Tom won't work as an AD again.
I would look for him to start a consulting business much like Chuck Smrt.
Tom's incites into succession management would be worth whatever he chose to charge to business professionals.
CJ

It would be hilarious to see him run for mayor, he did say that he is staying in Louisville. I would vote for him.


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I would like to see Tom Run too. I would vote for him as well.
Maybe run against Mitch for the Senate...lol
CJ

(10-30-2017 02:42 PM)HRFlossY Wrote:  Will miss Tom, but count this Louisville fan as one who thinks "Cleaning House" was necessary.

I don't think he is hired anywhere else unless it's somewhere very small. I just think he retires and lives the rest of his day in colorado.
FLossY Out...

I agree with you 100%.

He is purchasing another home (though downsizing) in Louisville. His son still works for the University of Louisville. Local TV station interviewed him. Doug Proffit of Tobacco whistle blower fame asked the questions.

For those that want to clean house. Should we get rid of everyone in the Compliance Department? How about Kenny? Should all Athletic Department personnel be asked to look elsewhere?

After all, if this is about cleaning house............

Jmo but this was about getting rid of Tom Jurich, Rick Pitino and I'll stop there.
Let's at least acknowledge the obvious.

(10-28-2017 02:51 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(10-28-2017 12:16 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Except for a few, the BOT and Postel are the real villians here and need to go make Pizza with Papa John.

Would you put our new governor, Bevin, in that group to? He was the one who disbanded the original BOT & appointed this BOT.


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While Bevin has said some pretty stupid things ... I wouldn't put him in that group.

He inherited a BoT that was out-of-compliance with state law on two counts ... it did not have proper minority representation on it, and it did not represent the balance of major political parties on it. Former governor Beshear used the U of L BoT as a fundraising arm of the local democratic party, basically selling seats to the highest bidders. It's dysfunction at the end became obvious, as these folks tried to use their position on the BoT to maneuver U of L out of the way of their personal business interests in the city. A total cluster fudge.

So Bevin had to act in some way, to try and correct both of these illegalities. How he went about it, well ... that's a whole 'nother story. It probably could have been handled better.

The most unfortunate aspect of the new BoT was when Junior Bridgeman stepped down, so he could focus his energies on transitioning from his crazy lucrative restaurant business, to being the owner of a Coca Cola Distributor in Kansas City. Having him on this BoT would have been much more reassuring through all this turmoil. This not only removed a prominent, African American businessman from the BoT, but a former student athlete, who understands that aspect of higher education. It also removed the Head of the new BoT, opening the door for Grissom to take over, and the jury is still out on him.

Jimmy B speaks out in support of Pitino and Jurich. Thinks both got a raw deal :

link

And that is how you do it folks. Thank you for providing a reasonable explanation for an exit. It ain’t that hard.

My only beef is Bevin let UofL to hang. I see Bevin much like Vince. Great guy with some solid ideas that were chosen. They weren’t part of the demise, perhaps willful non participants, but want to be considered part of the solution. Bevin can give two craps about UofL and willing to sacrifice it for “The State”

Vince is totally innocent but certain people knew he could be “called on”.

Again jmo looking at the landscape of the local media.

(11-01-2017 11:53 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(10-28-2017 02:51 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(10-28-2017 12:16 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Except for a few, the BOT and Postel are the real villians here and need to go make Pizza with Papa John.

Would you put our new governor, Bevin, in that group to? He was the one who disbanded the original BOT & appointed this BOT.


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While Bevin has said some pretty stupid things ... I wouldn't put him in that group.

He inherited a BoT that was out-of-compliance with state law on two counts ... it did not have proper minority representation on it, and it did not represent the balance of major political parties on it. Former governor Beshear used the U of L BoT as a fundraising arm of the local democratic party, basically selling seats to the highest bidders. It's dysfunction at the end became obvious, as these folks tried to use their position on the BoT to maneuver U of L out of the way of their personal business interests in the city. A total cluster fudge.

So Bevin had to act in some way, to try and correct both of these illegalities. How he went about it, well ... that's a whole 'nother story. It probably could have been handled better.

The most unfortunate aspect of the new BoT was when Junior Bridgeman stepped down, so he could focus his energies on transitioning from his crazy lucrative restaurant business, to being the owner of a Coca Cola Distributor in Kansas City. Having him on this BoT would have been much more reassuring through all this turmoil. This not only removed a prominent, African American businessman from the BoT, but a former student athlete, who understands that aspect of higher education. It also removed the Head of the new BoT, opening the door for Grissom to take over, and the jury is still out on him.

Bevin appointed members to the BOT that serve his interests, is that much different than Beshear?


