Big 10:


Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Rutgers, Syracuse

Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue

Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern, Wisconsin

California, Oregon, Stanford, U.S.C., Washington



Big 12:


Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, T.C.U., Texas Tech

Colorado, Oregon State, U.C.L.A., Utah, Washington State

Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska, Missouri

Arkansas, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas




SEC:


Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech

Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M

Clemson, Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, South Carolina

Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia, Virginia Tech



Trans America Conference:


Boston College, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Pittsburgh, West Virginia

Central Florida, East Carolina, Miami, South Florida, Wake Forest

Boise State, Nevada, New Mexico, San Diego State, Wyoming

Houston, Louisville, Memphis, S.M.U., Tulane


Now we have a P4 of 80 schools.

Now that I've printed this alignment MHver3 can concoct an anonymous twitter source tall tale to explain it all.

He can have Nebraska, Arkansas, and Missouri sources for the return to the Big 12.

He can create PAC Man to explain why the West Coast was gobbled up.

He can hype the return of The Backyard Brawl and talk about how WVU is P4 and back with friends and rivals. And he can even credit all of it as being Oliver Luck's master grand plan that was hatched with Deloss Dodds low those many years ago and how it all played out as they had foreseen because ever mother who ever read a realignment thread knows that the whole danged world revolves around Morgantown.

And to top it all off with a major king sized cherry on top, the ACC has met its demise!

If that doesn't make Eer's everywhere have to put plastic sheets on the bed nothing ever will!

(10-18-2017 01:38 AM)JRsec Wrote:  He can hype the return of The Backyard Brawl and talk about how WVU is P4 and back with friends and rivals. And he can even credit all of it as being Oliver Luck's master grand plan that was hatched with Deloss Dodds low those many years ago and how it all played out as they had foreseen because ever mother who ever read a realignment thread knows that the whole danged world revolves around Morgantown.

(10-18-2017 01:38 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Big 10:


Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Rutgers, Syracuse

Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue

Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern, Wisconsin

California, Oregon, Stanford, U.S.C., Washington



Big 12:


Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, T.C.U., Texas Tech

Colorado, Oregon State, U.C.L.A., Utah, Washington State

Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska, Missouri

Arkansas, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas




SEC:


West Virginia, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech

Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M

Clemson, Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, South Carolina

Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia, Virginia Tech



Trans America Conference:


Boston College, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Pittsburgh, Auburn

Central Florida, East Carolina, Miami, South Florida, Wake Forest

Boise State, Nevada, New Mexico, San Diego State, Wyoming

Houston, Louisville, Memphis, S.M.U., Tulane
[/b]

Now we have a P4 of 80 schools.

My internet sources say you just about have it right....You just got two switched. With that move, Auburn can now win their conference yearly, while WVU is demoted to doormat...

(10-18-2017 12:26 PM)Otacon Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 01:38 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Big 10:


Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Rutgers, Syracuse

Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue

Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern, Wisconsin

California, Oregon, Stanford, U.S.C., Washington



Big 12:


Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, T.C.U., Texas Tech

Colorado, Oregon State, U.C.L.A., Utah, Washington State

Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska, Missouri

Arkansas, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas




SEC:


West Virginia, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech

Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M

Clemson, Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, South Carolina

Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia, Virginia Tech



Trans America Conference:


Boston College, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Pittsburgh, Auburn

Central Florida, East Carolina, Miami, South Florida, Wake Forest

Boise State, Nevada, New Mexico, San Diego State, Wyoming

Houston, Louisville, Memphis, S.M.U., Tulane
[/b]

Now we have a P4 of 80 schools.

My internet sources say you just about have it right....You just got two switched. With that move, Auburn can now win their conference yearly, while WVU is demoted to doormat...

All is fair in humor!

You guys should sue to get MHver3 and the Dude to either have to pay through the nose to use the University's Logos or to silence them as ad hoc spokespersons for WVU.

Didn't Old Blue & Gold stop their shenanigans there?

(10-18-2017 01:38 AM)JRsec Wrote:  SEC:


Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech

Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M

Clemson, Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, South Carolina

Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia, Virginia Tech

That would be an awesome conference. Well done.

