If Frost signs the $3.5 million deal currently being presented, then he is likely staying. No income tax state. A school would then be forced to go to the $4 million + range and buyout current coach and buyout Frost.

(10-24-2017 07:35 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  If Frost signs the $3.5 million deal currently being presented, then he is likely staying. No income tax state. A school would then be forced to go to the $4 million + range and buyout current coach and buyout Frost.

I'm not sure that UCF can afford $3.5M yet.

If a school wants Frost, they are going to have to double what he is making now ($2M) plus be a school that has a competitive in conference advantages, like UCF. It's dumb to leave UCF otherwise.

For sure these coaches don't think like I do but I don't understand at all the supposed allure of Ole Miss, AR, UTK, NE, MO, etc. To win today at these schools is very, very difficult - maybe impossible. These schools are delusional, living in their sometimes glorious past that will likely never return. Look at Barry Odom at Missouri. Without question he will be gone at the end of this season or the next. And he is NOT set for life financially, so he'll be looking for a DC job somewhere & likely NEVER be a HC candidate again. He could have been the HC at Memphis & successful - and waited for a lifetime job somewhere (yes I know he is a MO grad). That to say Scott Frost is in a similar position. NE grad but NE is now a dumpster fire, like MO. And he lives in sunny FL, winning big in the AAC, making good money where he can continue to win big. Same for Norvell. Unless its AL, UGA & maybe Auburn or LSU, it is much more difficult to win big in the SEC than in the AAC. Yet if you get the big $$$ to coach in the SEC then you better win big in 3-4 yrs or you are gone, same for NE in the B1G. 75% of the P5 jobs are dead-end, career ending jobs & much tougher to win big than as a HC in the AAC. Gary Patterson understood that & stayed at TCU - now look where both he & TCU are. If these sought after AAC coaches can repress their egos, & make long term career decisions, they will stay put, win big & wait on those premier jobs or enjoy life winning where they are now.

(10-24-2017 07:52 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 07:35 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  If Frost signs the $3.5 million deal currently being presented, then he is likely staying. No income tax state. A school would then be forced to go to the $4 million + range and buyout current coach and buyout Frost.

I'm not sure that UCF can afford $3.5M yet.

If a school wants Frost, they are going to have to double what he is making now ($2M) plus be a school that has a competitive in conference advantages, like UCF. It's dumb to leave UCF otherwise.

Sure we can....budget is over $60 million. I would top out the salary in the $3.5 million range. If he leaves, we get a large check. We should get decent coaches over $2 million.

(10-24-2017 07:59 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  For sure these coaches don't think like I do but I don't understand at all the supposed allure of Ole Miss, AR, UTK, NE, MO, etc. To win today at these schools is very, very difficult - maybe impossible. These schools are delusional, living in their sometimes glorious past that will likely never return. Look at Barry Odom at Missouri. Without question he will be gone at the end of this season or the next. And he is NOT set for life financially, so he'll be looking for a DC job somewhere & likely NEVER be a HC candidate again. He could have been the HC at Memphis & successful - and waited for a lifetime job somewhere (yes I know he is a MO grad). That to say Scott Frost is in a similar position. NE grad but NE is now a dumpster fire, like MO. And he lives in sunny FL, winning big in the AAC, making good money where he can continue to win big. Same for Norvell. Unless its AL, UGA & maybe Auburn or LSU, it is much more difficult to win big in the SEC than in the AAC. Yet if you get the big $$$ to coach in the SEC then you better win big in 3-4 yrs or you are gone, same for NE in the B1G. 75% of the P5 jobs are dead-end, career ending jobs & much tougher to win big than as a HC in the AAC. Gary Patterson understood that & stayed at TCU - now look where both he & TCU are. If these sought after AAC coaches can repress their egos, & make long term career decisions, they will stay put, win big & wait on those premier jobs or enjoy life winning where they are now.

I understand it for some coaches like Matt Rhule. He peaked last year with a senior led team and would be in for a rebuild. Same with PJ Fleck and Dino Babers, you got to get out when you can at some schools. I think Justin Fuente was similar, his stock was high so he cashed out. Mike Norvell is in a better spot than Fuente with more of a commitment from Memphis but I still think that he leaves because he could win 10-11 games this year and next year is a rebuild. That means if he doesn't leave this year, it'll be another 2+ years in Memphis. Frost has his entire team coming back and was expected to compete next year, so he doesn't necessarily have to jump at the big contract yet.

