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So what should we expect for the ACC Network to be paid? 07-coffee3
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(09-22-2017 09:37 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  So what should we expect for the ACC Network to be paid? 07-coffee3

The range of gross annual revenues for the BTN and SECN are $400 million and $570 million respectively. Something in that range is a reasonable guess for the ACCN.

After covering expenses and ESPN retaining its share of the profits, I think we're looking at per school payouts in the range of $5-$10 million.
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(09-22-2017 09:37 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  So what should we expect for the ACC Network to be paid? 07-coffee3

The range of gross annual revenues for the BTN and SECN are $400 million and $570 million respectively. Something in that range is a reasonable guess for the ACCN.

After covering expenses and ESPN retaining its share of the profits, I think we're looking at per school payouts in the range of $5-$10 million.

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(09-22-2017 06:51 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  The SEC does not get a 50-50 split for the SECN with espn. I've looked all over the Internet and I cannot find anything. I thought I once saw 30/70 but that was probably on here. It could be 10%. ESPN will not reveal what they are paying the SEC for it.

I found an older article that thought it was close to a 50/50 sphttp://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/08/how_the_sec_network_became_a_n.htmllit.
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ACC being bundled with the SEC Network in NYC. ESPN should win this...as a viable competitor exists in NYC.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...-fee-talks
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(09-22-2017 06:51 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  The SEC does not get a 50-50 split for the SECN with espn. I've looked all over the Internet and I cannot find anything. I thought I once saw 30/70 but that was probably on here. It could be 10%. ESPN will not reveal what they are paying the SEC for it.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/...e_a_n.html

Scroll down just past the bolded bullet point that says "ESPN's power..." and you will find the article states that the contract details were not disclosed but they had been told it was just below a 50/50 split. What I have been told by those who are in the know is that it is a 50/50 split of the NET profits. That means a split of the profits after expenses have been taken out. Hence, why they said slightly less than a 50/50 split. Only I wouldn't call it "slightly". Expenses are expenses and they all are signficant %'s of the Gross Revenue.

The Big 10 foots its overhead out of its pocket and FOX foots their overhead out of the profits and then the Big 10 gets 49.9% of the profits and FOX gets 50.1% of the profits. The difference here is that ESPN deducts all of the expenses and then splits the remaining profit.

The reason the SECN is valued at almost 3 times the worth of the BTN is because of the rates charged. We get 1.30 to 1.40 depending upon the carrier and the state it is carried in. The Big 10 gets about .90 per subscription within their footprint. The SEC's rate of .25 cents per subscription outside of its footprint is over double what most conferences get.

Needless to say the SECN is netting us enough that nobody's complaining.
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RE: ACC Network financial prospects
(09-22-2017 05:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 06:51 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  The SEC does not get a 50-50 split for the SECN with espn. I've looked all over the Internet and I cannot find anything. I thought I once saw 30/70 but that was probably on here. It could be 10%. ESPN will not reveal what they are paying the SEC for it.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/...e_a_n.html

Scroll down just past the bolded bullet point that says "ESPN's power..." and you will find the article states that the contract details were not disclosed but they had been told it was just below a 50/50 split. What I have been told by those who are in the know is that it is a 50/50 split of the NET profits. That means a split of the profits after expenses have been taken out. Hence, why they said slightly less than a 50/50 split. Only I wouldn't call it "slightly". Expenses are expenses and they all are signficant %'s of the Gross Revenue.

The Big 10 foots its overhead out of its pocket and FOX foots their overhead out of the profits and then the Big 10 gets 49.9% of the profits and FOX gets 50.1% of the profits. The difference here is that ESPN deducts all of the expenses and then splits the remaining profit.

The reason the SECN is valued at almost 3 times the worth of the BTN is because of the rates charged. We get 1.30 to 1.40 depending upon the carrier and the state it is carried in. The Big 10 gets about .90 per subscription within their footprint. The SEC's rate of .25 cents per subscription outside of its footprint is over double what most conferences get.

Needless to say the SECN is netting us enough that nobody's complaining.