(10-18-2017 01:38 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Big 10:


Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Rutgers, Syracuse

Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue

Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern, Wisconsin

California, Oregon, Stanford, U.S.C., Washington



Big 12:


Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, T.C.U., Texas Tech

Colorado, Oregon State, U.C.L.A., Utah, Washington State

Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska, Missouri

Arkansas, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas




SEC:


Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech

Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M

Clemson, Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, South Carolina

Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia, Virginia Tech



Trans America Conference:


Boston College, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Pittsburgh, West Virginia

Central Florida, East Carolina, Miami, South Florida, Wake Forest

Boise State, Nevada, New Mexico, San Diego State, Wyoming

Houston, Louisville, Memphis, S.M.U., Tulane


Now we have a P4 of 80 schools.

Now that I've printed this alignment MHver3 can concoct an anonymous twitter source tall tale to explain it all.

He can have Nebraska, Arkansas, and Missouri sources for the return to the Big 12.

He can create PAC Man to explain why the West Coast was gobbled up.

He can hype the return of The Backyard Brawl and talk about how WVU is P4 and back with friends and rivals. And he can even credit all of it as being Oliver Luck's master grand plan that was hatched with Deloss Dodds low those many years ago and how it all played out as they had foreseen because ever mother who ever read a realignment thread knows that the whole danged world revolves around Morgantown.

And to top it all off with a major king sized cherry on top, the ACC has met its demise!

If that doesn't make Eer's everywhere have to put plastic sheets on the bed nothing ever will!

I'll tell you this: each subsequent realignment scenario you've put out has been more interesting than the previous. In a way, I like this better than your idea of a P3 consisting of 20 each. The obvious question is how much would the fourth new conference would generate in the open market. I'm not sure West Virginia would leave the Big 12 in the case of them adding programs in the plains and West. The fourth conference would have to generate revenues that would be nearly comparable to what the other three would receive and then it's a matter of whether it's worth it for them to be in a more regional division.

(10-19-2017 12:02 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 01:38 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Big 10:


Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Rutgers, Syracuse

Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue

Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern, Wisconsin

California, Oregon, Stanford, U.S.C., Washington



Big 12:


Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, T.C.U., Texas Tech

Colorado, Oregon State, U.C.L.A., Utah, Washington State

Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska, Missouri

Arkansas, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas




SEC:


Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech

Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M

Clemson, Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, South Carolina

Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia, Virginia Tech



Trans America Conference:


Boston College, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Pittsburgh, West Virginia

Central Florida, East Carolina, Miami, South Florida, Wake Forest

Boise State, Nevada, New Mexico, San Diego State, Wyoming

Houston, Louisville, Memphis, S.M.U., Tulane


Now we have a P4 of 80 schools.

Now that I've printed this alignment MHver3 can concoct an anonymous twitter source tall tale to explain it all.

He can have Nebraska, Arkansas, and Missouri sources for the return to the Big 12.

He can create PAC Man to explain why the West Coast was gobbled up.

He can hype the return of The Backyard Brawl and talk about how WVU is P4 and back with friends and rivals. And he can even credit all of it as being Oliver Luck's master grand plan that was hatched with Deloss Dodds low those many years ago and how it all played out as they had foreseen because ever mother who ever read a realignment thread knows that the whole danged world revolves around Morgantown.

And to top it all off with a major king sized cherry on top, the ACC has met its demise!

If that doesn't make Eer's everywhere have to put plastic sheets on the bed nothing ever will!

I'll tell you this: each subsequent realignment scenario you've put out has been more interesting than the previous. In a way, I like this better than your idea of a P3 consisting of 20 each. The obvious question is how much would the fourth new conference would generate in the open market. I'm not sure West Virginia would leave the Big 12 in the case of them adding programs in the plains and West. The fourth conference would have to generate revenues that would be nearly comparable to what the other three would receive and then it's a matter of whether it's worth it for them to be in a more regional division.

All tiers of rights the 4th conference would have to make 35 total to be viable. So they essentially get paid whatever the Big 12 was making.

