But if some want TJ back ....want that negative national press as a win at all cost school...be my guest....

(10-03-2017 09:54 PM)Maize Wrote:  But if some want TJ back ....want that negative national press as a win at all cost school...be my guest....

There is more than land that separates UofL from Arizona. Here is another way of handling things:


http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...-fbi-probe


"Opportunity comes once in a life time"

(10-04-2017 08:14 AM)Dasville Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 09:54 PM)Maize Wrote:  But if some want TJ back ....want that negative national press as a win at all cost school...be my guest....

There is more than land that separates UofL from Arizona. Here is another way of handling things:


http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...-fbi-probe


"Opportunity comes once in a life time"

Oh I understand that...but really whether fair or not we are seen as a renegade athletic program...got to fix that image

(10-02-2017 12:30 PM)Dasville Wrote:  For those that think politics was not intimately involved in the rise of the University of Louisville and the attempted demise of the University of Louisville they can not be more mistaken. The shear fact that Mitch loves UofL and the Beshears hate UofL and Bevin wants to drain the swamp can not be lost on appointments of BOT and the activity of the FBI.

It's all there.

Who are the players here? Mitch, Beshears, Bevin....

Can somebody give me the cliffsnotes regarding wtf has been going on politically there the past several years?

(10-03-2017 09:50 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 09:07 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 04:43 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Honestly, it is absolutely mind-boggling that anyone is even having a discussion about keeping Jurich. Postel's letter is spot on in regards to how things should be approached. The optics on Louisville were very bad before, now, you are in SMU territory, or worse, with the stigma that is attaching to your institution. Frankly, it is unfathomable that he would be retained.

Right now, the outside perception of your school, overall as an institution, is tainted and just about as poor as it can get. Fair or not to have been singled out with the FBI probe story, it doesn't matter, and it matters not one whit what UK is doing or has done. I know you may not like reading that, but you need to step back an think about the overall institution and the role it plays in your community, and the corruption that appears to have been systemic. This goes beyond basketball and even athletics.

The university needs to clean house from top to bottom.

The corruption was with the illegal board and Beshear. Let's see, Postel has been at the University for 23 years. Sounds like he may have been part of the problem. There is only 1 sports program that is giving us trouble and the coach and his assistants should be and have been relieved of duties. Our accreditation is in no danger much to the disappointment of Andy Beshear. Our BOT is now legal (not that I agree with all of them). Tom Jurich's only fault is that he fights a little too hard for his coaches and isn't afraid to jump in the fox hole with them. What a horrible trait (unless your a coach). I give two craps what others think of us. We've been disrespected, discounted and taken advantage of as an University almost our entire existence and despite that have steadfastly risen in the ranks academically and athletically.

Jurich is only an asset. He is, in no way a liability.

That's my 2 cents and I am blessed to have a child that is a student there so we have skin in the game.

According to the SACS the current Governor-(Matt Bevins) was also at fault...also, TJ is ultimately responsible...it is his department that one of the revenue sports is now eligible for the Death Penalty...

Both sides of the Jurich argument raise very good points. This will be a tough decision for the board to make, I will standby either decision. However I believe Tom Jurich would have to agree to more oversight over the AD & that all decisions would have to pass a board vote. If Tom would agree to this then I would be in favor of him returning on a probational basis. With the new oversight & leadership regarding the foundation I don't see anyone manipulating it the way Ramsey & Jurich did. The mishandling of the foundation & the 2 basketball scandals are enough to warrant a dismissal but all of Tom's accomplishments can't be overlooked. I don't envy the ones responsible for making this decision.

I do support the naming of Vince Tyra as acting AD. Should Tom not come back I hope that he will be on the short list of his replacement.


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I'm on the fence about Jurich. In terms of athletic success, I definitely want Tom back. At the same time, I'm tired of my alma mater being viewed so poorly.

My realistic hope is that we start fresh. I wish David Padgett enough success this year to get his own mid-major head coaching gig for the 2018-19 season. I'd like to see a new and successful athletic director hire Chris Mack to be our basketball coach in April.