It would not surprise me for the ACCN to get $2.00 in the State of NC, and $1.75 in Va.
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(09-22-2017 09:18 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 05:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 06:51 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  The SEC does not get a 50-50 split for the SECN with espn. I've looked all over the Internet and I cannot find anything. I thought I once saw 30/70 but that was probably on here. It could be 10%. ESPN will not reveal what they are paying the SEC for it.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/...e_a_n.html

Scroll down just past the bolded bullet point that says "ESPN's power..." and you will find the article states that the contract details were not disclosed but they had been told it was just below a 50/50 split. What I have been told by those who are in the know is that it is a 50/50 split of the NET profits. That means a split of the profits after expenses have been taken out. Hence, why they said slightly less than a 50/50 split. Only I wouldn't call it "slightly". Expenses are expenses and they all are signficant %'s of the Gross Revenue.

The Big 10 foots its overhead out of its pocket and FOX foots their overhead out of the profits and then the Big 10 gets 49.9% of the profits and FOX gets 50.1% of the profits. The difference here is that ESPN deducts all of the expenses and then splits the remaining profit.

The reason the SECN is valued at almost 3 times the worth of the BTN is because of the rates charged. We get 1.30 to 1.40 depending upon the carrier and the state it is carried in. The Big 10 gets about .90 per subscription within their footprint. The SEC's rate of .25 cents per subscription outside of its footprint is over double what most conferences get.

Needless to say the SECN is netting us enough that nobody's complaining.

It would not surprise me for the ACCN to get $2.00 in the State of NC, and $1.75 in Va.

If ESPN & state law permits then why not? 6 of the 14 full members hail from those two states. If anything it's a great way to make up for duplicated footprints.

I just hope we get to bundle our two networks in New York City. That would be a sweet boost.
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(09-22-2017 10:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 09:18 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 05:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 06:51 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  The SEC does not get a 50-50 split for the SECN with espn. I've looked all over the Internet and I cannot find anything. I thought I once saw 30/70 but that was probably on here. It could be 10%. ESPN will not reveal what they are paying the SEC for it.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/...e_a_n.html

Scroll down just past the bolded bullet point that says "ESPN's power..." and you will find the article states that the contract details were not disclosed but they had been told it was just below a 50/50 split. What I have been told by those who are in the know is that it is a 50/50 split of the NET profits. That means a split of the profits after expenses have been taken out. Hence, why they said slightly less than a 50/50 split. Only I wouldn't call it "slightly". Expenses are expenses and they all are signficant %'s of the Gross Revenue.

The Big 10 foots its overhead out of its pocket and FOX foots their overhead out of the profits and then the Big 10 gets 49.9% of the profits and FOX gets 50.1% of the profits. The difference here is that ESPN deducts all of the expenses and then splits the remaining profit.

The reason the SECN is valued at almost 3 times the worth of the BTN is because of the rates charged. We get 1.30 to 1.40 depending upon the carrier and the state it is carried in. The Big 10 gets about .90 per subscription within their footprint. The SEC's rate of .25 cents per subscription outside of its footprint is over double what most conferences get.

Needless to say the SECN is netting us enough that nobody's complaining.

It would not surprise me for the ACCN to get $2.00 in the State of NC, and $1.75 in Va.

If ESPN & state law permits then why not? 6 of the 14 full members hail from those two states. If anything it's a great way to make up for duplicated footprints.

I just hope we get to bundle our two networks in New York City. That would be a sweet boost.

It will be interesting to see how that works out, but the northeast is notoriously apathetic to college sports. The ACC at least has Syracuse and ND (big factor in the ACCN, cannot be understated) as a draw in that area, but I doubt anyone knows the SEC exists. My reservation with it is that the ACC might have to take a lesser rate to get carriage for the SEC. I'm sure a good strategy is already in place and I would also think that the Syracuse AD (former espn tv executive) has been and will continue to be a valuable resource in this effort.
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(09-23-2017 07:12 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 10:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 09:18 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 05:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 06:51 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  The SEC does not get a 50-50 split for the SECN with espn. I've looked all over the Internet and I cannot find anything. I thought I once saw 30/70 but that was probably on here. It could be 10%. ESPN will not reveal what they are paying the SEC for it.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/...e_a_n.html

Scroll down just past the bolded bullet point that says "ESPN's power..." and you will find the article states that the contract details were not disclosed but they had been told it was just below a 50/50 split. What I have been told by those who are in the know is that it is a 50/50 split of the NET profits. That means a split of the profits after expenses have been taken out. Hence, why they said slightly less than a 50/50 split. Only I wouldn't call it "slightly". Expenses are expenses and they all are signficant %'s of the Gross Revenue.

The Big 10 foots its overhead out of its pocket and FOX foots their overhead out of the profits and then the Big 10 gets 49.9% of the profits and FOX gets 50.1% of the profits. The difference here is that ESPN deducts all of the expenses and then splits the remaining profit.