It does yield some nice groupings for the Big 10 & SEC. And the Big 12 makes some sense too.

But as far as West Virginia is concerned being in a P4 is better than watching the Big 12 implode with nowhere else to go.

Plus OOC games with this conference would help to balance things record wise and if their champ got in every year the access would also be a reward.

At 35 even Miami makes more. When you figure travel you have 4 divisional games all within your area. If you play 2 schools from each of the other divisions on a rotating basis that's 10 games. Any body you want to play as a permanent rival would count as an OOC game in years when they weren't in the rotation and those games out of the rotation wouldn't count in conference standings.

Washington State President Kirk Schulz:

Stefanie Loh
@StefanieLoh
Schulz: "Pac-12 network is still not providing the dollars the other schools in SEC and BTN get from their network."
4:20 PM · Oct 17, 2017

Stefanie Loh
@StefanieLoh
Schulz: "This is a concern to the Pac-12 presidents and large discussion point in meetings with the commissioner. "
4:20 PM · Oct 17, 2017

These statements fuel the fire and slight credibility of these PAC-12 realignment tweets as there is a need to catch up with their third Teir revenues and, more importantly, that desire is strong from the Presidents.

Easy solution: copy B1G and SEC models and replace the current multichannel format; even possibly partner with a broadcaster.

Hard solution: maintain status quo and see schools leave more for profitable conferences.

(10-19-2017 01:34 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  Washington State President Kirk Schulz:

Stefanie Loh
@StefanieLoh
Schulz: "Pac-12 network is still not providing the dollars the other schools in SEC and BTN get from their network."
4:20 PM · Oct 17, 2017

Stefanie Loh
@StefanieLoh
Schulz: "This is a concern to the Pac-12 presidents and large discussion point in meetings with the commissioner. "
4:20 PM · Oct 17, 2017

These statements fuel the fire and slight credibility of these PAC-12 realignment tweets as there is a need to catch up with their third Teir revenues and, more importantly, that desire is strong from the Presidents.

Easy solution: copy B1G and SEC models and replace the current multichannel format; even possibly partner with a broadcaster.

Hard solution: maintain status quo and see schools leave more for profitable conferences.

I think there are a few takeaways here.

1) The PAC is comparing themselves to the SEC and B1G as far as revenue goes. They think they should be getting a comparable figure. Even if they trim the fat from the PAC Networks, I'm not sure they'd get a comparable level of revenue so it makes you wonder what they're willing to do to get there.

2) While trimming the fat and signing on with a major network would be best, I'm not sure even that would give them what they want. They need schools in the CTZ and more favorable time slots for their other games as well. Those late time slots are fine and all because the West Coast can engage and night owls like me will stay up late to watch, but they won't get maximum exposure by doing that. They need the standard 3 blocks that every region gets...early game, middle, and late game. If it so happens that their late game is later than everyone else then ok, but they need most of their schedule in the heart of the day like everyone else.

(10-19-2017 01:34 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  Washington State President Kirk Schulz:

Stefanie Loh
@StefanieLoh
Schulz: "Pac-12 network is still not providing the dollars the other schools in SEC and BTN get from their network."
4:20 PM · Oct 17, 2017

Stefanie Loh
@StefanieLoh
Schulz: "This is a concern to the Pac-12 presidents and large discussion point in meetings with the commissioner. "
4:20 PM · Oct 17, 2017

These statements fuel the fire and slight credibility of these PAC-12 realignment tweets as there is a need to catch up with their third Teir revenues and, more importantly, that desire is strong from the Presidents.

Easy solution: copy B1G and SEC models and replace the current multichannel format; even possibly partner with a broadcaster.

Hard solution: maintain status quo and see schools leave more for profitable conferences.

If the PAC relinquishes control of the PACN and ESPN rolls the LHN into their new PACN then things might be a go for a 6 to 8 school merger of the PAC and Big 12. That would provide a lot more balance between what probably would wind up being 3 twenty school conferences. How long it would take the ACC to throw in the towel would be debatable. But 6 to 8 Big 12 schools to the PAC would cement the ACC into a very distant last place economically. ESPN could then leverage the ACC Northern properties into a larger share of the Big 10 and roll the properties they really wanted to keep into the SEC.

