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Trump calls for NFL boycott.
Troll game...

Congress shall make no law abridging...

So a private business owner can't fire or suspend an employee for negatively impacting his/her business?

Talk about abridging freedoms. Wow


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(09-23-2017 10:21 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Troll game...

Congress shall make no law abridging...

So a private business owner can't fire or suspend an employee for negatively impacting his/her business?

Talk about abridging freedoms. Wow


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Nobody said that. That be a straw man.
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It looks like Chargers fans are already boycotting. Who knew Angelenos were so patriotic?

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We have REAL problems in this world, this is NOT one of them.

I refuse to play along and get caught up in this.
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(09-23-2017 11:59 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  We have REAL problems in this world, this is NOT one of them.

I refuse to play along and get caught up in this.

You don't think the culture war (the right's desire for America to be America, and the alt-left's desire for it to be the USSR or the DPRK) in this country is a problem?
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This is exactly the kind of stupid meaningless tripe the elites want the masses caught up in.
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(09-24-2017 12:02 AM)Kronke Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 11:59 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  We have REAL problems in this world, this is NOT one of them.

I refuse to play along and get caught up in this.

You don't think the culture war (the right's desire for America to be America, and the alt-left's desire for it to be the USSR or the DPRK) in this country is a problem?


I understand the culture war aspects, but this particular thing has just gone WAYY too far on both sides. I've made my feelings clear about Kaepernick and I think Bennet was likely also full of it.

The bigger deal everyone makes it, the more and more people are going to protest during the anthem. Even kids are doing it now.

Too many are looking so hard for things to provoke and divide each other and stick their politics in each others faces and FORCE confrontations.

The whole thing is an embarrassing display for our culture imo. We literally are Rome in its latter days.
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(09-23-2017 09:21 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 09:10 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 09:04 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 08:46 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 08:40 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  It's not wrong that "most of America is tired and annoyed" (don't even know if that's true), but it is wrong for a president to come out like this regarding a private business that's doing nothing wrong legally.

Imagine the atmosphere here if Obama had come out and supported the boycott of Chick Fil A by calling the CEO a SOB.

Man 2017 is an interesting time.
Interesting comparison but I don't think its equal.

Trump called players protesting the country on company time unflattering and yes inappropriate names

I don't think chick-fil-a had any employees protesting on company time

But Trump didn't comment on them doing it on company time either. His comments were on the owner's not having a policy to get rid of players who did it. So it's going to be very hard to find a fantastic match. I believe the comparison is still good.

The only thing I can think of as exactly equal was when the NYPD protested the mayor of NY on company time. What if Obama came out and said they were SOBs?

They are getting paid to play not protest. I believe the President was pointing that out and how crazy it is that owners are not fining or firing players that are hurting their business.

A more apt comparison would have been if chick fil a fired an employee protesting the restaurant.

The NYPD protest of the NY mayor would be a more apt comparison. However were the officers protesting while on duty?

I agree that they are getting paid to play, but there was no policy against kneeling during the national anthem. Owners just can't go make rules without consulting the players, unless it's for play. If players got cut or fined for that, they would've been taken to court and pummled by the lawsuit.

Does anyone's workplace have the right to tell you that you MUST stand for the national anthem or pledge of allegiance? ****, they aren't even protesting the national anthem or the flag.

Some were on duty and it shouldn't matter if they're on duty, they were still in uniform.
The owners have the right to dismiss players who are hurting their business. You have the right not to stand just as I have the right not to employ you
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(09-24-2017 05:29 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 09:21 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 09:10 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 09:04 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 08:46 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Interesting comparison but I don't think its equal.

Trump called players protesting the country on company time unflattering and yes inappropriate names

I don't think chick-fil-a had any employees protesting on company time

But Trump didn't comment on them doing it on company time either. His comments were on the owner's not having a policy to get rid of players who did it. So it's going to be very hard to find a fantastic match. I believe the comparison is still good.

