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Boren Stepping Down At Oklahoma
It has yet to be substantiated but reliable sources at an OU site stated this tonight.

We'll have to wait to see if this impacts realignment.

Edit: Boren just announced his retirement effective 6/30/18 and from his remarks there will be no interim and if a suitable candidate is not found by that time he will stay until one is selected.
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Given Boren's past antics, it's kind of disappointing that he didn't at least troll the Big 12 on his way out the door, right?

He could have invited Jim Delany to his retirement announcement and then tweeted, "Join me and my special guest Jim Delany for an important announcement about the future of the University of Oklahoma today at 2:00 pm." 03-lmfao
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(09-20-2017 02:33 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Given Boren's past antics, it's kind of disappointing that he didn't at least troll the Big 12 on his way out the door, right?

He could have invited Jim Delany to his retirement announcement and then tweeted, "Join me and my special guest Jim Delany for an important announcement about the future of the University of Oklahoma today at 2:00 pm." 03-lmfao

He still has another 9 months to troll the XII

OMG, can you imagine the Oklahoma media soiling their armor if he had invited Delany......

Would have been epic!
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RE: Boren Stepping Down At Oklahoma
(09-20-2017 02:54 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(09-20-2017 02:33 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Given Boren's past antics, it's kind of disappointing that he didn't at least troll the Big 12 on his way out the door, right?

He could have invited Jim Delany to his retirement announcement and then tweeted, "Join me and my special guest Jim Delany for an important announcement about the future of the University of Oklahoma today at 2:00 pm." 03-lmfao

He still has another 9 months to troll the XII

OMG, can you imagine the Oklahoma media soiling their armor if he had invited Delany......

Would have been epic!

The BOR is split over whether to head to the Big 10 or SEC. Both would have soiled their garments but for two entirely different reasons!
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RE: Boren Stepping Down At Oklahoma
So what does this mean for Oklahoma's conference future? Will the board look to bring in someone that is pro-Big Ten or Pro-SEC or do they go with the third option and bring in someone that wants to trudge along in the Big 12?
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(09-20-2017 04:54 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  So what does this mean for Oklahoma's conference future? Will the board look to bring in someone that is pro-Big Ten or Pro-SEC or do they go with the third option and bring in someone that wants to trudge along in the Big 12?

It's hard to say. But if they hire in house then state politics may play a part. If they hire from a national search they are probably just sprucing their academic resume'. Either way however a new president will be easier for their Regents to deal with than a guy was a US Senator, Governor of Oklahoma, and long time President of the University.
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(09-20-2017 05:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-20-2017 04:54 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  So what does this mean for Oklahoma's conference future? Will the board look to bring in someone that is pro-Big Ten or Pro-SEC or do they go with the third option and bring in someone that wants to trudge along in the Big 12?

It's hard to say. But if they hire in house then state politics may play a part. If they hire from a national search they are probably just sprucing their academic resume'. Either way however a new president will be easier for their Regents to deal with than a guy was a US Senator, Governor of Oklahoma, and long time President of the University.

That's the biggest consequence. If OU receives an offer from another conference, it's the regents' decision and not Boren pushing the regents to do everything his way. If OU gets an offer that involves leaving Ok St in the dust, a board of regents composed of longtime Oklahomans who have ties to Ok St people as well as to OU is likely to prefer a situation that includes Ok St. In a scenario in which OU has multiple options, that makes a Big Ten move far less likely.
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(09-20-2017 03:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-20-2017 02:54 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(09-20-2017 02:33 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Given Boren's past antics, it's kind of disappointing that he didn't at least troll the Big 12 on his way out the door, right?

He could have invited Jim Delany to his retirement announcement and then tweeted, "Join me and my special guest Jim Delany for an important announcement about the future of the University of Oklahoma today at 2:00 pm." 03-lmfao

He still has another 9 months to troll the XII

OMG, can you imagine the Oklahoma media soiling their armor if he had invited Delany......

Would have been epic!

