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 03:22 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Starting in 2020: http://btn.com/2017/09/12/see-your-teams...schedules/

They'll be doing this in 2020 and 2021 just as they get ready to negotiate the next contracts; their current TV deals expire after the 2022-23 school year. So this looks like a ploy to show the value of the TV content as the next TV contracts are being negotiated.

This seems like a half-hearted gesture. None of the early-week games appear to be significant clashes, certainly not compared to some of the key conference games the ACC, Pac-12, and SEC play in September.

Another thing of note in these schedules, perhaps a further indication of the diminishing relevance of Nebraska football: Nebraska will no longer play Wisconsin in the final week of the regular season. Iowa and Wisconsin will now play that week, and the Huskers will play Minnesota.
Think it has to do with the BTN. They are spreading their ooc around so they don't have weeks of 14 games and no in conference followed by 7 to 9 weeks of 6-7 games, all in conference. They don't want to throw a bunch of games into the BTN overflow channels.

Think you will see this with ACC and Pac 12 too. SEC is already doing it.

Pretty much. And it permits them to spread out key non conference games to get more national attention instead of burying them in a saturated opening week schedule, and then later pitting them against the prime time game of deeper conferences.

It will benefit the national profile of Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State and Wisconsin to do this. I'd add Nebraska but I think they've fallen a long way.
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RE: Future B1G FB schedules: Conference games every week except wk 2
It looks like they stuck with the same Parity schedule cross-overs for all six years from 2016 to 2021

OSU-Neb
Mich-Wisc
PSU-Iowa
MSU-NW
MD-Minn
Rut-ILL
Indy-Pur

And they are finishing the 6 year rotation so that everybody will have played everybody at least twice in six years.

What will be interesting how will they do the next cycle starting in 2022.
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RE: Future B1G FB schedules: Conference games every week except wk 2
There is speculation that Nebraska's last game will now be rotated every 2 years between Iowa, Minn and Wisc. I even saw one fan refer to it as The Quadrangle of Hate!

Even though Nebraska's last games in 2020 and 2021 against Minn are listed on the last Saturday, odds are those games will be moved to Black Friday, assuming that Minn agrees. Even the Iowa-Wisc game might get moved to Black Friday too if both Iowa and Wisc agree.
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RE: Future B1G FB schedules: Conference games every week except wk 2
(09-12-2017 08:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 03:22 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Starting in 2020: http://btn.com/2017/09/12/see-your-teams...schedules/

They'll be doing this in 2020 and 2021 just as they get ready to negotiate the next contracts; their current TV deals expire after the 2022-23 school year. So this looks like a ploy to show the value of the TV content as the next TV contracts are being negotiated.

This seems like a half-hearted gesture. None of the early-week games appear to be significant clashes, certainly not compared to some of the key conference games the ACC, Pac-12, and SEC play in September.

Another thing of note in these schedules, perhaps a further indication of the diminishing relevance of Nebraska football: Nebraska will no longer play Wisconsin in the final week of the regular season. Iowa and Wisconsin will now play that week, and the Huskers will play Minnesota.
Think it has to do with the BTN. They are spreading their ooc around so they don't have weeks of 14 games and no in conference followed by 7 to 9 weeks of 6-7 games, all in conference. They don't want to throw a bunch of games into the BTN overflow channels.

Think you will see this with ACC and Pac 12 too. SEC is already doing it.

ACC, Pac-12, and SEC have some early-week conference games, but they include better games than these Big Ten games, as I mentioned above.

Pac-12 doesn't need to do anything to the football schedule vis-a-vis games on PTN, because the only PTN football games not on the "Pac-12 national" channel are games vs. FCS teams. Might be more of a concern for conferences with 14 teams, I suppose.
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I would think every conference would want to avoid having too many FCS games on one weekend (nothing worth showing), or too many marquee games (can't show them all).
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RE: Future B1G FB schedules: Conference games every week except wk 2
(09-12-2017 03:22 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Another thing of note in these schedules, perhaps a further indication of the diminishing relevance of Nebraska football: Nebraska will no longer play Wisconsin in the final week of the regular season. Iowa and Wisconsin will now play that week, and the Huskers will play Minnesota.