The only thing I can think of as exactly equal was when the NYPD protested the mayor of NY on company time. What if Obama came out and said they were SOBs?

They are getting paid to play not protest. I believe the President was pointing that out and how crazy it is that owners are not fining or firing players that are hurting their business.

A more apt comparison would have been if chick fil a fired an employee protesting the restaurant.

The NYPD protest of the NY mayor would be a more apt comparison. However were the officers protesting while on duty?

I agree that they are getting paid to play, but there was no policy against kneeling during the national anthem. Owners just can't go make rules without consulting the players, unless it's for play. If players got cut or fined for that, they would've been taken to court and pummled by the lawsuit.

Does anyone's workplace have the right to tell you that you MUST stand for the national anthem or pledge of allegiance? ****, they aren't even protesting the national anthem or the flag.

Some were on duty and it shouldn't matter if they're on duty, they were still in uniform.
The owners have the right to dismiss players who are hurting their business. You have the right not to stand just as I have the right not to employ you

Correct. On that field as with any workplace...You are on the clock and the owner gets the final say.
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(09-24-2017 12:02 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  This is exactly the kind of stupid meaningless tripe the elites want the masses caught up in.

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This will be an unpopular opinion here, but why is the National Anthem even played at sporting events. I think that cheapens its meaning to play it before a silly game. And if you do it at every sporting event, why not play it before the start of a movie at the theatre, or before work starts in the office.

It would be more respectful if the Anthem was played at truly special occasions.
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(09-23-2017 07:21 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 07:02 PM)Curumim Wrote:  Let us see if the effects of the speech will appear tomorrow...

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I doubt it will. If anything some players are adamant about showing their hate for the US. They hate it so much that it hurts them to pick up their checks.

They just don't seem to understand they are entertainers and you shouldn't go out of your way to offend your customers.
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(09-24-2017 07:46 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(09-24-2017 05:29 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 09:21 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 09:10 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 09:04 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  But Trump didn't comment on them doing it on company time either. His comments were on the owner's not having a policy to get rid of players who did it. So it's going to be very hard to find a fantastic match. I believe the comparison is still good.

The only thing I can think of as exactly equal was when the NYPD protested the mayor of NY on company time. What if Obama came out and said they were SOBs?

They are getting paid to play not protest. I believe the President was pointing that out and how crazy it is that owners are not fining or firing players that are hurting their business.

A more apt comparison would have been if chick fil a fired an employee protesting the restaurant.

The NYPD protest of the NY mayor would be a more apt comparison. However were the officers protesting while on duty?

I agree that they are getting paid to play, but there was no policy against kneeling during the national anthem. Owners just can't go make rules without consulting the players, unless it's for play. If players got cut or fined for that, they would've been taken to court and pummled by the lawsuit.

Does anyone's workplace have the right to tell you that you MUST stand for the national anthem or pledge of allegiance? ****, they aren't even protesting the national anthem or the flag.

Some were on duty and it shouldn't matter if they're on duty, they were still in uniform.
The owners have the right to dismiss players who are hurting their business. You have the right not to stand just as I have the right not to employ you

Correct. On that field as with any workplace...You are on the clock and the owner gets the final say.

Right. They are in uniform and on the clock. This is not on their personal time. I don't care at all what they do on their personal time or what they say.
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(09-24-2017 07:56 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  This will be an unpopular opinion here, but why is the National Anthem even played at sporting events. I think that cheapens its meaning to play it before a silly game. And if you do it at every sporting event, why not play it before the start of a movie at the theatre, or before work starts in the office.

It would be more respectful if the Anthem was played at truly special occasions.

+1 Yours is one of the few posts I totally agree with. I guess we play it at sporting events because there is a large captive audience. Why not recite the pledge of allegiance at sporting events?
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Low energy Jeb, 2%Kasich, Little Marco, Lyin' Ted, Crooked Hillary, and Estrogen Kaine couldn't beat him, but Roger Goodell is finally going to do it!