Perhaps the PAC could look like this:

Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State

Arizona, Arizona State, California, U.C.L.A., U.S.C.

Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Utah

Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, T.C.U., Texas Tech

Then sooner or later the Big 10 and SEC might look like this:

B1G

Boston College, Notre Dame, Purdue, Rutgers, Syracuse

Duke, Maryland, North Carolina, Penn State, Virginia

Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State

Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin


SEC:

Kentucky, N.C. State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech

Auburn, Clemson, Georgia, Georgia Tech, South Carolina

Alabama, Florida, Florida State, Mississippi State, Miami

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Missouri, Texas A&M


***************************************************
Pittsburgh, Wake Forest, and Louisville join the AAC.

West Virginia, and Baylor join the AAC.

The AAC rounds out at 20 and becomes the 4th P conference.

(10-19-2017 12:34 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 12:02 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 01:38 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Big 10:


Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Rutgers, Syracuse

Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue

Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern, Wisconsin

California, Oregon, Stanford, U.S.C., Washington



Big 12:


Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, T.C.U., Texas Tech

Colorado, Oregon State, U.C.L.A., Utah, Washington State

Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska, Missouri

Arkansas, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas




SEC:


Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech

Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M

Clemson, Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, South Carolina

Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia, Virginia Tech



Trans America Conference:


Boston College, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Pittsburgh, West Virginia

Central Florida, East Carolina, Miami, South Florida, Wake Forest

Boise State, Nevada, New Mexico, San Diego State, Wyoming

Houston, Louisville, Memphis, S.M.U., Tulane


Now we have a P4 of 80 schools.

Now that I've printed this alignment MHver3 can concoct an anonymous twitter source tall tale to explain it all.

He can have Nebraska, Arkansas, and Missouri sources for the return to the Big 12.

He can create PAC Man to explain why the West Coast was gobbled up.

He can hype the return of The Backyard Brawl and talk about how WVU is P4 and back with friends and rivals. And he can even credit all of it as being Oliver Luck's master grand plan that was hatched with Deloss Dodds low those many years ago and how it all played out as they had foreseen because ever mother who ever read a realignment thread knows that the whole danged world revolves around Morgantown.

And to top it all off with a major king sized cherry on top, the ACC has met its demise!

If that doesn't make Eer's everywhere have to put plastic sheets on the bed nothing ever will!

I'll tell you this: each subsequent realignment scenario you've put out has been more interesting than the previous. In a way, I like this better than your idea of a P3 consisting of 20 each. The obvious question is how much would the fourth new conference would generate in the open market. I'm not sure West Virginia would leave the Big 12 in the case of them adding programs in the plains and West. The fourth conference would have to generate revenues that would be nearly comparable to what the other three would receive and then it's a matter of whether it's worth it for them to be in a more regional division.

All tiers of rights the 4th conference would have to make 35 total to be viable. So they essentially get paid whatever the Big 12 was making.

It does yield some nice groupings for the Big 10 & SEC. And the Big 12 makes some sense too.

But as far as West Virginia is concerned being in a P4 is better than watching the Big 12 implode with nowhere else to go.

Plus OOC games with this conference would help to balance things record wise and if their champ got in every year the access would also be a reward.

At 35 even Miami makes more. When you figure travel you have 4 divisional games all within your area. If you play 2 schools from each of the other divisions on a rotating basis that's 10 games. Any body you want to play as a permanent rival would count as an OOC game in years when they weren't in the rotation and those games out of the rotation wouldn't count in conference standings.

The other issue is would the Big 12 make the internal changes needed to be an attractive home for several programs in the future. It's one thing to say that the solution is to bring in some big name programs the other thing is to make yourselves an attractive option for programs who might want to switch. I'm not sure the current set-up of having a combined top-two tier and individualized third-tier media contracts is the future. Money won't grow for eternity and the name of the game is exposure, especially exposure to alumni living across the country and even outside. That is what makes streaming an attractive proposition. The LHN would have to be dealt with sooner or later. Why wouldn't UT want to increase exposure for their programs when football isn't in season? Then there's Oklahoma, where a good part of their fans is constantly unhappy and would take any spot elsewhere except the ACC. Can they be persuaded that they can see an improved Big 12 with better exposure and great stability?