The BOR is split over whether to head to the Big 10 or SEC. Both would have soiled their garments but for two entirely different reasons!

I still dont think that Oklahoma gets an Big Ten invite due to academics, they already told them no in 2010. And they have no chance if OKST is forced to come with them.
If Big Ten bends their rules like they did for Nebraska then I wish they could get OU, KU, and Mizzou in order to add more of a Big 8 feel to the conference.

I just wish the Pac-16 had worked out because that conference really needs some added football prowess to its school lineup.
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RE: Boren Stepping Down At Oklahoma
(09-20-2017 04:54 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  So what does this mean for Oklahoma's conference future? Will the board look to bring in someone that is pro-Big Ten or Pro-SEC or do they go with the third option and bring in someone that wants to trudge along in the Big 12?

I hope the Big 12 implodes but just have a bad feeling it wont. Oklahoma knows they have a layup to the CFP every year due to thr inconsistency of the other members. Texas should be great but has been awful for almost a decade. And the other teams just dont put it together year in, year out.
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(09-20-2017 04:54 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  So what does this mean for Oklahoma's conference future? Will the board look to bring in someone that is pro-Big Ten or Pro-SEC or do they go with the third option and bring in someone that wants to trudge along in the Big 12?

I think who the BOR hires will tell us a lot about which direction they're looking to go. I'm sure they're looking to hire not only someone who's best for the school, but who will lead them in the direction the BOR wishes.

If you look at the timeline:

2023 - B1G contract with Fox expires
2025 - XII GOR expires

Right now, the B1G has scheduled thru 2021, so it looks like they're about 4 years out.

Realistically, that would mean that preliminary talks with the networks would start around 2021, with full negotiations taking place in 2022. The new contract would be announced in 2023 so any wording in regards to expansion would have to be written into said contract. If they stay with the 4 year out scheduling, that would mean that the 2025 schedules would be announced in 2021, but will probably be delayed until 2022 due to negotiations. That would mean that any potential expansion candidates would probably have to be agreed to by 2021 so those potential candidates would have to be making decisions in 2020 or so.

What it boils down to is that if schools like OU are going to be on the move, we should know within 2 years or so what direction they're going.
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Good, maybe his pet fantasy of having Oklahoma join the Big Ten will die now. 07-coffee3
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From Oklahoma's perspective I think a move to the SEC. Would be favorable due to the opportunity to take Oklahoma St along. From the SEC's perspective I think it's a wise move too. It takes a major piece of the table for both the Big Ten and Pac 12:

What would a Big Ten raid on the Big 12 yield? Texas and Kansas? Doubtful--Texas won't take that deal. The best the Big 12 could muster would be Kansas & Iowa St and that does nothing for them.

The Pac 12 also loses its biggest card in this game--the ability to offer 4-6 Big 12 teams slots and keep rivalries intact. Texas would be the only blueblood involved and with the Oklahoma schools out you're talking about Texas leveraging Baylor and TCU into the deal which the Pac 12 won't like.

Texas is really left with two options--stay in an even weaker Big 12 or follow Oklahoma to the SEC and drag Tech in tow for an 18 team mega-league.
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Okla gonna have to be careful what they wish for leaving B-12.
lose thier recuriting grounds & cupcake sch
they will turn out like Nebraska
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(09-23-2017 06:35 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  From Oklahoma's perspective I think a move to the SEC. Would be favorable due to the opportunity to take Oklahoma St along. From the SEC's perspective I think it's a wise move too. It takes a major piece of the table for both the Big Ten and Pac 12:

What would a Big Ten raid on the Big 12 yield? Texas and Kansas? Doubtful--Texas won't take that deal. The best the Big 12 could muster would be Kansas & Iowa St and that does nothing for them.

The Pac 12 also loses its biggest card in this game--the ability to offer 4-6 Big 12 teams slots and keep rivalries intact. Texas would be the only blueblood involved and with the Oklahoma schools out you're talking about Texas leveraging Baylor and TCU into the deal which the Pac 12 won't like.

