The Boise win I honestly did not expect. Having BC, UNC, Ga Tech and Pitt left, UVA could get three more.

(09-23-2017 11:40 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  The Boise win I honestly did not expect. Having BC, UNC, Ga Tech and Pitt left, UVA could get three more.

Everyone made fun of Bronco when they lost to Richmond but the guy can coach. UVA still has a ways to go but they are not going to be a sure win anymore. The question is how good is the ceiling for them?

(09-23-2017 08:56 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  Everyone made fun of Bronco when they lost to Richmond but the guy can coach. UVA still has a ways to go but they are not going to be a sure win anymore. The question is how good is the ceiling for them?

Yep, I remember. They were even criticizing his work ethic.

George Welsh showed you can win at Virginia. It's not easy, but it can be done. But the Cavs and Gobblers need to put a fence around the state's recruits for it to happen.

(09-23-2017 08:56 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  The question is how good is the ceiling for them?

Well, the ceiling can't be the roof. UNC has claimed that one.

That was a surprising win. But the Cavs were solid throughout. Really makes the Indiana loss at home a head scratcher.

I knew Bronco was a good hire. In time he'll have Virginia in a good place.

I think UVA may actually be decent this year.

The problem for Bronco though is that this may end up being the high-water mark at UVA. He's got a lot of upperclassmen on both sides of the ball, which includes one of two returning QBs in the Coastal (Benkert) plus a few NFL draft picks on defense in Blanding, Kiser and Brown (i.e. guys he didn't recruit).

His first full recruiting cycle did not go well... by 247's rankings UVA had the 58th best recruiting class in the country, which put them ahead of only BC & WF in the ACC. My biggest worry with Bronco was not his coaching ability. He proved he's a good coach at BYU, which I think is a pretty tough job in these times. My concern for him at UVA is his lack of ties & relationships on the east coast.

I could be proven wrong, but I think that while UVA might be solid this year it would be misguided to think that he's turning them around based on this season alone.

(09-25-2017 11:18 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  I think UVA may actually be decent this year.

The problem for Bronco though is that this may end up being the high-water mark at UVA. He's got a lot of upperclassmen on both sides of the ball, which includes one of two returning QBs in the Coastal (Benkert) plus a few NFL draft picks on defense in Blanding, Kiser and Brown (i.e. guys he didn't recruit).

His first full recruiting cycle did not go well... by 247's rankings UVA had the 58th best recruiting class in the country, which put them ahead of only BC & WF in the ACC. My biggest worry with Bronco was not his coaching ability. He proved he's a good coach at BYU, which I think is a pretty tough job in these times. My concern for him at UVA is his lack of ties & relationships on the east coast.

I could be proven wrong, but I think that while UVA might be solid this year it would be misguided to think that he's turning them around based on this season alone.

IMHO that's overrated in a hire. With the exception of the state of Texas and their clannish nature if you can recruit in one place you are going to be able to recruit elsewhere.

(09-25-2017 12:38 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 11:18 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  I think UVA may actually be decent this year.

The problem for Bronco though is that this may end up being the high-water mark at UVA. He's got a lot of upperclassmen on both sides of the ball, which includes one of two returning QBs in the Coastal (Benkert) plus a few NFL draft picks on defense in Blanding, Kiser and Brown (i.e. guys he didn't recruit).

His first full recruiting cycle did not go well... by 247's rankings UVA had the 58th best recruiting class in the country, which put them ahead of only BC & WF in the ACC. My biggest worry with Bronco was not his coaching ability. He proved he's a good coach at BYU, which I think is a pretty tough job in these times. My concern for him at UVA is his lack of ties & relationships on the east coast.

I could be proven wrong, but I think that while UVA might be solid this year it would be misguided to think that he's turning them around based on this season alone.

IMHO that's overrated in a hire. With the exception of the state of Texas and their clannish nature if you can recruit in one place you are going to be able to recruit elsewhere.

I agree with that in pretty much every other instance. But BYU had a built in recruiting base where if a recruit is devout Mormon, he is likely going to play for BYU. Thats an advantage that Bronco had at BYU that he does not have at Virginia. The 8 million Mormons in the US produce a lot of good fb players.

(09-25-2017 12:45 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 12:38 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 11:18 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  I think UVA may actually be decent this year.

The problem for Bronco though is that this may end up being the high-water mark at UVA. He's got a lot of upperclassmen on both sides of the ball, which includes one of two returning QBs in the Coastal (Benkert) plus a few NFL draft picks on defense in Blanding, Kiser and Brown (i.e. guys he didn't recruit).

His first full recruiting cycle did not go well... by 247's rankings UVA had the 58th best recruiting class in the country, which put them ahead of only BC & WF in the ACC. My biggest worry with Bronco was not his coaching ability. He proved he's a good coach at BYU, which I think is a pretty tough job in these times. My concern for him at UVA is his lack of ties & relationships on the east coast.

I could be proven wrong, but I think that while UVA might be solid this year it would be misguided to think that he's turning them around based on this season alone.

IMHO that's overrated in a hire. With the exception of the state of Texas and their clannish nature if you can recruit in one place you are going to be able to recruit elsewhere.