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(11-01-2017 12:16 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  Jimmy B speaks out in support of Pitino and Jurich. Thinks both got a raw deal :

link

I agree with JB, the mud slinging coming from the new "leadership" at the UofL is sickening. They are building a foundation for the future based on lies & half truths. It's a muddy foundation to move forward on. Moving forward in a different direction is good but let's do it with integrity & the right way. I think Papa is getting an ego larger than Trump.


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(11-02-2017 08:25 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 11:53 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(10-28-2017 02:51 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(10-28-2017 12:16 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Except for a few, the BOT and Postel are the real villians here and need to go make Pizza with Papa John.

Would you put our new governor, Bevin, in that group to? He was the one who disbanded the original BOT & appointed this BOT.


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While Bevin has said some pretty stupid things ... I wouldn't put him in that group.

He inherited a BoT that was out-of-compliance with state law on two counts ... it did not have proper minority representation on it, and it did not represent the balance of major political parties on it. Former governor Beshear used the U of L BoT as a fundraising arm of the local democratic party, basically selling seats to the highest bidders. It's dysfunction at the end became obvious, as these folks tried to use their position on the BoT to maneuver U of L out of the way of their personal business interests in the city. A total cluster fudge.

So Bevin had to act in some way, to try and correct both of these illegalities. How he went about it, well ... that's a whole 'nother story. It probably could have been handled better.

The most unfortunate aspect of the new BoT was when Junior Bridgeman stepped down, so he could focus his energies on transitioning from his crazy lucrative restaurant business, to being the owner of a Coca Cola Distributor in Kansas City. Having him on this BoT would have been much more reassuring through all this turmoil. This not only removed a prominent, African American businessman from the BoT, but a former student athlete, who understands that aspect of higher education. It also removed the Head of the new BoT, opening the door for Grissom to take over, and the jury is still out on him.

Bevin appointed members to the BOT that serve his interests, is that much different than Beshear?


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I'm not sure we know what Bevin's interests really are ...

But looking at his BoT, it's easy to see how different it is from Beshear's ...

First off, Bevin's BoT is made up of 5 Democrats, 3 Republicans, and 2 Independents. Beshear's BoT was 17 people, and had about the same number of Rep's as Bevin's board --- 3 --- out of 17.

Secondly, of Bevin's 3 Republican trustees, only one contributed to his campaign, and inauguration fund -- that being Papa John himself. One of his Republican appointees, Diane Medley, was a donor for Hal Heiner in the Republican primary, and then for Jack Conway in the general election for governor. It's truly hard to say that Diane Medley is a Bevin crony. (She was also one of the 3 NO votes regarding Tom Jurich's firing -- this woman is not afraid to stand up for what she believes in).

It just can't be compared, the difference between the 2 BoT's.

Beshear stacked the U of L BoT with his political supporters (all of whom contributed financially to either him, or the state democratic party, or both). He did the same at the other 2 largest universities in Kentucky (UK and KCTCS). At U of L this resulted in two areas of non-compliance with state law --- 1, the breakdown of the board by party, and 2, with proper minority representation. Beshear's BoT was illegal. Two times over ... absolutely no question about it.

(11-02-2017 07:21 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 08:25 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 11:53 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(10-28-2017 02:51 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(10-28-2017 12:16 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Except for a few, the BOT and Postel are the real villians here and need to go make Pizza with Papa John.

Would you put our new governor, Bevin, in that group to? He was the one who disbanded the original BOT & appointed this BOT.


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While Bevin has said some pretty stupid things ... I wouldn't put him in that group.

He inherited a BoT that was out-of-compliance with state law on two counts ... it did not have proper minority representation on it, and it did not represent the balance of major political parties on it. Former governor Beshear used the U of L BoT as a fundraising arm of the local democratic party, basically selling seats to the highest bidders. It's dysfunction at the end became obvious, as these folks tried to use their position on the BoT to maneuver U of L out of the way of their personal business interests in the city. A total cluster fudge.

So Bevin had to act in some way, to try and correct both of these illegalities. How he went about it, well ... that's a whole 'nother story. It probably could have been handled better.

The most unfortunate aspect of the new BoT was when Junior Bridgeman stepped down, so he could focus his energies on transitioning from his crazy lucrative restaurant business, to being the owner of a Coca Cola Distributor in Kansas City. Having him on this BoT would have been much more reassuring through all this turmoil. This not only removed a prominent, African American businessman from the BoT, but a former student athlete, who understands that aspect of higher education. It also removed the Head of the new BoT, opening the door for Grissom to take over, and the jury is still out on him.