OR, they're making room for the Nebraska-Oklahoma matchup when the Sooners join the conference.
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(09-13-2017 09:25 AM)YNot Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 03:22 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Another thing of note in these schedules, perhaps a further indication of the diminishing relevance of Nebraska football: Nebraska will no longer play Wisconsin in the final week of the regular season. Iowa and Wisconsin will now play that week, and the Huskers will play Minnesota.

OR, they're making room for the Nebraska-Oklahoma matchup when the Sooners join the conference.

That's EXACTLY what I was thinking.

Be curious to see what the 23/24 schedules look like.
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(09-13-2017 10:22 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:25 AM)YNot Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 03:22 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Another thing of note in these schedules, perhaps a further indication of the diminishing relevance of Nebraska football: Nebraska will no longer play Wisconsin in the final week of the regular season. Iowa and Wisconsin will now play that week, and the Huskers will play Minnesota.

OR, they're making room for the Nebraska-Oklahoma matchup when the Sooners join the conference.

That's EXACTLY what I was thinking.

Be curious to see what the 23/24 schedules look like.

If the B1G was smart, they would try to pull the trigger on Texas/Oklahoma before the SEC can even if that's before the GoR expires. If they snagged those two, how would the SEC respond? Or would they respond?
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RE: Future B1G FB schedules: Conference games every week except wk 2
(09-13-2017 03:20 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 10:22 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:25 AM)YNot Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 03:22 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Another thing of note in these schedules, perhaps a further indication of the diminishing relevance of Nebraska football: Nebraska will no longer play Wisconsin in the final week of the regular season. Iowa and Wisconsin will now play that week, and the Huskers will play Minnesota.

OR, they're making room for the Nebraska-Oklahoma matchup when the Sooners join the conference.

That's EXACTLY what I was thinking.

Be curious to see what the 23/24 schedules look like.

If the B1G was smart, they would try to pull the trigger on Texas/Oklahoma before the SEC can even if that's before the GoR expires. If they snagged those two, how would the SEC respond? Or would they respond?

Texas can't head to a FOX held conference without ESPN's blessing and I seriously doubt they would get it. Oklahoma on its own lacks the academic credentials and even if that were to be waived by the Big 10 I'm not so sure the Sooners would want to be there on their own. And then the question over how tied they are to Oklahoma State remains unanswered. And perhaps the bigger question would be can Kansas actually cover their way into a conference that is basketball strong and has a current payout (as of 2018) of 51 million per school? That's a tall order.

The simple truth is that the schools that would pay their way into the Big 10 and meet their criteria are to the East and to the far West. Outside of Texas there isn't one to the South-Southwest.

If Texas could shake loose or receive Mickey Mouse's blessing then Steamboat Bevo and Kansas would probably make a profitable and acceptable pair for the Big 10. And Oklahoma and Oklahoma State would likely stick together and look to the SEC. But we'll see.
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(09-12-2017 08:37 PM)goofus Wrote:  It looks like they stuck with the same Parity schedule cross-overs for all six years from 2016 to 2021

OSU-Neb
Mich-Wisc
PSU-Iowa
MSU-NW
MD-Minn
Rut-ILL
Indy-Pur

And they are finishing the 6 year rotation so that everybody will have played everybody at least twice in six years.

What will be interesting how will they do the next cycle starting in 2022.

Depending on how long DJ Durkin and PJ Fleck stick around, this could be a really fun game.
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(09-13-2017 03:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 03:20 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 10:22 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:25 AM)YNot Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 03:22 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Another thing of note in these schedules, perhaps a further indication of the diminishing relevance of Nebraska football: Nebraska will no longer play Wisconsin in the final week of the regular season. Iowa and Wisconsin will now play that week, and the Huskers will play Minnesota.

OR, they're making room for the Nebraska-Oklahoma matchup when the Sooners join the conference.

That's EXACTLY what I was thinking.

Be curious to see what the 23/24 schedules look like.

If the B1G was smart, they would try to pull the trigger on Texas/Oklahoma before the SEC can even if that's before the GoR expires. If they snagged those two, how would the SEC respond? Or would they respond?