The reason the SECN is valued at almost 3 times the worth of the BTN is because of the rates charged. We get 1.30 to 1.40 depending upon the carrier and the state it is carried in. The Big 10 gets about .90 per subscription within their footprint. The SEC's rate of .25 cents per subscription outside of its footprint is over double what most conferences get.

Needless to say the SECN is netting us enough that nobody's complaining.

It would not surprise me for the ACCN to get $2.00 in the State of NC, and $1.75 in Va.

If ESPN & state law permits then why not? 6 of the 14 full members hail from those two states. If anything it's a great way to make up for duplicated footprints.

I just hope we get to bundle our two networks in New York City. That would be a sweet boost.

It will be interesting to see how that works out, but the northeast is notoriously apathetic to college sports. The ACC at least has Syracuse and ND (big factor in the ACCN, cannot be understated) as a draw in that area, but I doubt anyone knows the SEC exists. My reservation with it is that the ACC might have to take a lesser rate to get carriage for the SEC. I'm sure a good strategy is already in place and I would also think that the Syracuse AD (former espn tv executive) has been and will continue to be a valuable resource in this effort.

They are only talking about bundling the networks in New York City. Every SEC fan base has an active group there. Are anyone of them a significant % in the city? No. But as a whole it would be an option they would exercise. The same is true for the ACC outside of Syracuse and Notre Dame. By bundling all I think they are trying to do is to demonstrate a more significant (albeit smallish) % to show the potential. Even ambient college football fans should be accounted for. I wouldn't call a New Yorker a t-shirt fan, let's call them sidewalk fans of college football. They'll look in and window shop games, but probably won't walk into a venue even if they could.
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(09-22-2017 10:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 09:18 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 05:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 06:51 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  The SEC does not get a 50-50 split for the SECN with espn. I've looked all over the Internet and I cannot find anything. I thought I once saw 30/70 but that was probably on here. It could be 10%. ESPN will not reveal what they are paying the SEC for it.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/...e_a_n.html

Scroll down just past the bolded bullet point that says "ESPN's power..." and you will find the article states that the contract details were not disclosed but they had been told it was just below a 50/50 split. What I have been told by those who are in the know is that it is a 50/50 split of the NET profits. That means a split of the profits after expenses have been taken out. Hence, why they said slightly less than a 50/50 split. Only I wouldn't call it "slightly". Expenses are expenses and they all are signficant %'s of the Gross Revenue.

The Big 10 foots its overhead out of its pocket and FOX foots their overhead out of the profits and then the Big 10 gets 49.9% of the profits and FOX gets 50.1% of the profits. The difference here is that ESPN deducts all of the expenses and then splits the remaining profit.

The reason the SECN is valued at almost 3 times the worth of the BTN is because of the rates charged. We get 1.30 to 1.40 depending upon the carrier and the state it is carried in. The Big 10 gets about .90 per subscription within their footprint. The SEC's rate of .25 cents per subscription outside of its footprint is over double what most conferences get.

Needless to say the SECN is netting us enough that nobody's complaining.

It would not surprise me for the ACCN to get $2.00 in the State of NC, and $1.75 in Va.

If ESPN & state law permits then why not? 6 of the 14 full members hail from those two states. If anything it's a great way to make up for duplicated footprints.

I just hope we get to bundle our two networks in New York City. That would be a sweet boost.

I don't know of any law against it. It is as important for me to be able see State, VT, and WF win as it is for me to see Duke and UNC lose. ACCN will be an absolute must in both states, plus a good deal of SC - the entire Charlotte Media Footprint, Greenville-Spart, and Myrtle Beach.
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(09-23-2017 01:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 07:12 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 10:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 09:18 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 05:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/...e_a_n.html

Scroll down just past the bolded bullet point that says "ESPN's power..." and you will find the article states that the contract details were not disclosed but they had been told it was just below a 50/50 split. What I have been told by those who are in the know is that it is a 50/50 split of the NET profits. That means a split of the profits after expenses have been taken out. Hence, why they said slightly less than a 50/50 split. Only I wouldn't call it "slightly". Expenses are expenses and they all are signficant %'s of the Gross Revenue.

The Big 10 foots its overhead out of its pocket and FOX foots their overhead out of the profits and then the Big 10 gets 49.9% of the profits and FOX gets 50.1% of the profits. The difference here is that ESPN deducts all of the expenses and then splits the remaining profit.

