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Pitino expects to be fired today. About time...
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09-27-2017 09:30 AM
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(09-26-2017 04:16 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  This just might bring an end to D1 basketball being the de-facto farm system for the NBA.

This isn't stopping with basketball. Expect it to bleed over into football, too, as these financial adviser groups also pursued athletes in other sports.

Basketball may be more corrupt, starting earlier, through the AAU circuits, sneaker company involvement, etc. But remember $100k for Albert Means? It's definitely coming as people start singing.

Also note that the NBA had already been talking with the NBAPA about possibly ending the 1-year minimum. I expect that to come to pass within a few years.
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Pitino and Louisville AD Tom Jurich both gone
09-27-2017 10:37 AM
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(09-27-2017 10:37 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Pitino and Louisville AD Tom Jurich both gone

Jurich refused to fire Pitino so both were fired.
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(09-27-2017 10:44 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  
(09-27-2017 10:37 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Pitino and Louisville AD Tom Jurich both gone

Jurich refused to fire Pitino so both were fired.

Wow, I did not notice that detail. What a clown.
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(09-27-2017 10:44 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  
(09-27-2017 10:37 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Pitino and Louisville AD Tom Jurich both gone

Jurich refused to fire Pitino so both were fired.

Did the article say that?
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I'm betting the next phase at Louisville will be a lot of weeping and wailing and statements that nobody at the University had any idea what was going on. That it was an isolated thing from a few bad actors That the players shouldn't be punished for the sins of the coaches. And that they should be allowed to hire a new coach with a "clean slate" and proceed with business as usual.
If ever there was a case since SMU for the Death Penalty this is it.

And maybe after the FBI starts interviewing the Louisville basketball bunch someone in the football program will sing.
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(09-27-2017 11:25 AM)greyowl72 Wrote:  I'm betting the next phase at Louisville will be a lot of weeping and wailing and statements that nobody at the University had any idea what was going on. That it was an isolated thing from a few bad actors That the players shouldn't be punished for the sins of the coaches. And that they should be allowed to hire a new coach with a "clean slate" and proceed with business as usual.
If ever there was a case since SMU for the Death Penalty this is it.

And maybe after the FBI starts interviewing the Louisville basketball bunch someone in the football program will sing.

That's what's already happening. The Louisville administration is in the ludicrous position of arguing that it had no knowledge of what was happening but there was no loss of institutional control.
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This is worst then what happen at SMU. They should all get the death penalty but I know it would never happen. I wonder if this is the major reason of all the basketball transfers. I hope VMU is clean.
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(09-27-2017 12:15 PM)OldOwl Wrote:  This is worst then what happen at SMU. They should all get the death penalty but I know it would never happen. I wonder if this is the major reason of all the basketball transfers. I hope VMU is clean.

Pitino destroys every program he's associated with. He almost makes Dave Bliss look like a Boy Scout.

I wouldn't be surprised if he has an "Insurance Policy" of damning information on the University that he threatens to release at Trial.
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(09-27-2017 12:40 PM)WoodlandsOwl Wrote:  
(09-27-2017 12:15 PM)OldOwl Wrote:  This is worst then what happen at SMU. They should all get the death penalty but I know it would never happen. I wonder if this is the major reason of all the basketball transfers. I hope VMU is clean.

Pitino destroys every program he's associated with. He almost makes Dave Bliss look like a Boy Scout.

I wouldn't be surprised if he has an "Insurance Policy" of damning information on the University that he threatens to release at Trial.

You make a good point. But it seems that approach might be a dangerous game to play. Especially with the FBI breathing down your neck
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Does anyone know if the Promo Code for 50% off your Pappa John pizza order today is PITiNO or FBI?
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SMU was doing in football in the 1980s what almost everyone else was doing. David Stanley told me that Tech was offering him twice what SMU did but he choose SMU because he thought he had a better chance of winning.

(09-27-2017 12:15 PM)OldOwl Wrote:  This is worst then what happen at SMU. They should all get the death penalty but I know it would never happen. I wonder if this is the major reason of all the basketball transfers. I hope VMU is clean.
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(09-27-2017 12:52 PM)greyowl72 Wrote:  
(09-27-2017 12:40 PM)WoodlandsOwl Wrote:  
(09-27-2017 12:15 PM)OldOwl Wrote:  This is worst then what happen at SMU. They should all get the death penalty but I know it would never happen. I wonder if this is the major reason of all the basketball transfers. I hope VMU is clean.