Bevin appointed members to the BOT that serve his interests, is that much different than Beshear?


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I'm not sure we know what Bevin's interests really are ...

But looking at his BoT, it's easy to see how different it is from Beshear's ...

First off, Bevin's BoT is made up of 5 Democrats, 3 Republicans, and 2 Independents. Beshear's BoT was 17 people, and had about the same number of Rep's as Bevin's board --- 3 --- out of 17.

Secondly, of Bevin's 3 Republican trustees, only one contributed to his campaign, and inauguration fund -- that being Papa John himself. One of his Republican appointees, Diane Medley, was a donor for Hal Heiner in the Republican primary, and then for Jack Conway in the general election for governor. It's truly hard to say that Diane Medley is a Bevin crony. (She was also one of the 3 NO votes regarding Tom Jurich's firing -- this woman is not afraid to stand up for what she believes in).

It just can't be compared, the difference between the 2 BoT's.

Beshear stacked the U of L BoT with his political supporters (all of whom contributed financially to either him, or the state democratic party, or both). He did the same at the other 2 largest universities in Kentucky (UK and KCTCS). At U of L this resulted in two areas of non-compliance with state law --- 1, the breakdown of the board by party, and 2, with proper minority representation. Beshear's BoT was illegal. Two times over ... absolutely no question about it.

You don't have to be in the same political party to share an agenda. My biggest problems with this BOT is that, other than Papa, none of them have been major contributors to the UofL, at least athletically, with only 2 members I believe contributing more than $2000. They seem misinformed as partially evident by a question Rick said he was asked of him regarding 17 Level 1 violations, there aren't 17 Level 1 violations charged against the UofL. Another member who voted not to fire Jurich stated that he was just informed of the accomplishments & campus transformation that occurred under Jurich is another example. Now, as you pointed out, that we don't know Bevin agenda & that he might not have one here, but the agenda of this BOT was to redo the Yum deal & to fire Rick. Given Papa earlier public criticism of Jurich & the athletic department I would assume that he is a major driver in the actions of this BOT with Grissom taking the lead. Now I don't necessarily disagree with the actions of this board but I do find suspicions in the way they were done & how these decisions were seemingly made based on lies & misinformation. You don't sustain nearly 2 decades of aggressive growth with leadership that is lacking or invisible. I get an ominous tone from this BOT. I'm unsure of Bevins motives here & that's why I posed the question.


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(11-03-2017 07:38 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 07:21 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 08:25 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 11:53 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(10-28-2017 02:51 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Would you put our new governor, Bevin, in that group to? He was the one who disbanded the original BOT & appointed this BOT.


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While Bevin has said some pretty stupid things ... I wouldn't put him in that group.

He inherited a BoT that was out-of-compliance with state law on two counts ... it did not have proper minority representation on it, and it did not represent the balance of major political parties on it. Former governor Beshear used the U of L BoT as a fundraising arm of the local democratic party, basically selling seats to the highest bidders. It's dysfunction at the end became obvious, as these folks tried to use their position on the BoT to maneuver U of L out of the way of their personal business interests in the city. A total cluster fudge.

So Bevin had to act in some way, to try and correct both of these illegalities. How he went about it, well ... that's a whole 'nother story. It probably could have been handled better.

The most unfortunate aspect of the new BoT was when Junior Bridgeman stepped down, so he could focus his energies on transitioning from his crazy lucrative restaurant business, to being the owner of a Coca Cola Distributor in Kansas City. Having him on this BoT would have been much more reassuring through all this turmoil. This not only removed a prominent, African American businessman from the BoT, but a former student athlete, who understands that aspect of higher education. It also removed the Head of the new BoT, opening the door for Grissom to take over, and the jury is still out on him.

Bevin appointed members to the BOT that serve his interests, is that much different than Beshear?


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I'm not sure we know what Bevin's interests really are ...

But looking at his BoT, it's easy to see how different it is from Beshear's ...

First off, Bevin's BoT is made up of 5 Democrats, 3 Republicans, and 2 Independents. Beshear's BoT was 17 people, and had about the same number of Rep's as Bevin's board --- 3 --- out of 17.

Secondly, of Bevin's 3 Republican trustees, only one contributed to his campaign, and inauguration fund -- that being Papa John himself. One of his Republican appointees, Diane Medley, was a donor for Hal Heiner in the Republican primary, and then for Jack Conway in the general election for governor. It's truly hard to say that Diane Medley is a Bevin crony. (She was also one of the 3 NO votes regarding Tom Jurich's firing -- this woman is not afraid to stand up for what she believes in).

It just can't be compared, the difference between the 2 BoT's.