If you have to wager between the Pac 12 and Big 12 surviving the next round which has a better chance?

(10-19-2017 07:28 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 12:34 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 12:02 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 01:38 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Big 10:


Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Rutgers, Syracuse

Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue

Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern, Wisconsin

California, Oregon, Stanford, U.S.C., Washington



Big 12:


Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, T.C.U., Texas Tech

Colorado, Oregon State, U.C.L.A., Utah, Washington State

Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska, Missouri

Arkansas, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas




SEC:


Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech

Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M

Clemson, Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, South Carolina

Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia, Virginia Tech



Trans America Conference:


Boston College, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Pittsburgh, West Virginia

Central Florida, East Carolina, Miami, South Florida, Wake Forest

Boise State, Nevada, New Mexico, San Diego State, Wyoming

Houston, Louisville, Memphis, S.M.U., Tulane


Now we have a P4 of 80 schools.

Now that I've printed this alignment MHver3 can concoct an anonymous twitter source tall tale to explain it all.

He can have Nebraska, Arkansas, and Missouri sources for the return to the Big 12.

He can create PAC Man to explain why the West Coast was gobbled up.

He can hype the return of The Backyard Brawl and talk about how WVU is P4 and back with friends and rivals. And he can even credit all of it as being Oliver Luck's master grand plan that was hatched with Deloss Dodds low those many years ago and how it all played out as they had foreseen because ever mother who ever read a realignment thread knows that the whole danged world revolves around Morgantown.

And to top it all off with a major king sized cherry on top, the ACC has met its demise!

If that doesn't make Eer's everywhere have to put plastic sheets on the bed nothing ever will!

I'll tell you this: each subsequent realignment scenario you've put out has been more interesting than the previous. In a way, I like this better than your idea of a P3 consisting of 20 each. The obvious question is how much would the fourth new conference would generate in the open market. I'm not sure West Virginia would leave the Big 12 in the case of them adding programs in the plains and West. The fourth conference would have to generate revenues that would be nearly comparable to what the other three would receive and then it's a matter of whether it's worth it for them to be in a more regional division.

All tiers of rights the 4th conference would have to make 35 total to be viable. So they essentially get paid whatever the Big 12 was making.

It does yield some nice groupings for the Big 10 & SEC. And the Big 12 makes some sense too.

But as far as West Virginia is concerned being in a P4 is better than watching the Big 12 implode with nowhere else to go.

Plus OOC games with this conference would help to balance things record wise and if their champ got in every year the access would also be a reward.

At 35 even Miami makes more. When you figure travel you have 4 divisional games all within your area. If you play 2 schools from each of the other divisions on a rotating basis that's 10 games. Any body you want to play as a permanent rival would count as an OOC game in years when they weren't in the rotation and those games out of the rotation wouldn't count in conference standings.

The other issue is would the Big 12 make the internal changes needed to be an attractive home for several programs in the future. It's one thing to say that the solution is to bring in some big name programs the other thing is to make yourselves an attractive option for programs who might want to switch. I'm not sure the current set-up of having a combined top-two tier and individualized third-tier media contracts is the future. Money won't grow for eternity and the name of the game is exposure, especially exposure to alumni living across the country and even outside. That is what makes streaming an attractive proposition. The LHN would have to be dealt with sooner or later. Why wouldn't UT want to increase exposure for their programs when football isn't in season? Then there's Oklahoma, where a good part of their fans is constantly unhappy and would take any spot elsewhere except the ACC. Can they be persuaded that they can see an improved Big 12 with better exposure and great stability?

If you have to wager between the Pac 12 and Big 12 surviving the next round which has a better chance?

