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(09-26-2017 11:18 AM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 10:47 AM)Tigx Wrote:  Pete Thamel‏ Verified account @PeteThamel 3m3 minutes ago

Former NCAA official told me today this could end up as the biggest college sports story of our lifetime. "It's also the least surprising."

Yep. Much more to come on this. Athletic programs may crumble in response to this. NCAA basketball may not be the same after this.

We've all known this for a while. Shoe companies and AAU have destroyed college basketball.

Really? Shoe companies and the AAU? Destroying college BB?

The second Kevin Garnett went from HS directly to the pros as the #1 pick, was the day college BB slowly, but surely lost its relevance. Billy Packer predicted it at least 20 years ago and Billy knew full well what went on with the Nike, Adidas and the AAU.
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Kentucky could be University 4.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/press-...1/download

http://247sports.com/Recruitment/Immanue...tInterests

He had both Louisville and Miami involved.
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All time understatement from the press conference:

"We have reached out to the NCAA ... Until today, I don't believe they were aware of this investigation."
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(09-26-2017 11:37 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  Kentucky could be University 4.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/press-...1/download

http://247sports.com/Recruitment/Immanue...tInterests

He had both Louisville and Miami involved.

University 7 is said to be a "private research Uni in Florida with 16,000 students"

That is Miami to a T. The others are wild speculation. U-7 is Miami, though.
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(09-26-2017 10:16 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I hope down the road the legal action will create more opportunities for honest coaches.

Tubby to Louisville?
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(09-26-2017 11:18 AM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 10:47 AM)Tigx Wrote:  Pete Thamel‏ Verified account @PeteThamel 3m3 minutes ago

Former NCAA official told me today this could end up as the biggest college sports story of our lifetime. "It's also the least surprising."

Yep. Much more to come on this. Athletic programs may crumble in response to this. NCAA basketball may not be the same after this.

We've all known this for a while. Shoe companies and AAU have destroyed college basketball.

Sonny Vaccaro's ABCD 'camp' started in 1984. I don't think the shoe companies destroyed college BB, the one-and-dones killed college BB.

Let's put it this way: if you took away the shoe companies and you took away the AAU, would college BB's 'image' and popularity somehow grow?

When Patrick Ewing played against (H)Akeem Olajuwon both players had been around at least 2 years and were 21 years old. Now, if we are lucky we get to see freshmen go head-to-head when their skill set is much less developed (especially for big men).

In 1984, there were 23 basketball teams in the NBA with only 11 roster spots or 253 'NBA jobs'.

In 2017, there are 30 basketball teams in the NBA with 15 roster spots...or 450 'NBA jobs'. The # of NBA jobs has exploded, so has the # of good jobs in Europe and China that didn't really exist in 1984 AND there is the rookie salary cap...which really makes good players want to leave college early. When Glen Robinson hit it big in the NBA draft, the NBA installed a rookie salary cap AND the # of jobs has exploded.

Point is, college BB's primary drawing cards were (a) effort and (b) talented, returning players. Both draws were ruined by the NBA and the # of good paying jobs overseas.

In 1984, Sonny Vacarro was still around pimping players out. In 1984, you could make the argument that college BB was at its highest point relative to other sports.
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Pat Forde ‏Verified account @YahooForde

And here's the kicker. FBI rep to others in CBB operating this way: "We have your playbook. Our investigation is ongoing..."
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(09-26-2017 11:42 AM)Tigx Wrote:  Pat Forde ‏Verified account @YahooForde

And here's the kicker. FBI rep to others in CBB operating this way: "We have your playbook. Our investigation is ongoing..."
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Pop some popcorn and pull up a chair.......
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(09-26-2017 11:26 AM)ddramone Wrote:  Nobody is getting the death penalty. If Penn State didn't get the death penalty, then there is no way any of these Universities will get the death penalty.

I don't have a clue if anyone will get the death penalty or not, but unlike Penn State, this investigation goes to the heart of the financial and business operations of college basketball. Sex crimes may be more sordid and worse, but they did not reflect on the sports business model which is at the heart of this investigation.
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Gallows humor:

Brett McMurphy‏Verified account @Brett_McMurphy 3m3 minutes ago

NCAA announces next year’s NCAA Tournament field will be open to every team, regardless of record, not on probation: all 12 of them.
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(09-26-2017 11:26 AM)ddramone Wrote:  As if we didn't know this already. I predict that some heads will roll at some Universities, but that's about it. Think about Reggie Bush at USC or the booster at Michigan. Heck, look at Penn State - they are #4 in the country right now in FB and I cannot imagine a worse scandal.