Texas is really left with two options--stay in an even weaker Big 12 or follow Oklahoma to the SEC and drag Tech in tow for an 18 team mega-league.

I don't think the SEC is open to OSU coming along with OU. I think they would be open to OSU if they can't get OU but I don't think they'd want both.
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(09-25-2017 03:52 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 06:35 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  From Oklahoma's perspective I think a move to the SEC. Would be favorable due to the opportunity to take Oklahoma St along. From the SEC's perspective I think it's a wise move too. It takes a major piece of the table for both the Big Ten and Pac 12:

What would a Big Ten raid on the Big 12 yield? Texas and Kansas? Doubtful--Texas won't take that deal. The best the Big 12 could muster would be Kansas & Iowa St and that does nothing for them.

The Pac 12 also loses its biggest card in this game--the ability to offer 4-6 Big 12 teams slots and keep rivalries intact. Texas would be the only blueblood involved and with the Oklahoma schools out you're talking about Texas leveraging Baylor and TCU into the deal which the Pac 12 won't like.

Texas is really left with two options--stay in an even weaker Big 12 or follow Oklahoma to the SEC and drag Tech in tow for an 18 team mega-league.

I don't think the SEC is open to OSU coming along with OU. I think they would be open to OSU if they can't get OU but I don't think they'd want both.

You can think that all you would like, but it's not so, except among some message board posters' point of view. The SEC has talked about the pair, and obviously it would be preferable to just land OU, but the general consensus is that we would make money if we had to take both and it gives us one of our main objectives, a greater presence in DFW. Finebaum has been pushing this option to the SEC fan base during his show. It is likely something ESPN would be willing to pay for, otherwise Paul wouldn't even be mentioning it.

The conference office and ESPN will have prefigured the payouts for the most likely combinations and I'm sure we have a pecking order, but this is one of the viable options.

I'm sure the Big 10 has done the same with regards to the pairings they would accept.
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What make u guys think the SEC or B-10 want Okla
both confs are gonna sit patiently for NC & VA

Okla not worth anytuing unless there on Tex back
when they figure out how to get LHN to work as qusia conf network
FSU, GT, Clemcon, VaT, Louv, NCST will join B-12

does SEC really need anybody?
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(09-25-2017 08:22 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  What make u guys think the SEC or B-10 want Okla
both confs are gonna sit patiently for NC & VA

Okla not worth anytuing unless there on Tex back
when they figure out how to get LHN to work as qusia conf network
FSU, GT, Clemcon, VaT, Louv, NCST will join B-12

does SEC really need anybody?

With Oklahoma the SEC gains a large enough share of every major city in Texas to get the same level of share there as if they had landed Texas. And we get it without all of the problems.

Oklahoma was a target in '91 and 26 years later they are still a target. That's why I know, not think, that the SEC wants OU.

As the market model dissipates Virginia and North Carolina will drop as profile targets. Neither is a sports giant in football and football represents at most 20% of a conference's revenue total. Virginia Tech is the better catch out of the two states.
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if Okla was putting that much of dent in Tex market place
Tex & TexA&M would not be top 2 in revenue

I'm sure Okla was a tarket in '91, that was expansion infacny
history has shown that schools will struggle when taken out of there comfort zone

VA & NC are 11 & 12 in population & growing fast
B-10 took MD for a reason
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(09-25-2017 09:16 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  if Okla was putting that much of dent in Tex market place
Tex & TexA&M would not be top 2 in revenue

I'm sure Okla was a tarket in '91, that was expansion infacny
history has shown that schools will struggle when taken out of there comfort zone

VA & NC are 11 & 12 in population & growing fast
B-10 took MD for a reason

If population was what mattered then Temple and Cincinnati would be in a P5 by now.

Brand matters: basketball some and football a whole lot.
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Everything matters, including feeding conf network
BTW, NC & VA population is both larger than Philly
Cin is a small town

I can't see Ala & Auburn getting pushed to the east
west is small states getting huge ratings playing Ala
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