As far as Petrino goes, he has stayed clean in his 2nd tenure at Louisville (WakeyLeaks aside), but the football program will always be seen as having a black eye as long as he stays. Even though he has been nothing but a great community member since his return, he has that stigma that the general public won't let go.

(10-04-2017 09:10 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 09:50 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 09:07 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 04:43 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Honestly, it is absolutely mind-boggling that anyone is even having a discussion about keeping Jurich. Postel's letter is spot on in regards to how things should be approached. The optics on Louisville were very bad before, now, you are in SMU territory, or worse, with the stigma that is attaching to your institution. Frankly, it is unfathomable that he would be retained.

Right now, the outside perception of your school, overall as an institution, is tainted and just about as poor as it can get. Fair or not to have been singled out with the FBI probe story, it doesn't matter, and it matters not one whit what UK is doing or has done. I know you may not like reading that, but you need to step back an think about the overall institution and the role it plays in your community, and the corruption that appears to have been systemic. This goes beyond basketball and even athletics.

The university needs to clean house from top to bottom.

The corruption was with the illegal board and Beshear. Let's see, Postel has been at the University for 23 years. Sounds like he may have been part of the problem. There is only 1 sports program that is giving us trouble and the coach and his assistants should be and have been relieved of duties. Our accreditation is in no danger much to the disappointment of Andy Beshear. Our BOT is now legal (not that I agree with all of them). Tom Jurich's only fault is that he fights a little too hard for his coaches and isn't afraid to jump in the fox hole with them. What a horrible trait (unless your a coach). I give two craps what others think of us. We've been disrespected, discounted and taken advantage of as an University almost our entire existence and despite that have steadfastly risen in the ranks academically and athletically.

Jurich is only an asset. He is, in no way a liability.

That's my 2 cents and I am blessed to have a child that is a student there so we have skin in the game.

According to the SACS the current Governor-(Matt Bevins) was also at fault...also, TJ is ultimately responsible...it is his department that one of the revenue sports is now eligible for the Death Penalty...

Both sides of the Jurich argument raise very good points. This will be a tough decision for the board to make, I will standby either decision. However I believe Tom Jurich would have to agree to more oversight over the AD & that all decisions would have to pass a board vote. If Tom would agree to this then I would be in favor of him returning on a probational basis. With the new oversight & leadership regarding the foundation I don't see anyone manipulating it the way Ramsey & Jurich did. The mishandling of the foundation & the 2 basketball scandals are enough to warrant a dismissal but all of Tom's accomplishments can't be overlooked. I don't envy the ones responsible for making this decision.

I do support the naming of Vince Tyra as acting AD. Should Tom not come back I hope that he will be on the short list of his replacement.


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Agreed with Tyra....very successful business man and appears to be a good clean up man.

(10-04-2017 09:12 AM)MegaCard Wrote:  I'm on the fence about Jurich. In terms of athletic success, I definitely want Tom back. At the same time, I'm tired of my alma mater being viewed so poorly.

My realistic hope is that we start fresh. I wish David Padgett enough success this year to get his own mid-major head coaching gig for the 2018-19 season. I'd like to see a new and successful athletic director hire Chris Mack to be our basketball coach in April.

As far as Petrino goes, he has stayed clean in his 2nd tenure at Louisville (WakeyLeaks aside), but the football program will always be seen as having a black eye as long as he stays. Even though he has been nothing but a great community member since his return, he has that stigma that the general public won't let go.

Yup.


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Nationally, were we ever seen as "clean" athletically? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say no.
Nationally, were/are we ever seen as high caliber? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say no.

We are the best kept secret in the nation for a reason........
There are forces working against us.

Some of y'all sound completely disconnected from reality.

(10-04-2017 11:07 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  Some of y'all sound completely disconnected from reality.

