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RE: Goodbye, Coach-2
(10-02-2017 01:27 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  There are 2 possible outcomes.

1. Pitino knew what was going on. Even if he didn't actively participate he is guilty.
2. Pitino didn't know what was going on. As head of the MBB he is responsible. It is possible to have rogue employees/coaches. When you are at the top, you are responsible. The captain was not on the bridge when the Fitzgerald collided with the freighter off Japan. He is still responsible.

I'm not surprised the FBI hasn't named the big fish yet. It seems like a common tactic to arrest the little guys and see how the big guys respond.

I can't imagine the FBI not recording audio and possibly video evidence. It's way too early for them to release that stuff.

With respect to Pitino's conversations with Gatto, it is my understanding that the FBI obtained phone records of Gatto. They were aware only from those records, not from a wiretap, that he spoke with Pitino, who confirms the conversations took place.
10-02-2017 01:42 PM
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(10-02-2017 12:29 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(10-02-2017 11:06 AM)Dasville Wrote:  
(10-02-2017 10:06 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(10-01-2017 08:19 PM)Dasville Wrote:  CRP may or may not be Coach #2 however, he was talking about Terry Rozier's sponsorship to the Gatto guy:


http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...ng-scandal

Unless you were in the room, I don't think you or anyone else can say what was discussed during those three conversations. AFAIK, they were not recorded. So, all we have is what Pitino claims. If the FBI had hard evidence against Pitino, you can be sure he would have been indicted along with the four assistants.

Pitino is no dope. If he was involved, you can be sure he took pains to make sure he could maintain plausible deniability. And, while the public at large is free to connect the dots between those conversations and the commitment of a player he hadn't been recruiting, the university has a much higher bar to clear to avoid paying Pitino at least a big chunk of the money that would be due to him under his contract.

Until the RICO statute was passed, Mafia dons could escape jail by always being sure their fingerprints weren't at the scene of any crimes committed at their behest. Unless one of their lieutenants turned state's evidence and testified against them, they couldn't be touched. The question here is whether the FBI can get anybody to flip against bigger fish than we have seen so far.

I'll play. IF Pitino thought there was a possibility of getting caught and made sure he covered his azz WHY would he not make sure his assistants were also covered? I mean, we are talking millions upon millions of dollars. Oh! You are saying everyone is dirty (except UK, Duke, UNC and all Nike schools). Gotcha!

"I'll play"? What does that even mean? Do you think I am "playing" something? You made a statement that you have no possible way of knowing is true.

I have no idea where you come up with "Oh! You are saying everyone is dirty (except UK, Duke, UNC and all Nike schools). Gotcha!" I clearly never said or remotely implied any of that. Sounds to me like you have an agenda here.

Kend you obviously are much more impartial than I am and have much more access than I do as you called all this before 99% of fans knew. I do have an agenda and it's crystal clear by my posts on multiple boards. I seek and fight the narrative. No matter which side you chear/t for, a narrative is created.
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RE: Goodbye, Coach-2
(10-02-2017 01:57 PM)Dasville Wrote:  
(10-02-2017 12:29 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(10-02-2017 11:06 AM)Dasville Wrote:  
(10-02-2017 10:06 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(10-01-2017 08:19 PM)Dasville Wrote:  CRP may or may not be Coach #2 however, he was talking about Terry Rozier's sponsorship to the Gatto guy:


http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...ng-scandal

Unless you were in the room, I don't think you or anyone else can say what was discussed during those three conversations. AFAIK, they were not recorded. So, all we have is what Pitino claims. If the FBI had hard evidence against Pitino, you can be sure he would have been indicted along with the four assistants.

Pitino is no dope. If he was involved, you can be sure he took pains to make sure he could maintain plausible deniability. And, while the public at large is free to connect the dots between those conversations and the commitment of a player he hadn't been recruiting, the university has a much higher bar to clear to avoid paying Pitino at least a big chunk of the money that would be due to him under his contract.

Until the RICO statute was passed, Mafia dons could escape jail by always being sure their fingerprints weren't at the scene of any crimes committed at their behest. Unless one of their lieutenants turned state's evidence and testified against them, they couldn't be touched. The question here is whether the FBI can get anybody to flip against bigger fish than we have seen so far.

I'll play. IF Pitino thought there was a possibility of getting caught and made sure he covered his azz WHY would he not make sure his assistants were also covered? I mean, we are talking millions upon millions of dollars. Oh! You are saying everyone is dirty (except UK, Duke, UNC and all Nike schools). Gotcha!

"I'll play"? What does that even mean? Do you think I am "playing" something? You made a statement that you have no possible way of knowing is true.

I have no idea where you come up with "Oh! You are saying everyone is dirty (except UK, Duke, UNC and all Nike schools). Gotcha!" I clearly never said or remotely implied any of that. Sounds to me like you have an agenda here.

Kend you obviously are much more impartial than I am and have much more access than I do as you called all this before 99% of fans knew. I do have an agenda and it's crystal clear by my posts on multiple boards. I seek and fight the narrative. No matter which side you chear/t for, a narrative is created.

I really don't have a dog in this fight, and I have no access to inside info of any kind. I have expressed skepticism that this could just be about Adidas. I have also made clear that I think the entire AAU system of shoe company sponsored traveling leagues is a cesspool that is hurting college basketball in countless ways.

I don't know if "everyone is dirty". But I have wondered out loud how all those one and dones at UK and Duke must feel knowing their AAU teammates are getting paid, but they (and their families) aren't (sarcasm intended). I'm afraid for college basketball that we may have only seen the tip of this iceberg.
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