Since Texas made almost 51 million last year in total TV rights, I'd say that if Texas decides to move the Big 12 is history first, but if Texas decides to stay and Oklahoma does as well out of fear of alienating Bevo the way the Aggies did, that the Big 12 could dig in like a tick because the other 8 won't do a danged thing, even in 2024-5. Nobody wants any of the rest without Texas or Oklahoma and that includes Kansas.

If key AAU schools in the PAC want to move together to the Big 10 and form a division I suppose it's possible, but not likely due to travel in minor sports.

So, my guess is that both could stand pat for quite some time.

However, if the PAC tosses in with ESPN for Network carriage and management then it is quite possible since ESPN controls Texas until 2035 through the LHN that ESPN could sanction and orchestrate a mass move of Big 12 product to the PAC.

So it is this last scenario that has the highest degree of likelihood to happen.

(10-19-2017 10:37 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 07:28 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 12:34 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 12:02 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 01:38 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Big 10:


Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Rutgers, Syracuse

Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue

Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern, Wisconsin

California, Oregon, Stanford, U.S.C., Washington



Big 12:


Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, T.C.U., Texas Tech

Colorado, Oregon State, U.C.L.A., Utah, Washington State

Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska, Missouri

Arkansas, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas




SEC:


Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech

Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M

Clemson, Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, South Carolina

Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia, Virginia Tech



Trans America Conference:


Boston College, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Pittsburgh, West Virginia

Central Florida, East Carolina, Miami, South Florida, Wake Forest

Boise State, Nevada, New Mexico, San Diego State, Wyoming

Houston, Louisville, Memphis, S.M.U., Tulane


Now we have a P4 of 80 schools.

Now that I've printed this alignment MHver3 can concoct an anonymous twitter source tall tale to explain it all.

He can have Nebraska, Arkansas, and Missouri sources for the return to the Big 12.

He can create PAC Man to explain why the West Coast was gobbled up.

He can hype the return of The Backyard Brawl and talk about how WVU is P4 and back with friends and rivals. And he can even credit all of it as being Oliver Luck's master grand plan that was hatched with Deloss Dodds low those many years ago and how it all played out as they had foreseen because ever mother who ever read a realignment thread knows that the whole danged world revolves around Morgantown.

And to top it all off with a major king sized cherry on top, the ACC has met its demise!

If that doesn't make Eer's everywhere have to put plastic sheets on the bed nothing ever will!

I'll tell you this: each subsequent realignment scenario you've put out has been more interesting than the previous. In a way, I like this better than your idea of a P3 consisting of 20 each. The obvious question is how much would the fourth new conference would generate in the open market. I'm not sure West Virginia would leave the Big 12 in the case of them adding programs in the plains and West. The fourth conference would have to generate revenues that would be nearly comparable to what the other three would receive and then it's a matter of whether it's worth it for them to be in a more regional division.

All tiers of rights the 4th conference would have to make 35 total to be viable. So they essentially get paid whatever the Big 12 was making.

It does yield some nice groupings for the Big 10 & SEC. And the Big 12 makes some sense too.

But as far as West Virginia is concerned being in a P4 is better than watching the Big 12 implode with nowhere else to go.

Plus OOC games with this conference would help to balance things record wise and if their champ got in every year the access would also be a reward.

At 35 even Miami makes more. When you figure travel you have 4 divisional games all within your area. If you play 2 schools from each of the other divisions on a rotating basis that's 10 games. Any body you want to play as a permanent rival would count as an OOC game in years when they weren't in the rotation and those games out of the rotation wouldn't count in conference standings.

The other issue is would the Big 12 make the internal changes needed to be an attractive home for several programs in the future. It's one thing to say that the solution is to bring in some big name programs the other thing is to make yourselves an attractive option for programs who might want to switch. I'm not sure the current set-up of having a combined top-two tier and individualized third-tier media contracts is the future. Money won't grow for eternity and the name of the game is exposure, especially exposure to alumni living across the country and even outside. That is what makes streaming an attractive proposition. The LHN would have to be dealt with sooner or later. Why wouldn't UT want to increase exposure for their programs when football isn't in season? Then there's Oklahoma, where a good part of their fans is constantly unhappy and would take any spot elsewhere except the ACC. Can they be persuaded that they can see an improved Big 12 with better exposure and great stability?