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I haven't read past page 3 yet. This is the part of Trump that I don't care for. He can be a change agent without having to slop around with the pigs in the mud for every little slight that happens out there today. Some points people need to keep in mind about this:
  • Trump is not a conservative. He has a lot of democrat ideals - especially if you look at the Dem platforms from the 70s and 80s.
  • Trump is playing the populist. Similar to WJC, he's reading the polls and trying to go after low hanging fruit. The majority of people watching the NFL loathe the idea that the players kneel during the Anthem. He's tapping into that. Simple.
  • The NFL is NOT the gov't. They can do whatever they want to with their players. This is still employment at will. If the owners insist on consistent, outward displays of patriotism, then the players who work for that owner must do it. Period. It's no different than you or I having to follow the rules of our respective places of employment.
  • Fans have every right to tune out if they wish. No one is forced to watch the NFL.
  • Both players and owners need to be smart about this. Regardless of what they may believe, the logical course of action will be how do these protests affect the NFL viewership. If it hurts viewership, then the league needs to crack down on the players. If it's neutral or even beneficial, they will remain silent or even encourage "protests".

Why is the national anthem played prior to all sporting events anyways? It seems like something that was added after the fact - like the words "In God We Trust" to our money when the word "Liberty" used to be the only message. Or, it's like adding the words "...under God,..." to the Pledge of Allegiance in the 50's during the Eisenhower administration because of the Cold War.
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(09-23-2017 08:40 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 08:22 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 08:15 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  How does he take such a hard stand on this, but wants us to have a nuanced understanding of the white supremacists in Charlottesville? There were good people on the white supremacists side, but the NFL players are "sons of *******".

It's inconsistent, it's petty, it's even more divisive than what was happening before.

You don't get many presidents publicly going against the first amendment saying that people should be fired for using it.

Right or wrong most of America is tired and annoyed with these anthem protests. Generally protesting is done on your own time not at your place of employment

It's not wrong that "most of America is tired and annoyed" (don't even know if that's true), but it is wrong for a president to come out like this regarding a private business that's doing nothing wrong legally.

Imagine the atmosphere here if Obama had come out and supported the boycott of Chick Fil A by calling the CEO a SOB.

Man 2017 is an interesting time.
If it was a winning issue for Obama, he absolutely would have done it. Difference is the CFA whiners lost big.

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(09-23-2017 09:04 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 08:46 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 08:40 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 08:22 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(09-23-2017 08:15 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  How does he take such a hard stand on this, but wants us to have a nuanced understanding of the white supremacists in Charlottesville? There were good people on the white supremacists side, but the NFL players are "sons of *******".

It's inconsistent, it's petty, it's even more divisive than what was happening before.

You don't get many presidents publicly going against the first amendment saying that people should be fired for using it.

Right or wrong most of America is tired and annoyed with these anthem protests. Generally protesting is done on your own time not at your place of employment

It's not wrong that "most of America is tired and annoyed" (don't even know if that's true), but it is wrong for a president to come out like this regarding a private business that's doing nothing wrong legally.

Imagine the atmosphere here if Obama had come out and supported the boycott of Chick Fil A by calling the CEO a SOB.

Man 2017 is an interesting time.
Interesting comparison but I don't think its equal.

Trump called players protesting the country on company time unflattering and yes inappropriate names

I don't think chick-fil-a had any employees protesting on company time

But Trump didn't comment on them doing it on company time either. His comments were on the owner's not having a policy to get rid of players who did it. So it's going to be very hard to find a fantastic match. I believe the comparison is still good.

The only thing I can think of as exactly equal was when the NYPD protested the mayor of NY on company time. What if Obama came out and said they were SOBs?
He would have lost.

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A good number knelt at the early game in London. So this should be an interesting day

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