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RE: Open Thread - 2017 Football Season - Week 6
(10-06-2017 01:31 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 07:25 AM)Dasville Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 04:48 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(10-05-2017 11:09 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  Sirmon was a awful hire from the beginning

Petrino doesn't help with his playcalling...dude is in love with the "Big Play"...Petrino 1.0 > Petrino 2.0...good game Wolfpack...congrats on a well earned win....04-cheers

To your point, UofL has about the same talent overall than every other team in the conference except Clemson, FSU and Miami. That being the case, the difference can only be coaching. Now, Coach Petrino has coached Lamar into being a Heisman Trophy winner at the QB spot which is a hell of a job. Arguably, Lamar could win the Heisman at multiple positions.
An argument could be made by reasonable people that, exactly like former Head Coach Charlie Strong, Petrino is a brilliant coordinator and teacher of QBs but not so much as a Head Coach.
If true, no harm in that. Just an observation.

Maybe on paper. From what I've sen this year a lack of physical talent is IMO the biggest problem you have as anything, and I have seen all or part of the Purdue, UNC, Clemson and now NC State games. I don't care who your defensive coordinator is when your defensive backs are physically unable to keep up with a WR making a double move there is absolutely nothing he can do.

And while your first team DL may be decent Clemson showed, and NC State to a lesser extent, that there is a huge drop off once you get to the second string and if you are disciplined enough to keep running the ball eventually you'll wear the Card defense down and you can start gashing them.


I know the popular thing is to blame Sirmon but this season was set in motion several recruiting cycles ago. You simply did not have the talent there to replace the attrition you had from last year's defense.

So you are saying UofL's D line is comparable to the rest of the ACC minus Clemson, FSU and Miami but the secondary personnel are at the bottom of the ACC? Regardless of Defensive scheme?
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RE: Open Thread - 2017 Football Season - Week 6
(10-06-2017 02:14 PM)Dasville Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 01:31 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 07:25 AM)Dasville Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 04:48 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(10-05-2017 11:09 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  Sirmon was a awful hire from the beginning

Petrino doesn't help with his playcalling...dude is in love with the "Big Play"...Petrino 1.0 > Petrino 2.0...good game Wolfpack...congrats on a well earned win....04-cheers

To your point, UofL has about the same talent overall than every other team in the conference except Clemson, FSU and Miami. That being the case, the difference can only be coaching. Now, Coach Petrino has coached Lamar into being a Heisman Trophy winner at the QB spot which is a hell of a job. Arguably, Lamar could win the Heisman at multiple positions.
An argument could be made by reasonable people that, exactly like former Head Coach Charlie Strong, Petrino is a brilliant coordinator and teacher of QBs but not so much as a Head Coach.
If true, no harm in that. Just an observation.

Maybe on paper. From what I've sen this year a lack of physical talent is IMO the biggest problem you have as anything, and I have seen all or part of the Purdue, UNC, Clemson and now NC State games. I don't care who your defensive coordinator is when your defensive backs are physically unable to keep up with a WR making a double move there is absolutely nothing he can do.

And while your first team DL may be decent Clemson showed, and NC State to a lesser extent, that there is a huge drop off once you get to the second string and if you are disciplined enough to keep running the ball eventually you'll wear the Card defense down and you can start gashing them.


I know the popular thing is to blame Sirmon but this season was set in motion several recruiting cycles ago. You simply did not have the talent there to replace the attrition you had from last year's defense.

So you are saying UofL's D line is comparable to the rest of the ACC minus Clemson, FSU and Miami but the secondary personnel are at the bottom of the ACC? Regardless of Defensive scheme?
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Ok

Not at all what I am saying

At this point from what I have seen I would put the UL DL behind GT, NC State, Wake and BC as well.