Beshear stacked the U of L BoT with his political supporters (all of whom contributed financially to either him, or the state democratic party, or both). He did the same at the other 2 largest universities in Kentucky (UK and KCTCS). At U of L this resulted in two areas of non-compliance with state law --- 1, the breakdown of the board by party, and 2, with proper minority representation. Beshear's BoT was illegal. Two times over ... absolutely no question about it.

You don't have to be in the same political party to share an agenda. My biggest problems with this BOT is that, other than Papa, none of them have been major contributors to the UofL, at least athletically, with only 2 members I believe contributing more than $2000. They seem misinformed as partially evident by a question Rick said he was asked of him regarding 17 Level 1 violations, there aren't 17 Level 1 violations charged against the UofL. Another member who voted not to fire Jurich stated that he was just informed of the accomplishments & campus transformation that occurred under Jurich is another example. Now, as you pointed out, that we don't know Bevin agenda & that he might not have one here, but the agenda of this BOT was to redo the Yum deal & to fire Rick. Given Papa earlier public criticism of Jurich & the athletic department I would assume that he is a major driver in the actions of this BOT with Grissom taking the lead. Now I don't necessarily disagree with the actions of this board but I do find suspicions in the way they were done & how these decisions were seemingly made based on lies & misinformation. You don't sustain nearly 2 decades of aggressive growth with leadership that is lacking or invisible. I get an ominous tone from this BOT. I'm unsure of Bevins motives here & that's why I posed the question.


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Tom Jurich had always put UofL first. I don’t see that from Bevin or the BoT or POStel.

(11-03-2017 07:38 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 07:21 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  [quote='Lenvillecards' pid='14737316' dateline='1509629107']
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You don't have to be in the same political party to share an agenda. My biggest problems with this BOT is that, other than Papa, none of them have been major contributors to the UofL, at least athletically, with only 2 members I believe contributing more than $2000. They seem misinformed as partially evident by a question Rick said he was asked of him regarding 17 Level 1 violations, there aren't 17 Level 1 violations charged against the UofL. Another member who voted not to fire Jurich stated that he was just informed of the accomplishments & campus transformation that occurred under Jurich is another example. Now, as you pointed out, that we don't know Bevin agenda & that he might not have one here, but the agenda of this BOT was to redo the Yum deal & to fire Rick. Given Papa earlier public criticism of Jurich & the athletic department I would assume that he is a major driver in the actions of this BOT with Grissom taking the lead. Now I don't necessarily disagree with the actions of this board but I do find suspicions in the way they were done & how these decisions were seemingly made based on lies & misinformation. You don't sustain nearly 2 decades of aggressive growth with leadership that is lacking or invisible. I get an ominous tone from this BOT. I'm unsure of Bevins motives here & that's why I posed the question.


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Yeah ... can't argue with what you posted.

This BoT certainly has some elements that were closed minded to things. I think in the end it will cost the University a chunk of change.

And in general ... ANYONE that gets appointed to ANY board that has a charitable aspect to it should be REQUIRED to personally support that organization financially. And significantly. Because at some point, when fund raising from others, it gets REAL awkward when those who are board members, aren't themselves serious donors.

As much as Papa John annoys me, at LEAST he's ponied up some significant cash to the school. Others on that board are quite capable of doing the same. It should be pretty embarrassing for them ... hopefully that pushes them to open their checkbook.

As far as Bevin goes ... I think he has much bigger worries ... the $40 BILLION pension debt is WAY more pressing to him than this U of L board stuff. His ability to get re-elected hinges on how this pension thing goes forward. Its a SERIOUS mess, that has been kicked down the road from one governor to the next for far too long. And ... while I am not a fan of the governor ... I give him some credit for at least trying to do something with this.

This is a difficult period of transition for U of L for sure.

I hope like hell we find ourselves with a new president, and a new AD, and a board that is financially committed to the school too.

Tennessee? They just fired their AD for the train wreck of a coaching search.


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(12-01-2017 04:32 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Tennessee? They just fired their AD for the train wreck of a coaching search.


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Phil Fulmer interim AD for the next TWO years. Odd to give him 2 years. He's probably angling to make that permanent.

(12-01-2017 06:31 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 04:32 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Tennessee? They just fired their AD for the train wreck of a coaching search.


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Phil Fulmer interim AD for the next TWO years. Odd to give him 2 years. He's probably angling to make that permanent.

Nobody at the train wreck called UT has job security. Anything is possible there other than a high quality hire. This should make each of us to be happy to support whichever team we support because none of us is a fan of a school with as screwed up an athletic program as UT, not even Louisville.