It is long and sordid but let me give you a taste. Mitch McConnell went to UofL and has the McConnell Elain Chao Center. Republican's have decimated the Democrats in Kentucky in elected office. Mitch is the face of the Republican establishment.
Speaking of the face of a party, who did the Democrats roll out to respond to repealing ObamaCare. Former Gov Beshear. He just so happened to sell UofL BoT appointments to the highest contributer to his campaign. Appointment for sale. His son is Kentucky's AG.
Mix in that the current Governor is the face of the Trump team in Ky and that Elain Chao is Sec of Labor under Trump and we all know how much the Democrats and Obama and the FBI hate President Trump and Mitch McConnell and the Republican Party. What you have is the makings of the University of Louisville being a pawn and a method of retribution on many fronts.

Imagine that? Little ol' Louisville.

(10-04-2017 11:29 AM)Dasville Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 11:07 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  Some of y'all sound completely disconnected from reality.

It is long and sordid but let me give you a taste. Mitch McConnell went to UofL and has the McConnell Elain Chao Center. Republican's have decimated the Democrats in Kentucky in elected office. Mitch is the face of the Republican establishment.
Speaking of the face of a party, who did the Democrats roll out to respond to repealing ObamaCare. Former Gov Beshear. He just so happened to sell UofL BoT appointments to the highest contributer to his campaign. Appointment for sale. His son is Kentucky's AG.
Mix in that the current Governor is the face of the Trump team in Ky and that Elain Chao is Sec of Labor under Trump and we all know how much the Democrats and Obama and the FBI hate President Trump and Mitch McConnell and the Republican Party. What you have is the makings of the University of Louisville being a pawn and a method of retribution on many fronts.

Imagine that? Little ol' Louisville.

You have little regard for the professionalism of the FBI. I have more, and I was investigated by them in 1995 as part of a state senator trying to bribe the Indian tribe I represented.

Why do you assume the FBI is full of Republican haters just because they are investigating Trump's possible collusion with Russia?

I don't buy that poor ole' Louisville is the pawn in a Democrat/Republican battle involving the FBI. No sale here at all.

Louisville is a dumpster fire of scandal and needs to be severely sanctioned. It also needs to completely clean house in its athletic department and stop looking for conspiracy theories or try to deflect or place the blame elsewhere.

Louisville's woes are all internal, and all self inflicted, not the result of some Alex Jones crazy, lunatic political conspiracy theory.

(10-04-2017 02:26 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 11:29 AM)Dasville Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 11:07 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  Some of y'all sound completely disconnected from reality.

It is long and sordid but let me give you a taste. Mitch McConnell went to UofL and has the McConnell Elain Chao Center. Republican's have decimated the Democrats in Kentucky in elected office. Mitch is the face of the Republican establishment.
Speaking of the face of a party, who did the Democrats roll out to respond to repealing ObamaCare. Former Gov Beshear. He just so happened to sell UofL BoT appointments to the highest contributer to his campaign. Appointment for sale. His son is Kentucky's AG.
Mix in that the current Governor is the face of the Trump team in Ky and that Elain Chao is Sec of Labor under Trump and we all know how much the Democrats and Obama and the FBI hate President Trump and Mitch McConnell and the Republican Party. What you have is the makings of the University of Louisville being a pawn and a method of retribution on many fronts.

Imagine that? Little ol' Louisville.

You have little regard for the professionalism of the FBI. I have more, and I was investigated by them in 1995 as part of a state senator trying to bribe the Indian tribe I represented.

Why do you assume the FBI is full of Republican haters just because they are investigating Trump's possible collusion with Russia?

I don't buy that poor ole' Louisville is the pawn in a Democrat/Republican battle involving the FBI. No sale here at all.

Louisville is a dumpster fire of scandal and needs to be severely sanctioned. It also needs to completely clean house in its athletic department and stop looking for conspiracy theories or try to deflect or place the blame elsewhere.

Louisville's woes are all internal, and all self inflicted, not the result of some Alex Jones crazy, lunatic political conspiracy theory.

More Jim Jones than Alex Jones. Governor of Kentucky had us drink the koolaid. Vampires. We are the fatted pig. TerryD, who besides Tom Jurich do you know in our Athletic Department? You, like your school need to stay independent.

TerryD, implicit in your condemnation is all of UofL Athletic Department including compliance. I'll take back my blanket statement regarding the FBI if you limit your criticism of our Athletic Department. I'm riding with a chip on my shoulder admittedly.