Texas can't head to a FOX held conference without ESPN's blessing and I seriously doubt they would get it. Oklahoma on its own lacks the academic credentials and even if that were to be waived by the Big 10 I'm not so sure the Sooners would want to be there on their own. And then the question over how tied they are to Oklahoma State remains unanswered. And perhaps the bigger question would be can Kansas actually cover their way into a conference that is basketball strong and has a current payout (as of 2018) of 51 million per school? That's a tall order.

The simple truth is that the schools that would pay their way into the Big 10 and meet their criteria are to the East and to the far West. Outside of Texas there isn't one to the South-Southwest.

If Texas could shake loose or receive Mickey Mouse's blessing then Steamboat Bevo and Kansas would probably make a profitable and acceptable pair for the Big 10. And Oklahoma and Oklahoma State would likely stick together and look to the SEC. But we'll see.

Thats not even close to true. They are in a conference who has half their FB contract with Fox. Texas has the call about the Long Horn Network. They can ditch it anytime they want and ESPN would be very happy they did. It's an albatross around their neck. ESPN doesn't have Texas under it's thumb, in fact it's the opposite. Texas has ESPN paying them for a station thats causing ESPN to lose money on and not just from paying Texas but from operating said network.
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(09-13-2017 05:20 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 03:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 03:20 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 10:22 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 09:25 AM)YNot Wrote:  OR, they're making room for the Nebraska-Oklahoma matchup when the Sooners join the conference.

That's EXACTLY what I was thinking.

Be curious to see what the 23/24 schedules look like.

If the B1G was smart, they would try to pull the trigger on Texas/Oklahoma before the SEC can even if that's before the GoR expires. If they snagged those two, how would the SEC respond? Or would they respond?

Texas can't head to a FOX held conference without ESPN's blessing and I seriously doubt they would get it. Oklahoma on its own lacks the academic credentials and even if that were to be waived by the Big 10 I'm not so sure the Sooners would want to be there on their own. And then the question over how tied they are to Oklahoma State remains unanswered. And perhaps the bigger question would be can Kansas actually cover their way into a conference that is basketball strong and has a current payout (as of 2018) of 51 million per school? That's a tall order.

The simple truth is that the schools that would pay their way into the Big 10 and meet their criteria are to the East and to the far West. Outside of Texas there isn't one to the South-Southwest.

If Texas could shake loose or receive Mickey Mouse's blessing then Steamboat Bevo and Kansas would probably make a profitable and acceptable pair for the Big 10. And Oklahoma and Oklahoma State would likely stick together and look to the SEC. But we'll see.

Thats not even close to true. They are in a conference who has half their FB contract with Fox. Texas has the call about the Long Horn Network. They can ditch it anytime they want and ESPN would be very happy they did. It's an albatross around their neck. ESPN doesn't have Texas under it's thumb, in fact it's the opposite. Texas has ESPN paying them for a station thats causing ESPN to lose money on and not just from paying Texas but from operating said network.

Read the contract, at least the available portions of it. ESPN didn't pay them an average of 15 million a year for 1 game for nothing.
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Kansas covers its way if the model goes to 3 divisions. At 15 the B10 can split:

Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois
Wisconsin, MSU, Michigan, Indiana, Purdue
NW, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, MD

The money made by the semi final would pay Kansas' way without the B10 having to make a huge academic exception for OU and having to "cow-tow" to Texas.

If the B10 model stays fixed on cable television sets, only a Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, or Texas school moves the needle. AAU is a red herring, but you have to be a graduate research intensive school and generally ranked in most measures above Nebraska. In those five states that would be VT, UVa, UNC, NC State, Duke, GT, UGa, Florida, FSU, and Texas.

Duke's small size would make it about 50% the size of Northwestern. VT and NC State are both STEMs with a more limited liberal arts component due to the way things are split between UNC and NCSU and UVa and VT. Moreover all 5 of these schools are relatively happy where they are. Even if NC State wanted to leave, UNC likely would veto such a move. Why would Florida or FSU want to play in the Big 10? Same goes for Georgia or GT. Without a "push" the extra money doesn't offset the intangibles.