Pitino destroys every program he's associated with. He almost makes Dave Bliss look like a Boy Scout.

I wouldn't be surprised if he has an "Insurance Policy" of damning information on the University that he threatens to release at Trial.

You make a good point. But it seems that approach might be a dangerous game to play. Especially with the FBI breathing down your neck

AD Jurich hesitated to suspend Pitino which makes him suspect to some degree.

Rick doesn't have anything to lose.
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I hope heads at multiple schools roll- I have a feeling this involves many more programs than we think.

Also, the families/recruits are not innocent either. Some took bribes.

All in all, this is a disgrace.
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(09-27-2017 01:22 PM)75src Wrote:  SMU was doing in football in the 1980s what almost everyone else was doing. David Stanley told me that Tech was offering him twice what SMU did but he choose SMU because he thought he had a better chance of winning.

(09-27-2017 12:15 PM)OldOwl Wrote:  This is worst then what happen at SMU. They should all get the death penalty but I know it would never happen. I wonder if this is the major reason of all the basketball transfers. I hope VMU is clean.

SMU was also caught and punished several times over a few years. The death penalty is technically the "Repeat Offender Penalty." If Louisville gets caught paying players in 2019 and again in 2021, then we'll see a case for the death penalty. Right now, worst I imagine happening to them is a few years post-season/championship ban and reduction of scholarships while on probation (which renders the championship ban moot), maybe a five-ish year ban from coaching in the NCAA for the relevant parties. Outside odds on a few players actually being disqualified, but they can likely go pro by the time the hammer comes down. While this is a massive black mark on the relevant programs today, it's not going to be a long-term problem for them. I doubt this actually has a meaningful impact on which programs will be good ten years from now.
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(09-27-2017 08:41 PM)franklyconfused Wrote:  
(09-27-2017 01:22 PM)75src Wrote:  SMU was doing in football in the 1980s what almost everyone else was doing. David Stanley told me that Tech was offering him twice what SMU did but he choose SMU because he thought he had a better chance of winning.

(09-27-2017 12:15 PM)OldOwl Wrote:  This is worst then what happen at SMU. They should all get the death penalty but I know it would never happen. I wonder if this is the major reason of all the basketball transfers. I hope VMU is clean.

SMU was also caught and punished several times over a few years. The death penalty is technically the "Repeat Offender Penalty." If Louisville gets caught paying players in 2019 and again in 2021, then we'll see a case for the death penalty. Right now, worst I imagine happening to them is a few years post-season/championship ban and reduction of scholarships while on probation (which renders the championship ban moot), maybe a five-ish year ban from coaching in the NCAA for the relevant parties. Outside odds on a few players actually being disqualified, but they can likely go pro by the time the hammer comes down. While this is a massive black mark on the relevant programs today, it's not going to be a long-term problem for them. I doubt this actually has a meaningful impact on which programs will be good ten years from now.

Well, there was that whole hooker thing..
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Here's the first thread that indicates college football will probably get caught up. Not sure if it's being followed up on, but you can be certain there will be other stories like that coming in to the investigators. (Blazer is the cooperating witness - a former financial advisor who targeted getting clients like professional athletes.)

Quote:In 2015, Blazer was also linked to an investigation of improper cash payments to University of North Carolina football players. A grand jury indicted former Tar Heels player Christopher Hawkins for violating the state's sports agent law by giving money to a UNC player and illegally contacting another about signing a contract. During the investigation, former UNC linebacker Robert Quinn told state investigators that Hawkins gave Quinn money to steer him to Blazer and agent Peter Schaffer, according to court documents. Kendric Burney, the other former UNC player, told investigators that Hawkins arranged and attended Burney's meetings with Blazer and Schaffer.
source: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...corruption (The step-by-step process of how the words "corruption" and "fraud" came to college basketball)

Read the story. There's nothing really surprising about how these conversations went down, but it's still a crazy read.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/solution-colleg...08228.html

Interesting perspective here - the real question is should there be a market for these elite players that's out in the open, and possibly bypassing the colleges altogether?
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(09-28-2017 01:28 PM)wiessguy Wrote:  https://sports.yahoo.com/solution-colleg...08228.html

Interesting perspective here - the real question is should there be a market for these elite players that's out in the open, and possibly bypassing the colleges altogether?

That's one solution but the NCAA is resistant to this because then the best players will go pro directly, like in baseball.
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