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RE: 2017-2018 AAC Basketball Media Days (with Preseason Coaches Poll / Awards)
(10-16-2017 10:09 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Of course we were slighted. Nearly every preseason publication has Wichita State as a top 10 team and Cincy as merely top 25. If the ChicKUns were in this league (we are ranked ahead of them in some preseason polls), people would be like WTF? Well... there is no diference between WSU and KU this year except for branding - end of story.

Like I said, thanks for the motivation. Marshall will make this conference pay. I predict he will be liked about as much in the AAC as he was in the MVC, Big South, etc... If it's not salary envy, it will be W/L envy or national popularity envy. If it's neither of those it will be because Gregg Marshall sometimes just comes off like a dick.

I wouldn't have it any other way.


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This is Cold getting warmed up. Just wait AAC fans, he will get worse... 03-wink
10-16-2017 10:46 AM
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RE: 2017-2018 AAC Basketball Media Days (with Preseason Coaches Poll / Awards)
(10-16-2017 10:42 AM)Wudizzle Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 10:33 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 10:19 AM)Wudizzle Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 10:16 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 10:09 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Of course we were slighted. Nearly every preseason publication has Wichita State as a top 10 team and Cincy as merely top 25. If the ChicKUns were in this league (we are ranked ahead of them in some preseason polls), people would be like WTF? Well... there is no diference between WSU and KU this year except for branding - end of story.

Like I said, thanks for the motivation. Marshall will make this conference pay. I predict he will be liked about as much in the AAC as he was in the MVC, Big South, etc... If it's not salary envy, it will be W/L envy or national popularity envy. If it's neither of those it will be because Gregg Marshall sometimes just comes off like a dick.

I wouldn't have it any other way.


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I've seen Cincinnati in a bunch of Top 10 to Top 15 rankings. Combine that with Wichita's injuries, and I don't really think you have a place to complain or feel slighted.
As a person who doesn't really have a problem with this poll...

Why should the injuries come into play? If you're going to the effort to know WSU has injured players when making your poll, then you also know that those players are expected back before league play begins. That logic doesn't hold water.

Of course coaches are going to (as they should) take starters' current injuries into account. Even if the injured players return before league play, they will have missed the entire preseason and potentially part of or the entire OOC. That's a disadvantage, no matter how you look at it.

Or, it's wishful thinking. A RS Sophomore returning in mid-November isn't likely to still be shaking off cobwebs in January.

Hard to call it wishful thinking when WSU isn't going to be at full strength in the OOC. That benefits none of us.
10-16-2017 10:46 AM
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(10-16-2017 09:37 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Any shade thrown the Shocker's way is more than welcome. We do best when we are slighted. That being said, with injuries to two of our key players, it's normal to think we would lose a little preseason love. Make no mistake though... we're beating this conference silly when we're whole.


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You are so boring and predictable. 03-zzz
10-16-2017 10:48 AM
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RE: 2017-2018 AAC Basketball Media Days (with Preseason Coaches Poll / Awards)
(10-16-2017 10:46 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 10:42 AM)Wudizzle Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 10:33 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 10:19 AM)Wudizzle Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 10:16 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  I've seen Cincinnati in a bunch of Top 10 to Top 15 rankings. Combine that with Wichita's injuries, and I don't really think you have a place to complain or feel slighted.
As a person who doesn't really have a problem with this poll...

Why should the injuries come into play? If you're going to the effort to know WSU has injured players when making your poll, then you also know that those players are expected back before league play begins. That logic doesn't hold water.

Of course coaches are going to (as they should) take starters' current injuries into account. Even if the injured players return before league play, they will have missed the entire preseason and potentially part of or the entire OOC. That's a disadvantage, no matter how you look at it.

Or, it's wishful thinking. A RS Sophomore returning in mid-November isn't likely to still be shaking off cobwebs in January.

Hard to call it wishful thinking when WSU isn't going to be at full strength in the OOC. That benefits none of us.
I agree that doesn't benefit anyone (except perhaps the WSU bench). It also may have zero impact on in-conference performance, which is what this poll is for.

Like I have said, I'm not upset about the poll. I think Cincy is going to be legit Top 10. I just think the injury logic is flawed.
10-16-2017 10:49 AM
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(10-16-2017 10:44 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 10:39 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 10:22 AM)BigDawg Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 10:09 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Of course we were slighted. Nearly every preseason publication has Wichita State as a top 10 team and Cincy as merely top 25. If the ChicKUns were in this league (we are ranked ahead of them in some preseason polls), people would be like WTF? Well... there is no diference between WSU and KU this year except for branding - end of story.

Like I said, thanks for the motivation. Marshall will make this conference pay. I predict he will be liked about as much in the AAC as he was in the MVC, Big South, etc... If it's not salary envy, it will be W/L envy or national popularity envy. If it's neither of those it will be because Gregg Marshall sometimes just comes off like a dick.

I wouldn't have it any other way.


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For the record, Cincinnati has a few top 10s as well and mainly in the mid teens. UC is always disrespected in the preseason polls and rarely seem to get ranked and then wind up in the top 20 when the season ends.