That leaves Kansas and Mizzou as the most likely movers and of the two Kansas has to be more appealing to the B10 - IF - the three division scenario develops.
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(09-13-2017 06:55 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Kansas covers its way if the model goes to 3 divisions. At 15 the B10 can split:

Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois
Wisconsin, MSU, Michigan, Indiana, Purdue
NW, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, MD

The money made by the semi final would pay Kansas' way without the B10 having to make a huge academic exception for OU and having to "cow-tow" to Texas.

it's hard to calculate the value for basketball. The semis would help, but would they help 51 million dollars worth? In the Big 10 basketball revenue is about 20% of the total revenue So if the payout's 51 million Kansas could account for between 10-11 million. Would the football revenue really account for 40 million more? Remember too that the Big 10 has gate sharing. Although the percentage is not that high a school that averaged 25,900 per home game last year is a drain on the main brands of the Big 10.
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(09-13-2017 07:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 06:55 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Kansas covers its way if the model goes to 3 divisions. At 15 the B10 can split:

Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois
Wisconsin, MSU, Michigan, Indiana, Purdue
NW, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, MD

The money made by the semi final would pay Kansas' way without the B10 having to make a huge academic exception for OU and having to "cow-tow" to Texas.

it's hard to calculate the value for basketball. The semis would help, but would they help 51 million dollars worth? In the Big 10 basketball revenue is about 20% of the total revenue So if the payout's 51 million Kansas could account for between 10-11 million. Would the football revenue really account for 40 million more? Remember too that the Big 10 has gate sharing. Although the percentage is not that high a school that averaged 25,900 per home game last year is a drain on the main brands of the Big 10.

B10 gate revenue sharing is not as great as it's made out to be, however it's not negligible and I would think that annual games with Iowa, Nebraska, plus other B10 foes would draw traveling fans into Kansas City/Lawrence and get their attendance back up to at least 40K.

For the sake of argument say the annual Kanas schedule is Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois, Minn, plus 5 other Big 10 games. Then add Kansas State and I think it improves. The issue would be what the Big 10 gets in the Mizzou side of Kansas City.

Football is king now, but looking 20-30 years down the road with changing demographics and possible concussion issues - perhaps Kansas hedges their bet?

No conference will ever yank Texas' chain. Will OSU and Michigan yield to Texas on Big 10 matters? I just don't see it. That issue alone is what gives the ACC trepidation about Texas in any form. On paper and by TV sets, VT or NC State bring more to the B10. Chasing UVa and UNC is a pipe dream. It seems to me other than Kansas, their best hope would be for GT to go broke, but again, other than Mizzou and Kansas, who wants to be in the B10?
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(09-13-2017 07:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 06:55 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Kansas covers its way if the model goes to 3 divisions. At 15 the B10 can split:

Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois
Wisconsin, MSU, Michigan, Indiana, Purdue
NW, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, MD

The money made by the semi final would pay Kansas' way without the B10 having to make a huge academic exception for OU and having to "cow-tow" to Texas.

it's hard to calculate the value for basketball. The semis would help, but would they help 51 million dollars worth? In the Big 10 basketball revenue is about 20% of the total revenue So if the payout's 51 million Kansas could account for between 10-11 million. Would the football revenue really account for 40 million more? Remember too that the Big 10 has gate sharing. Although the percentage is not that high a school that averaged 25,900 per home game last year is a drain on the main brands of the Big 10.

If Lumber means what I think - 2 more football games in the form of a conference semi-final round - I think $51M for 2 games is reasonable (wasn't the championship game worth over $30M for them?). Beyond that, Kansas probably adds a few million a year for basketball (TV + NCAA), but not $51M... as you've pointed out before, it would have to come from a bump in football revenue when the threshold is that high.
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(09-13-2017 07:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 07:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 06:55 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Kansas covers its way if the model goes to 3 divisions. At 15 the B10 can split:

Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois
Wisconsin, MSU, Michigan, Indiana, Purdue
NW, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, MD

The money made by the semi final would pay Kansas' way without the B10 having to make a huge academic exception for OU and having to "cow-tow" to Texas.

it's hard to calculate the value for basketball. The semis would help, but would they help 51 million dollars worth? In the Big 10 basketball revenue is about 20% of the total revenue So if the payout's 51 million Kansas could account for between 10-11 million. Would the football revenue really account for 40 million more? Remember too that the Big 10 has gate sharing. Although the percentage is not that high a school that averaged 25,900 per home game last year is a drain on the main brands of the Big 10.