And yes, your secondary is near the bottom of the ACC IMO. Alexander being healthy might help some, but he's only one part of a unit that hasn't been very good at all.
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RE: Open Thread - 2017 Football Season - Week 6
(10-06-2017 03:19 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 02:14 PM)Dasville Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 01:31 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 07:25 AM)Dasville Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 04:48 AM)Maize Wrote:  Petrino doesn't help with his playcalling...dude is in love with the "Big Play"...Petrino 1.0 > Petrino 2.0...good game Wolfpack...congrats on a well earned win....04-cheers

To your point, UofL has about the same talent overall than every other team in the conference except Clemson, FSU and Miami. That being the case, the difference can only be coaching. Now, Coach Petrino has coached Lamar into being a Heisman Trophy winner at the QB spot which is a hell of a job. Arguably, Lamar could win the Heisman at multiple positions.
An argument could be made by reasonable people that, exactly like former Head Coach Charlie Strong, Petrino is a brilliant coordinator and teacher of QBs but not so much as a Head Coach.
If true, no harm in that. Just an observation.

Maybe on paper. From what I've sen this year a lack of physical talent is IMO the biggest problem you have as anything, and I have seen all or part of the Purdue, UNC, Clemson and now NC State games. I don't care who your defensive coordinator is when your defensive backs are physically unable to keep up with a WR making a double move there is absolutely nothing he can do.

And while your first team DL may be decent Clemson showed, and NC State to a lesser extent, that there is a huge drop off once you get to the second string and if you are disciplined enough to keep running the ball eventually you'll wear the Card defense down and you can start gashing them.


I know the popular thing is to blame Sirmon but this season was set in motion several recruiting cycles ago. You simply did not have the talent there to replace the attrition you had from last year's defense.

So you are saying UofL's D line is comparable to the rest of the ACC minus Clemson, FSU and Miami but the secondary personnel are at the bottom of the ACC? Regardless of Defensive scheme?
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.
.
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Ok

Not at all what I am saying

At this point from what I have seen I would put the UL DL behind GT, NC State, Wake and BC as well.

And yes, your secondary is near the bottom of the ACC IMO. Alexander being healthy might help some, but he's only one part of a unit that hasn't been very good at all.

How many years have we been P5? That is what I am referring to. We used to represent the BEST of the G5 and now we are the last into the P5.
It truly is a whole new world. UofL is literally 4 years old at being "big time" in modern SemiProfesional sports.

A historic rise that will be documented in the history of sports!
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RE: Open Thread - 2017 Football Season - Week 6
(10-06-2017 03:44 PM)Dasville Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 03:19 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 02:14 PM)Dasville Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 01:31 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 07:25 AM)Dasville Wrote:  To your point, UofL has about the same talent overall than every other team in the conference except Clemson, FSU and Miami. That being the case, the difference can only be coaching. Now, Coach Petrino has coached Lamar into being a Heisman Trophy winner at the QB spot which is a hell of a job. Arguably, Lamar could win the Heisman at multiple positions.
An argument could be made by reasonable people that, exactly like former Head Coach Charlie Strong, Petrino is a brilliant coordinator and teacher of QBs but not so much as a Head Coach.
If true, no harm in that. Just an observation.

Maybe on paper. From what I've sen this year a lack of physical talent is IMO the biggest problem you have as anything, and I have seen all or part of the Purdue, UNC, Clemson and now NC State games. I don't care who your defensive coordinator is when your defensive backs are physically unable to keep up with a WR making a double move there is absolutely nothing he can do.

And while your first team DL may be decent Clemson showed, and NC State to a lesser extent, that there is a huge drop off once you get to the second string and if you are disciplined enough to keep running the ball eventually you'll wear the Card defense down and you can start gashing them.


I know the popular thing is to blame Sirmon but this season was set in motion several recruiting cycles ago. You simply did not have the talent there to replace the attrition you had from last year's defense.