The reason the SECN is valued at almost 3 times the worth of the BTN is because of the rates charged. We get 1.30 to 1.40 depending upon the carrier and the state it is carried in. The Big 10 gets about .90 per subscription within their footprint. The SEC's rate of .25 cents per subscription outside of its footprint is over double what most conferences get.

Needless to say the SECN is netting us enough that nobody's complaining.

It would not surprise me for the ACCN to get $2.00 in the State of NC, and $1.75 in Va.

If ESPN & state law permits then why not? 6 of the 14 full members hail from those two states. If anything it's a great way to make up for duplicated footprints.

I just hope we get to bundle our two networks in New York City. That would be a sweet boost.

It will be interesting to see how that works out, but the northeast is notoriously apathetic to college sports. The ACC at least has Syracuse and ND (big factor in the ACCN, cannot be understated) as a draw in that area, but I doubt anyone knows the SEC exists. My reservation with it is that the ACC might have to take a lesser rate to get carriage for the SEC. I'm sure a good strategy is already in place and I would also think that the Syracuse AD (former espn tv executive) has been and will continue to be a valuable resource in this effort.

They are only talking about bundling the networks in New York City. Every SEC fan base has an active group there. Are anyone of them a significant % in the city? No. But as a whole it would be an option they would exercise. The same is true for the ACC outside of Syracuse and Notre Dame. By bundling all I think they are trying to do is to demonstrate a more significant (albeit smallish) % to show the potential. Even ambient college football fans should be accounted for. I wouldn't call a New Yorker a t-shirt fan, let's call them sidewalk fans of college football. They'll look in and window shop games, but probably won't walk into a venue even if they could.

New Yorkers may not care much about college football, but they love college basketball. That's going to be what sells the ACCN there.
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(09-25-2017 07:32 AM)orangefan Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 01:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 07:12 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 10:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-22-2017 09:18 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  It would not surprise me for the ACCN to get $2.00 in the State of NC, and $1.75 in Va.

If ESPN & state law permits then why not? 6 of the 14 full members hail from those two states. If anything it's a great way to make up for duplicated footprints.

I just hope we get to bundle our two networks in New York City. That would be a sweet boost.

It will be interesting to see how that works out, but the northeast is notoriously apathetic to college sports. The ACC at least has Syracuse and ND (big factor in the ACCN, cannot be understated) as a draw in that area, but I doubt anyone knows the SEC exists. My reservation with it is that the ACC might have to take a lesser rate to get carriage for the SEC. I'm sure a good strategy is already in place and I would also think that the Syracuse AD (former espn tv executive) has been and will continue to be a valuable resource in this effort.

They are only talking about bundling the networks in New York City. Every SEC fan base has an active group there. Are anyone of them a significant % in the city? No. But as a whole it would be an option they would exercise. The same is true for the ACC outside of Syracuse and Notre Dame. By bundling all I think they are trying to do is to demonstrate a more significant (albeit smallish) % to show the potential. Even ambient college football fans should be accounted for. I wouldn't call a New Yorker a t-shirt fan, let's call them sidewalk fans of college football. They'll look in and window shop games, but probably won't walk into a venue even if they could.

New Yorkers may not care much about college football, but they love college basketball. That's going to be what sells the ACCN there.

This, mostly. NYC gave coverage to the BTN because they have multiple groups in NYC, in spite of B1G football and hoops being generally non-exciting. Bundling the SEC with the ACC should match or exceed the NYC rates. Further, the ACC recruits non-athletic scholarship students heavily from NYC, LI and Jersey. Bringing the ACC and the SEC to NYC would cover the three sports that matter in the general area, football, basketball and lacrosse.

The long play on this could be incredible. The more exposure to NYC both the SEC and ACC get, the more the city will tune in. NYC likes winners, especially perpetual winners.
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The SECN is a football network. The ACCN is a three legged stool consisting of Basketball, Football, and Notre Dame.

In the Northeast Syracuse, Duke, ND, Pitt, and UNC basketball along with all things ND is the main draw.
In the Southeast FSU, Miami, Clemson, VT, GT, NC State, and UNC football is the draw along with Duke, UNC, NC State, and UVa basketball.
In the KY to Chicago area the draw is Louisville and Notre Dame
In the DC/MD/Del area the draw is VT and Pitt football, UVa, Pitt, UNC, and Duke basketball, and ND
In the SE Alabama and SE Tennessee area the draw is FSU and GT football and probably Duke and UNC basketball
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