WSU is a very good team, but I do think you will feel the pinch of the new conference. There are a lot of teams that are in the middle or bottom half that will have the talent or scheme to beat anyone, so you can't have a day off and UC and WSU will get everyone's best shot. Good luck and I do think it will be a heck of a battle for the title (And don't sleep on UCF).

Nothing against Cincy. Wichita State was ranked #1 in the country by ESPN.

I'm wondering now if Marshall paid to have a few votes thrown Cincy's way. He's notorious for trying to control optimism in the locker room. Being picked #2 in THIS league smacks of manipulation - manipulation that is totally in our favor BTW. It just looks silly to the national media. Right now they're like:

ESPN
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CBS
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Just wait until you meet Gary Clark.

Mick Cronin will be breast feeding Greg Marshall by the end of the season.

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(10-16-2017 10:32 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  Tulsa's Junior Etou gets 2nd team consideration yet Tulsa is picked 8th in the conference. That seems really odd to me. I think we finish 5th overall. (We almost finished 5th last year)

Let’s be real though. UConn was down because of injuries, they out talent 4-8 by a good margin and if they start geling they can really compete. Houston has rob gray and a really good offense, temple has 4 Star talent all over and plenty more talent than tulsa on paper, but was young last year and UCF has bj Taylor, Tacko Fall, aj Davis and Aubrey Dawkins.

Tulsa finishing 5th would mean they over achieved by a large margin. They just don’t have the fire power in my opinion to climb the ranks in this league. I think they will be tough to beat at home just can’t picture them stealing many away game wins from the teams ranked above them
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(10-16-2017 10:37 AM)Wudizzle Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 10:32 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  Tulsa's Junior Etou gets 2nd team consideration yet Tulsa is picked 8th in the conference. That seems really odd to me. I think we finish 5th overall. (We almost finished 5th last year)

I think 3-8 is crazy-hard to predict. Could really come down to in-conference schedule strength and who is injured when, with the teams that finish in the upper half of that pile dancing, and the teams in the lower half of that pile very sad. This poll has UConn a little higher than I would pick them. I think they are the big wildcard in that middle group. High ceiling/low floor depending on how quickly things come together for them.

Kevin Ollie has to show some coaching ability before I put that team that high. Tulsa's additions seem to have really been to our benefit. We're going to be pretty light in post depth after our best defensive bigman chose to return to Australia to turn Pro, but if we can keep our bigs out of foul trouble we should have the shooting depth this year to really take it to some teams offensively and in the defensive back court.
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Pre-season polls mean nothing. We will see who is standing at the end of the year.
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RE: 2017-2018 AAC Basketball Media Days (with Preseason Coaches Poll / Awards)
(10-16-2017 10:55 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 10:37 AM)Wudizzle Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 10:32 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  Tulsa's Junior Etou gets 2nd team consideration yet Tulsa is picked 8th in the conference. That seems really odd to me. I think we finish 5th overall. (We almost finished 5th last year)

I think 3-8 is crazy-hard to predict. Could really come down to in-conference schedule strength and who is injured when, with the teams that finish in the upper half of that pile dancing, and the teams in the lower half of that pile very sad. This poll has UConn a little higher than I would pick them. I think they are the big wildcard in that middle group. High ceiling/low floor depending on how quickly things come together for them.

Kevin Ollie has to show some coaching ability before I put that team that high. Tulsa's additions seem to have really been to our benefit. We're going to be pretty light in post depth after our best defensive bigman chose to return to Australia to turn Pro, but if we can keep our bigs out of foul trouble we should have the shooting depth this year to really take it to some teams offensively and in the defensive back court.

So you won't put UCONN that high based on Ollie's coaching ability, but you will place Tulsa that high based on Haith's coaching ability? 03-lmfao
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(10-16-2017 10:59 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 10:55 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 10:37 AM)Wudizzle Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 10:32 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  Tulsa's Junior Etou gets 2nd team consideration yet Tulsa is picked 8th in the conference. That seems really odd to me. I think we finish 5th overall. (We almost finished 5th last year)

I think 3-8 is crazy-hard to predict. Could really come down to in-conference schedule strength and who is injured when, with the teams that finish in the upper half of that pile dancing, and the teams in the lower half of that pile very sad. This poll has UConn a little higher than I would pick them. I think they are the big wildcard in that middle group. High ceiling/low floor depending on how quickly things come together for them.

Kevin Ollie has to show some coaching ability before I put that team that high. Tulsa's additions seem to have really been to our benefit. We're going to be pretty light in post depth after our best defensive bigman chose to return to Australia to turn Pro, but if we can keep our bigs out of foul trouble we should have the shooting depth this year to really take it to some teams offensively and in the defensive back court.

So you won't put UCONN that high based on Ollie's coaching ability, but you will place Tulsa that high based on Haith's coaching ability? 03-lmfao

There's no way I would place Haith high on the in-game coaching totem pole. But I would certainly place him above Ollie.
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