So you are saying UofL's D line is comparable to the rest of the ACC minus Clemson, FSU and Miami but the secondary personnel are at the bottom of the ACC? Regardless of Defensive scheme?
.
.
.
.
.
Ok

Not at all what I am saying

At this point from what I have seen I would put the UL DL behind GT, NC State, Wake and BC as well.

And yes, your secondary is near the bottom of the ACC IMO. Alexander being healthy might help some, but he's only one part of a unit that hasn't been very good at all.

How many years have we been P5? That is what I am referring to. We used to represent the BEST of the G5 and now we are the last into the P5.
It truly is a whole new world. UofL is literally 4 years old at being "big time" in modern SemiProfesional sports.

A historic rise that will be documented in the history of sports!

Don't give me that BS. You were never a G5 school. You've been a P5 school as long as everybody else in the ACC because the P5 label started with the playoffs. You've been recruiting at the BCS autobid/P5 level since 2005. Your only year in the AAC they were still a BCS autobid conference and any limitations your conference status would have had at that point would have been overridden by the knowledge that you were moving to the ACC the next season. That's a friggin' cop out.


IMO the problem you have at the moment is the problem that everybody has who relies on JUCOs as heavily as Louisville does.....eventually you develop holes in your roster. It's impossible to build depth when you accelerate your roster turnover with two year players.
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This isn't the same Petrino that was at Louisville from 2003-2006. For whatever reason, Petrino 2.0 has lost his creativity playcalling. It doesn't help that the OLine is pretty weak. Defense is a huge cluster all together. Sirmon was a bad hire
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Open Thread - 2017 Football Season - Week 6
(10-06-2017 04:07 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 03:44 PM)Dasville Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 03:19 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 02:14 PM)Dasville Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 01:31 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Maybe on paper. From what I've sen this year a lack of physical talent is IMO the biggest problem you have as anything, and I have seen all or part of the Purdue, UNC, Clemson and now NC State games. I don't care who your defensive coordinator is when your defensive backs are physically unable to keep up with a WR making a double move there is absolutely nothing he can do.

And while your first team DL may be decent Clemson showed, and NC State to a lesser extent, that there is a huge drop off once you get to the second string and if you are disciplined enough to keep running the ball eventually you'll wear the Card defense down and you can start gashing them.


I know the popular thing is to blame Sirmon but this season was set in motion several recruiting cycles ago. You simply did not have the talent there to replace the attrition you had from last year's defense.

So you are saying UofL's D line is comparable to the rest of the ACC minus Clemson, FSU and Miami but the secondary personnel are at the bottom of the ACC? Regardless of Defensive scheme?
.
.
.
.
.
Ok

Not at all what I am saying

At this point from what I have seen I would put the UL DL behind GT, NC State, Wake and BC as well.

And yes, your secondary is near the bottom of the ACC IMO. Alexander being healthy might help some, but he's only one part of a unit that hasn't been very good at all.

How many years have we been P5? That is what I am referring to. We used to represent the BEST of the G5 and now we are the last into the P5.
It truly is a whole new world. UofL is literally 4 years old at being "big time" in modern SemiProfesional sports.

A historic rise that will be documented in the history of sports!

Don't give me that BS. You were never a G5 school. You've been a P5 school as long as everybody else in the ACC because the P5 label started with the playoffs. You've been recruiting at the BCS autobid/P5 level since 2005. Your only year in the AAC they were still a BCS autobid conference and any limitations your conference status would have had at that point would have been overridden by the knowledge that you were moving to the ACC the next season. That's a friggin' cop out.


IMO the problem you have at the moment is the problem that everybody has who relies on JUCOs as heavily as Louisville does.....eventually you develop holes in your roster. It's impossible to build depth when you accelerate your roster turnover with two year players.


Kap does make some good points. I don't think that it's as much as JUCO's as a shift in the focus in recruiting. Strong focused heavily on defense & his best players were on defense, Pitrino is the opposite. You could see the drop off in the secondary when Clemons, Wiggins & Alexander came off the field last season. That drop off still exists even though Williams & Washington improved some over the offseason.