I just think that such theories are going nowhere, fast.

Louisville would do better to clean house, admit wrongdoing, and work through the sanctions.

I bear Louisville or its fans no ill will, at all. I think that such theories will do Louisville more harm than good.

Good luck going forward.

(10-04-2017 02:59 PM)TerryD Wrote:  I just think that such theories are going nowhere, fast.

Louisville would do better to clean house, admit wrongdoing, and work through the sanctions.

I bear Louisville or its fans no ill will, at all. I think that such theories will do Louisville more harm than good.

Good luck going forward.

(10-04-2017 10:20 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Nationally, were we ever seen as "clean" athletically? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say no.
Nationally, were/are we ever seen as high caliber? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say no.

We are the best kept secret in the nation for a reason........
There are forces working against us.

No. Inside the world of college basketball, UL had the reputation of a dirty program from at least the days of Denny Crum. It's a reason you were never admitted into the Big East...and I'm talking about an early 90s time period when Crum was lobbying hard for UL to get in. If you never heard about that, it is because you weren't privy to the inside discussions of hoops at the time, which yes, I had some access to it back then. I'm only telling you what was on the lips of coaches that were actually in the Big East well before UL was ever an actual member, but rest assured, the small fraternity of the college coaching community means it was almost certainly a widely held reputation.

(10-04-2017 06:30 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 10:20 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Nationally, were we ever seen as "clean" athletically? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say no.
Nationally, were/are we ever seen as high caliber? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say no.

We are the best kept secret in the nation for a reason........
There are forces working against us.

No. Inside the world of college basketball, UL had the reputation of a dirty program from at least the days of Denny Crum. It's a reason you were never admitted into the Big East...and I'm talking about an early 90s time period when Crum was lobbying hard for UL to get in. If you never heard about that, it is because you weren't privy to the inside discussions of hoops at the time, which yes, I had some access to it back then. I'm only telling you what was on the lips of coaches that were actually in the Big East well before UL was ever an actual member, but rest assured, the small fraternity of the college coaching community means it was almost certainly a widely held reputation.

Yeah....I still remember the 60 Minutes piece on Denny Crum...that another reason I want a complete makeover of the athletic program.

(10-04-2017 02:59 PM)TerryD Wrote:  I just think that such theories are going nowhere, fast.

Louisville would do better to clean house, admit wrongdoing, and work through the sanctions.

I bear Louisville or its fans no ill will, at all. I think that such theories will do Louisville more harm than good.

Good luck going forward.

Very good post Terry and thank you for the well wishes going forward

(10-04-2017 07:28 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 06:30 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 10:20 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Nationally, were we ever seen as "clean" athletically? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say no.
Nationally, were/are we ever seen as high caliber? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say no.

We are the best kept secret in the nation for a reason........
There are forces working against us.

No. Inside the world of college basketball, UL had the reputation of a dirty program from at least the days of Denny Crum. It's a reason you were never admitted into the Big East...and I'm talking about an early 90s time period when Crum was lobbying hard for UL to get in. If you never heard about that, it is because you weren't privy to the inside discussions of hoops at the time, which yes, I had some access to it back then. I'm only telling you what was on the lips of coaches that were actually in the Big East well before UL was ever an actual member, but rest assured, the small fraternity of the college coaching community means it was almost certainly a widely held reputation.

Yeah....I still remember the 60 Minutes piece on Denny Crum...that another reason I want a complete makeover of the athletic program.

Maize, I certainly understand and respect your opinion and CP's post proves my point. You want something we haven't had since before the 1970's.
Take this very situation as an example. No where are we publicly named by the FBI. Not any of our coaches are publicly named by the FBI and not one AD has been referenced by the FBI. In fact, the FBI has gone out of their way to say the schools were defrauded. All this yet UofL is the face of this scandal and we are out a coach (understandably) and an AD (not so understandably). Now why is that?

Doesn't matter what we do. Imo, which every single one of my posts are, TJ is the best in the business and should be retained. I believe his reputation among his peers speaks for itself and I am speaking of the NCAA as well as other ADs across the nation.