There are two things underlying all of this:

1. College BB is rapidly becoming irrelevant. Sorry, but every year that goes by when there are more and more 'one-and-dones' just confirms what everyone knows: the game lacks any compelling players who stay more than one year....and for the really good players, college BB is a place to make sure you showcase your potential and....not get hurt.

2. I don't think it's a coincidence that this involves Adidas which has been really aggressive in trying to grow its U.S. market share.

So, you have a aggressive 'buyer' and a desperate 'seller'. Great environment for which payola needs to flourish.

Nobody is getting the death penalty. If Penn State didn't get the death penalty, then there is no way any of these Universities will get the death penalty.

Agree on all counts.
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While we are following the money...I wonder how this plays into the outcome of any investigation into the NCAA--- lol


http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/...22326.html


LAS VEGAS, March 13, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- The NCAA basketball tournament is the largest sports betting event in North America. Nevada sportsbooks have watched the popularity of basketball betting in March explode in recent years, growing from $324.3 million in in basketball bets in March 2013 to a record $422.2 million in March 2016.

With the NCAA selection committee setting the field of 68 teams this Sunday and the tournament's play-in games tipping off Tuesday, sportsbook operators in Las Vegas and across Nevada are optimistic that March 2017 will once again reach new heights in terms of basketball betting action.

Data analysts at Covers, the industry's foremost experts on sports betting information, expect March's basketball betting handle to grow by 15 percent in 2017, shattering the previous high with a projected handle of $485.5 million wagered on hoops statewide for the month.
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(09-26-2017 11:50 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 11:26 AM)ddramone Wrote:  As if we didn't know this already. I predict that some heads will roll at some Universities, but that's about it. Think about Reggie Bush at USC or the booster at Michigan. Heck, look at Penn State - they are #4 in the country right now in FB and I cannot imagine a worse scandal.

There are two things underlying all of this:

1. College BB is rapidly becoming irrelevant. Sorry, but every year that goes by when there are more and more 'one-and-dones' just confirms what everyone knows: the game lacks any compelling players who stay more than one year....and for the really good players, college BB is a place to make sure you showcase your potential and....not get hurt.

2. I don't think it's a coincidence that this involves Adidas which has been really aggressive in trying to grow its U.S. market share.

Nobody is getting the death penalty. If Penn State didn't get the death penalty, then there is no way any of these Universities will get the death penalty.

Agree on all counts.

Agree, but none of what he said is anything new. Feels more like a soapbox rant. Tell me something I don't know.

And Under Armour has been the most aggressive company for the last 5 years.
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(09-26-2017 11:28 AM)ddramone Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 11:18 AM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 10:47 AM)Tigx Wrote:  Pete Thamel‏ Verified account @PeteThamel 3m3 minutes ago

Former NCAA official told me today this could end up as the biggest college sports story of our lifetime. "It's also the least surprising."

Yep. Much more to come on this. Athletic programs may crumble in response to this. NCAA basketball may not be the same after this.

We've all known this for a while. Shoe companies and AAU have destroyed college basketball.

Really? Shoe companies and the AAU? Destroying college BB?

The second Kevin Garnett went from HS directly to the pros as the #1 pick, was the day college BB slowly, but surely lost its relevance. Billy Packer predicted it at least 20 years ago and Billy knew full well what went on with the Nike, Adidas and the AAU.

KG went number 5 overall. I would argue that the 1-and-done rule has hurt college basketball as much, if not more than the players that went straight to the NBA out of high school. But, I think what hurt college basketball (in part) at the point in history around KG's draft was that the NBA expanded. That seems to be about the time you saw more high-schoolers and 1-and-done's entering the draft, and a watering down of NBA play for a number of years.
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One of our own retweeted by Coach Joe:

Joe Esposito Retweeted
Tony Graves‏ @tgraves509 10m10 minutes ago

This is a nose thumb to the "Just Win Baby" crowd. Thank the Lord we have Coach Tubby Smith! Doing it the right way! @Coach_JEsposito
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(09-26-2017 09:25 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Auburn? Didn't some of you folks want their coach here rather than Tubby?
Same ones that wanted Hugh Freeze. Lol
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(09-26-2017 11:26 AM)ddramone Wrote:  As if we didn't know this already. I predict that some heads will roll at some Universities, but that's about it. Think about Reggie Bush at USC or the booster at Michigan. Heck, look at Penn State - they are #4 in the country right now in FB and I cannot imagine a worse scandal.