If you have to wager between the Pac 12 and Big 12 surviving the next round which has a better chance?

Since Texas made almost 51 million last year in total TV rights, I'd say that if Texas decides to move the Big 12 is history first, but if Texas decides to stay and Oklahoma does as well out of fear of alienating Bevo the way the Aggies did, that the Big 12 could dig in like a tick because the other 8 won't do a danged thing, even in 2024-5. Nobody wants any of the rest without Texas or Oklahoma and that includes Kansas.

If key AAU schools in the PAC want to move together to the Big 10 and form a division I suppose it's possible, but not likely due to travel in minor sports.

So, my guess is that both could stand pat for quite some time.

However, if the PAC tosses in with ESPN for Network carriage and management then it is quite possible since ESPN controls Texas until 2035 through the LHN that ESPN could sanction and orchestrate a mass move of Big 12 product to the PAC.

So it is this last scenario that has the highest degree of likelihood to happen.

And this is why I just can't get into the idea that Nebraska would consider going back to the Big 12. They should learn the last time when it was thought that UT, et al, would leave them and Mizzou behind in a diminished conference. Someone at another board said that the PAC had expansion models that included Colorado and Texas, Colorado and Utah and then a six-team scenario that included UT, OU, CU, A&M and TT. I suppose if the PAC shows interest in bringing along NU, KU and OU then maybe it can happen. But I would hold on to the safety and security of the Big Ten before anything else right now.

(10-19-2017 12:34 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 12:02 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  Since Texas made almost 51 million last year in total TV rights, I'd say that if Texas decides to move the Big 12 is history first, but if Texas decides to stay and Oklahoma does as well out of fear of alienating Bevo the way the Aggies did, that the Big 12 could dig in like a tick because the other 8 won't do a danged thing, even in 2024-5. Nobody wants any of the rest without Texas or Oklahoma and that includes Kansas.

If key AAU schools in the PAC want to move together to the Big 10 and form a division I suppose it's possible, but not likely due to travel in minor sports.

So, my guess is that both could stand pat for quite some time.

However, if the PAC tosses in with ESPN for Network carriage and management then it is quite possible since ESPN controls Texas until 2035 through the LHN that ESPN could sanction and orchestrate a mass move of Big 12 product to the PAC.

So it is this last scenario that has the highest degree of likelihood to happen.

And this is why I just can't get into the idea that Nebraska would consider going back to the Big 12. They should learn the last time when it was thought that UT, et al, would leave them and Mizzou behind in a diminished conference. Someone at another board said that the PAC had expansion models that included Colorado and Texas, Colorado and Utah and then a six-team scenario that included UT, OU, CU, A&M and TT. I suppose if the PAC shows interest in bringing along NU, KU and OU then maybe it can happen. But I would hold on to the safety and security of the Big Ten before anything else right now.

I think this about right. It's also why I think we head to a P3 and add a 4th power conference of essentially AAC school plus the remnants. I could see a merger minus a few of the Big 12 and PAC. I can see the SEC and Big 10 taking enough out of the ACC to kill it off. But the easiest way to keep enough wins on the schedule without playing FCS and lower tier programs is promote the AAC. Now we don't beat each other up so badly and the Baylors and B.C.'s of the world don't have a case to sue for being left behind.

I really don't see the SEC or Big 10 losing members. I think that we will both be patient and let time and monetary disparity do their work and then take who we wish as long as we both aren't going after the same programs.

(10-19-2017 08:13 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 10:37 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 07:28 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 12:34 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 12:02 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  I'll tell you this: each subsequent realignment scenario you've put out has been more interesting than the previous. In a way, I like this better than your idea of a P3 consisting of 20 each. The obvious question is how much would the fourth new conference would generate in the open market. I'm not sure West Virginia would leave the Big 12 in the case of them adding programs in the plains and West. The fourth conference would have to generate revenues that would be nearly comparable to what the other three would receive and then it's a matter of whether it's worth it for them to be in a more regional division.