If Lumber means what I think - 2 more football games in the form of a conference semi-final round - I think $51M for 2 games is reasonable (wasn't the championship game worth over $30M for them?). Beyond that, Kansas probably adds a few million a year for basketball (TV + NCAA), but not $51M... as you've pointed out before, it would have to come from a bump in football revenue when the threshold is that high.

Yes, two more games, but even more importantly one more title to win and a wild card race for the fans.

The internal structural issues for football that you get into when cross 15 schools is damn significant. The issue will become "how many do you get play every year". POD's cut that to three with 4 pods. Two divisions tie up 7 games for 16, and 8 if you go to 18. Around here, "NC and Va" most of the schools have at least 4 games they want every year to go with games they just as soon play every other year.

I think divisions of 5 and 6 make that easier.

For example, the only way the ACC goes to 18 in football is with ND and Texas. You could have an ACC West that features Texas, TCU, ND, Pitt, FSU, and any one of Texas Tech, Navy, Tulane, BC, etc.

At 15, and split three ways, a division with ND would likely include Pitt, BC, Miami, and VT or Louisville.

I guess my point is that divisions of 5 and 6 make easier to play who you want to play and avoid who you want to avoid.
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(09-13-2017 07:23 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 07:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 07:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 06:55 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Kansas covers its way if the model goes to 3 divisions. At 15 the B10 can split:

Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois
Wisconsin, MSU, Michigan, Indiana, Purdue
NW, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, MD

The money made by the semi final would pay Kansas' way without the B10 having to make a huge academic exception for OU and having to "cow-tow" to Texas.

it's hard to calculate the value for basketball. The semis would help, but would they help 51 million dollars worth? In the Big 10 basketball revenue is about 20% of the total revenue So if the payout's 51 million Kansas could account for between 10-11 million. Would the football revenue really account for 40 million more? Remember too that the Big 10 has gate sharing. Although the percentage is not that high a school that averaged 25,900 per home game last year is a drain on the main brands of the Big 10.

If Lumber means what I think - 2 more football games in the form of a conference semi-final round - I think $51M for 2 games is reasonable (wasn't the championship game worth over $30M for them?). Beyond that, Kansas probably adds a few million a year for basketball (TV + NCAA), but not $51M... as you've pointed out before, it would have to come from a bump in football revenue when the threshold is that high.

Yes, two more games, but even more importantly one more title to win and a wild card race for the fans.

The internal structural issues for football that you get into when cross 15 schools is damn significant. The issue will become "how many do you get play every year". POD's cut that to three with 4 pods. Two divisions tie up 7 games for 16, and 8 if you go to 18. Around here, "NC and Va" most of the schools have at least 4 games they want every year to go with games they just as soon play every other year.

I think divisions of 5 and 6 make that easier.

I've been a proponent of 3 divisions of 6 for quite sometime. The semi aspect is one reward, but keeping more schools invested deep into the season for that best at large spot is even more valuable to the schools in pursuit. Plus it yields enough regional games that rivals can be covered.

And in both the SEC and ACC the divisions at 18 break down quite nicely with regard to geography.

Fifteen I'm not as keen on because for one thing it is an odd number so the number of idle weeks has to be doubled to work it out. With 18 you can play the 5 in your division and rotate 2 each from the other two divisions and with 9 conference games you play everyone in your conference every three years. That still leaves 3 for scheduling a key OOC game or OOC rival, and having two left to guarantee 7 home games a year.

And in both conferences having semi sights selected to spread the experience around is key as well. You could pick venues close to the higher seeds. In the SEC we have St. Louis, Dallas, Houston, New Orleans, Nashville, Jacksonville, and other sites that would suffice if the finals were left in Atlanta. That's three major cities a year where we can showcase our product. The ACC has many up and down the coast as well. For baseball you could have two tournaments where the final two for each could advance. There's lots of options that can be mulled over.
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