I agree with that in pretty much every other instance. But BYU had a built in recruiting base where if a recruit is devout Mormon, he is likely going to play for BYU. Thats an advantage that Bronco had at BYU that he does not have at Virginia. The 8 million Mormons in the US produce a lot of good fb players.

True, but coming from BYU he does have national name recognition that you wouldn't have hiring a coordinator or a FCS head coach.

(09-25-2017 12:38 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 11:18 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  I think UVA may actually be decent this year.

The problem for Bronco though is that this may end up being the high-water mark at UVA. He's got a lot of upperclassmen on both sides of the ball, which includes one of two returning QBs in the Coastal (Benkert) plus a few NFL draft picks on defense in Blanding, Kiser and Brown (i.e. guys he didn't recruit).

His first full recruiting cycle did not go well... by 247's rankings UVA had the 58th best recruiting class in the country, which put them ahead of only BC & WF in the ACC. My biggest worry with Bronco was not his coaching ability. He proved he's a good coach at BYU, which I think is a pretty tough job in these times. My concern for him at UVA is his lack of ties & relationships on the east coast.

I could be proven wrong, but I think that while UVA might be solid this year it would be misguided to think that he's turning them around based on this season alone.

IMHO that's overrated in a hire. With the exception of the state of Texas and their clannish nature if you can recruit in one place you are going to be able to recruit elsewhere.

SFla has their own peculiarities...however, the guys in Dade-Broward can be won over with schmooze and booze.

(09-25-2017 12:45 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 12:38 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 11:18 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  I think UVA may actually be decent this year.

The problem for Bronco though is that this may end up being the high-water mark at UVA. He's got a lot of upperclassmen on both sides of the ball, which includes one of two returning QBs in the Coastal (Benkert) plus a few NFL draft picks on defense in Blanding, Kiser and Brown (i.e. guys he didn't recruit).

His first full recruiting cycle did not go well... by 247's rankings UVA had the 58th best recruiting class in the country, which put them ahead of only BC & WF in the ACC. My biggest worry with Bronco was not his coaching ability. He proved he's a good coach at BYU, which I think is a pretty tough job in these times. My concern for him at UVA is his lack of ties & relationships on the east coast.

I could be proven wrong, but I think that while UVA might be solid this year it would be misguided to think that he's turning them around based on this season alone.

IMHO that's overrated in a hire. With the exception of the state of Texas and their clannish nature if you can recruit in one place you are going to be able to recruit elsewhere.

I agree with that in pretty much every other instance. But BYU had a built in recruiting base where if a recruit is devout Mormon, he is likely going to play for BYU. Thats an advantage that Bronco had at BYU that he does not have at Virginia. The 8 million Mormons in the US produce a lot of good fb players.

Most of the top devout LDS players actually do not play for BYU. The 4 and 5-star LDS players more often play elsewhere. BYU would have a better team if we were able to land all of the top LDS talent. The majority of returned LDS missionaries actually play elsewhere too - because there are only so many roster spots at BYU (BYU has 73 returned LDS missionaries on its current roster. There are 76 returned LDS missionaries that play for other schools, most at Utah and Utah St., but a significant number at other PAC, MWC, and B1G and B12 schools).

But, the point still stands that there is a substantial LDS recruiting base - and Bronco's recruiting at BYU absolutely focused on and benefited from that base.

(09-25-2017 12:45 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 12:38 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 11:18 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  I think UVA may actually be decent this year.

The problem for Bronco though is that this may end up being the high-water mark at UVA. He's got a lot of upperclassmen on both sides of the ball, which includes one of two returning QBs in the Coastal (Benkert) plus a few NFL draft picks on defense in Blanding, Kiser and Brown (i.e. guys he didn't recruit).

His first full recruiting cycle did not go well... by 247's rankings UVA had the 58th best recruiting class in the country, which put them ahead of only BC & WF in the ACC. My biggest worry with Bronco was not his coaching ability. He proved he's a good coach at BYU, which I think is a pretty tough job in these times. My concern for him at UVA is his lack of ties & relationships on the east coast.

I could be proven wrong, but I think that while UVA might be solid this year it would be misguided to think that he's turning them around based on this season alone.

IMHO that's overrated in a hire. With the exception of the state of Texas and their clannish nature if you can recruit in one place you are going to be able to recruit elsewhere.

I agree with that in pretty much every other instance. But BYU had a built in recruiting base where if a recruit is devout Mormon, he is likely going to play for BYU. Thats an advantage that Bronco had at BYU that he does not have at Virginia. The 8 million Mormons in the US produce a lot of good fb players.

I'm not quite sure that that is an advantage. These 18 year old kids (and yes, the 21 year old mission trip guys too) that signed with BYU weren't all Mormon, but they all had to sign a pledge to not have sex, not drink, not smoke weed (or anything else for that matter), and again, not have sex.

So, time will tell. UVa will never sacrifice its primary purpose, which is education. Other schools have done that, but I just don't see it in the culture at UVa. Oh, and Bronco can still recruit Mormons, but nobody has to sign a pledge that isn't Virginia's Honor Code.