All tiers of rights the 4th conference would have to make 35 total to be viable. So they essentially get paid whatever the Big 12 was making.

It does yield some nice groupings for the Big 10 & SEC. And the Big 12 makes some sense too.

But as far as West Virginia is concerned being in a P4 is better than watching the Big 12 implode with nowhere else to go.

Plus OOC games with this conference would help to balance things record wise and if their champ got in every year the access would also be a reward.

At 35 even Miami makes more. When you figure travel you have 4 divisional games all within your area. If you play 2 schools from each of the other divisions on a rotating basis that's 10 games. Any body you want to play as a permanent rival would count as an OOC game in years when they weren't in the rotation and those games out of the rotation wouldn't count in conference standings.

The other issue is would the Big 12 make the internal changes needed to be an attractive home for several programs in the future. It's one thing to say that the solution is to bring in some big name programs the other thing is to make yourselves an attractive option for programs who might want to switch. I'm not sure the current set-up of having a combined top-two tier and individualized third-tier media contracts is the future. Money won't grow for eternity and the name of the game is exposure, especially exposure to alumni living across the country and even outside. That is what makes streaming an attractive proposition. The LHN would have to be dealt with sooner or later. Why wouldn't UT want to increase exposure for their programs when football isn't in season? Then there's Oklahoma, where a good part of their fans is constantly unhappy and would take any spot elsewhere except the ACC. Can they be persuaded that they can see an improved Big 12 with better exposure and great stability?

If you have to wager between the Pac 12 and Big 12 surviving the next round which has a better chance?

Since Texas made almost 51 million last year in total TV rights, I'd say that if Texas decides to move the Big 12 is history first, but if Texas decides to stay and Oklahoma does as well out of fear of alienating Bevo the way the Aggies did, that the Big 12 could dig in like a tick because the other 8 won't do a danged thing, even in 2024-5. Nobody wants any of the rest without Texas or Oklahoma and that includes Kansas.

If key AAU schools in the PAC want to move together to the Big 10 and form a division I suppose it's possible, but not likely due to travel in minor sports.

So, my guess is that both could stand pat for quite some time.

However, if the PAC tosses in with ESPN for Network carriage and management then it is quite possible since ESPN controls Texas until 2035 through the LHN that ESPN could sanction and orchestrate a mass move of Big 12 product to the PAC.

So it is this last scenario that has the highest degree of likelihood to happen.

And this is why I just can't get into the idea that Nebraska would consider going back to the Big 12. They should learn the last time when it was thought that UT, et al, would leave them and Mizzou behind in a diminished conference. Someone at another board said that the PAC had expansion models that included Colorado and Texas, Colorado and Utah and then a six-team scenario that included UT, OU, CU, A&M and TT. I suppose if the PAC shows interest in bringing along NU, KU and OU then maybe it can happen. But I would hold on to the safety and security of the Big Ten before anything else right now.

If attendance and donations fall off, then I think Nebraska would be interested in moving back it the Big 12 under the correct conditions; like yearly games against OU, a committed UT to the conference under their new management, and return to playing rivals.

Ideally, Nebraska could replace a departing WVU or an expelled Baylor in the ten team conference.

(10-18-2017 01:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Didn't Old Blue & Gold stop their shenanigans there?

I believe they did....

Dude was going on and on today about how Arkansas would consider moving to the Big 12 if the conditions were right.

I've decided that Dude is an entertainer. It's like he's trying out for a radio show or something, but can't get off the freak show circuit. By golly, if only he could get his big break...

(10-21-2017 12:24 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Dude was going on and on today about how Arkansas would consider moving to the Big 12 if the conditions were right.

I've decided that Dude is an entertainer. It's like he's trying out for a radio show or something, but can't get off the freak show circuit. By golly, if only he could get his big break...

If conditions were right? Well what would that be? The Big 12 raids the ACC for Florida State, Georgia Tech, & Clemson, and they get Missouri and Nebraska back and then they are able to poach Arkansas? When Pigs Fly!!!

Oh an by the way they all earn 55 million because the network gods love them so much!

The only thing the Dude is going to break is the record for absurdity in fiction.