There are two things underlying all of this:

1. College BB is rapidly becoming irrelevant. Sorry, but every year that goes by when there are more and more 'one-and-dones' just confirms what everyone knows: the game lacks any compelling players who stay more than one year....and for the really good players, college BB is a place to make sure you showcase your potential and....not get hurt.

2. I don't think it's a coincidence that this involves Adidas which has been really aggressive in trying to grow its U.S. market share.

So, you have a aggressive 'buyer' and a desperate 'seller'. Great environment for which payola needs to flourish.

Nobody is getting the death penalty. If Penn State didn't get the death penalty, then there is no way any of these Universities will get the death penalty.

Good points and I add Alabama to the list. Fundamental change will not occur until the death penalty (for five years) is leveled against a high profile offender. There is too much money involved, however, so action is improbable.
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(09-26-2017 11:55 AM)Tigx Wrote:  One of our own retweeted by Coach Joe:

Joe Esposito Retweeted
Tony Graves‏ @tgraves509 10m10 minutes ago

This is a nose thumb to the "Just Win Baby" crowd. Thank the Lord we have Coach Tubby Smith! Doing it the right way! @Coach_JEsposito

Shrug, I would trade our last 8 years for Louisville's last 8 years, even if an AC had to do some jail time over it...

And I would bet there isn't a single Louisville fan that would trade their last 8 years for our last 8 years.

We would also be in the ACC right now making the big bucks.
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(09-26-2017 11:41 AM)ddramone Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 11:18 AM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  
(09-26-2017 10:47 AM)Tigx Wrote:  Pete Thamel‏ Verified account @PeteThamel 3m3 minutes ago

Former NCAA official told me today this could end up as the biggest college sports story of our lifetime. "It's also the least surprising."

Yep. Much more to come on this. Athletic programs may crumble in response to this. NCAA basketball may not be the same after this.

We've all known this for a while. Shoe companies and AAU have destroyed college basketball.

Sonny Vaccaro's ABCD 'camp' started in 1984. I don't think the shoe companies destroyed college BB, the one-and-dones killed college BB.

Let's put it this way: if you took away the shoe companies and you took away the AAU, would college BB's 'image' and popularity somehow grow?

When Patrick Ewing played against (H)Akeem Olajuwon both players had been around at least 2 years and were 21 years old. Now, if we are lucky we get to see freshmen go head-to-head when their skill set is much less developed (especially for big men).

In 1984, there were 23 basketball teams in the NBA with only 11 roster spots or 253 'NBA jobs'.

In 2017, there are 30 basketball teams in the NBA with 15 roster spots...or 450 'NBA jobs'. The # of NBA jobs has exploded, so has the # of good jobs in Europe and China that didn't really exist in 1984 AND there is the rookie salary cap...which really makes good players want to leave college early. When Glen Robinson hit it big in the NBA draft, the NBA installed a rookie salary cap AND the # of jobs has exploded.

Point is, college BB's primary drawing cards were (a) effort and (b) talented, returning players. Both draws were ruined by the NBA and the # of good paying jobs overseas.

In 1984, Sonny Vacarro was still around pimping players out. In 1984, you could make the argument that college BB was at its highest point relative to other sports.

To me, it's apples and oranges. Yes, the NBA, players jumping straight to the NBA, and (eventually) the one-and-done had an effect on the talent within the NCAA game. It has impacted the talent and viewership, as a whole. But, March Madness is still March Madness, and the world still stops to watch those game in mid-March. Memphis hoops seemed to do okay while knowing that Derrick Rose and Tyreke Evans would only be one-year rentals. Duke and UK are still on the front page of Yahoo and ESPN.com.

The impact of AAU and shoe companies has more to do with corruption of the sport (and the impact that it has on fans' interest). Shoe companies are more to blame than AAU. AAU is simply an outlet that shoe companies use for implementing their plan. If this explodes like some think it will, it could have an incredible impact on many top programs and the NCAA.
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(09-26-2017 11:55 AM)Tigx Wrote:  One of our own retweeted by Coach Joe:

Joe Esposito Retweeted
Tony Graves‏ @tgraves509 10m10 minutes ago

This is a nose thumb to the "Just Win Baby" crowd. Thank the Lord we have Coach Tubby Smith! Doing it the right way! @Coach_JEsposito

Tubby is not off the hook. It is possible to recruit 4 and occasional 5 star players at Memphis without cheating.
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