Strong didn't recruit OL & we still haven't filled all of those holes yet. While the BE was an AQ conference, recruiting has improved under Petrino & the ACC, by rankings anyway. The Cards are just now putting back to back top 30 classes together. We should start seeing greater depth develop, offensively anyway.

The defense needs to recruit better. I don't know if Sirmon can do it. He needs to get more aggressive in his play calling as well. Since we do have a weak secondary we need to pressure the QB more to cover up this weakness, it's what Granthem did but to the extreme. Sirmon defense seems to let the opposing QB carve up our secondary. What Granthem did well was disguising his blitz, blitz seems to be a dirty word to Sirmon. Our front 4 aren't talented enough to get adequate pressure by themselves consistently. I don't think that he is fully utilizing our LB's.

I would like to see more qualified assistants on the staff as well instead of filling it with Pitrinos' friends & family. An experienced/better WR, DB, RB, DL & LB coach would help. Sirmon defense is to vanilla & laid back. Our DB's aren't looking back for the ball. I couldn't believe how bad tackling was against the Pack, the fundamentals & proper angles are fading. Petrino seems to be having a hard time bringing in top assistants & coordinators. We need a high quality DC who can also recruit top talent on defense.

*1 note on recruiting, the Cards do have 4 4* recruits committed for next season with 2 of them being DB's according to rivals. We have 10 3*. That's a good class for Louisville this early.


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(10-07-2017 12:32 PM)SUisBigEast4ever Wrote:  Every single week Syracuse gets screwed by ACC refs.

Syracuse had a TD taken away by an OPI call that was very minimal contact. Meanwhile, Pitt DBs mugged Syracuse WRs on 3 plays that drive with not one call.

Pitt had 4th and 1 from the SU 45-yard line. Pitt has a jumbo set and both tight ends on the left side of the line jumped early and "somehow" the refs didn't see either one. Pitt then got a TD on that drive.

Just get out of this conference already.

I'm sure the AAC would accept you.
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(10-07-2017 12:43 PM)ken d Wrote:  I'm sure the AAC would accept you.

I'd gladly accept. They have some good programs and the officiating probably isn't corrupt like this conference is.
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(10-07-2017 12:48 PM)SUisBigEast4ever Wrote:  
(10-07-2017 12:43 PM)ken d Wrote:  I'm sure the AAC would accept you.

I'd gladly accept. They have some good programs and the officiating probably isn't corrupt like this conference is.


The BE/AAC football refs were worse than the ACC's!


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Clemson becomes the first school to become bowl eligible in 2017.
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Wow. Oklahoma goes down to Iowa State. 04-jawdrop
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Note to UNC (and all offensive coordinators everywhere): If you throw an incomplete pass out of your own end zone on 1st down, you're not fooling anybody by running on 2nd down. We ALL know what's coming, so stop calling that sequence every time you're in that situation.

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Thank freakin god.

MIAMI wins over FSU 24-20!
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(10-07-2017 06:23 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  Thank freakin god.

MIAMI wins over FSU 24-20!

About time!. I was sick of the Canes losing to FSU.
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(10-07-2017 06:23 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  Thank freakin god.

MIAMI wins over FSU 24-20!

About time!. I was sick of the Canes losing to FSU.

You and me both. So happy we finally pulled out a win. Tired of losing to our biggest rival. Proud alum!
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6-0, 4-0.

Next up a Friday night matchup with a high school level team
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Now do the right thing Miami and have a hangover next week.
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SJSU may look like a team of tangerines ... but God help me I do like those uniforms.
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(10-07-2017 07:19 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  6-0, 4-0.

Next up a Friday night matchup with a high school level team

we will just roll the bowl out and see what happens
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(10-07-2017 07:30 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Now do the right thing Miami and have a hangover next week.

No
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