(10-24-2017 08:09 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 07:59 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  For sure these coaches don't think like I do but I don't understand at all the supposed allure of Ole Miss, AR, UTK, NE, MO, etc. To win today at these schools is very, very difficult - maybe impossible. These schools are delusional, living in their sometimes glorious past that will likely never return. Look at Barry Odom at Missouri. Without question he will be gone at the end of this season or the next. And he is NOT set for life financially, so he'll be looking for a DC job somewhere & likely NEVER be a HC candidate again. He could have been the HC at Memphis & successful - and waited for a lifetime job somewhere (yes I know he is a MO grad). That to say Scott Frost is in a similar position. NE grad but NE is now a dumpster fire, like MO. And he lives in sunny FL, winning big in the AAC, making good money where he can continue to win big. Same for Norvell. Unless its AL, UGA & maybe Auburn or LSU, it is much more difficult to win big in the SEC than in the AAC. Yet if you get the big $$$ to coach in the SEC then you better win big in 3-4 yrs or you are gone, same for NE in the B1G. 75% of the P5 jobs are dead-end, career ending jobs & much tougher to win big than as a HC in the AAC. Gary Patterson understood that & stayed at TCU - now look where both he & TCU are. If these sought after AAC coaches can repress their egos, & make long term career decisions, they will stay put, win big & wait on those premier jobs or enjoy life winning where they are now.

I understand it for some coaches like Matt Rhule. He peaked last year with a senior led team and would be in for a rebuild. Same with PJ Fleck and Dino Babers, you got to get out when you can at some schools. I think Justin Fuente was similar, his stock was high so he cashed out. Mike Norvell is in a better spot than Fuente with more of a commitment from Memphis but I still think that he leaves because he could win 10-11 games this year and next year is a rebuild. That means if he doesn't leave this year, it'll be another 2+ years in Memphis. Frost has his entire team coming back and was expected to compete next year, so he doesn't necessarily have to jump at the big contract yet.

Understand your examples but think they are much tougher places to consistently win big, even in the G4/AAC. Not the same as UCF or even Memphis which has a great recruiting area & pays well. And next year won't be a rebuilding year at Memphis as in times past, Fuente recruited OK, Norvell very well & has a lot of young talent on the team - even guys red-shirted that are better than the 1st team when Fuente arrived. Replacing Ferguson will be tough, but good running backs, good receivers back & some real players on the D back. I like Memphis next year. But back to the logic, jump for an extra 3-4M to a dead-end job, crazy really - IMO, not a good career decision.

(10-24-2017 05:10 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 04:43 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(10-23-2017 09:56 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-23-2017 09:30 PM)fanhood Wrote:  Barring Moos giving Riley, one more year, Frost will be the HC at Nebraska next year.

Norvell? He doesn't need to rush anything. Would need to be the right fit.

Nebraska is too cheap to pay Frost. Riley makes $2.7M and just signed an extension last month. Currently they are paying 2 fired coaches $4.5M. Frost will make $2.3-2.7 next year, why would he take a job that is more than twice as hard for a small pay increase?

With coaches is not just about pay it’s about ego and competing at the top. Whether we like it or not at UCF or USF a coach is out of playoffs. If Frost was 6-0 at Nebraska they would be top 10 right now and if you think they won’t pay more than UCF does for him you are fooling yourself.
I’m not saying he will go to Nebraska but he will have some nice high paying jobs to offer him and if you think a coach like him is afraid of going head to head with Saban or Urban then you really don’t understand a coaches mentality

I agree with you that Nebraska will pay more than UCF for Frost but how much more? Nebraska is more than twice as hard of a job than UCF, will Nebraska pay twice as much as UCF? No.

Dude, Nebraska > UCF, like a million times over. If they want Frost, he is gone. And just so you don't think I'm bagging on UCF, every program in the AAC is in the same boat when it comes to retaining successful coaches.

(10-24-2017 08:18 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 08:09 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 07:59 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  For sure these coaches don't think like I do but I don't understand at all the supposed allure of Ole Miss, AR, UTK, NE, MO, etc. To win today at these schools is very, very difficult - maybe impossible. These schools are delusional, living in their sometimes glorious past that will likely never return. Look at Barry Odom at Missouri. Without question he will be gone at the end of this season or the next. And he is NOT set for life financially, so he'll be looking for a DC job somewhere & likely NEVER be a HC candidate again. He could have been the HC at Memphis & successful - and waited for a lifetime job somewhere (yes I know he is a MO grad). That to say Scott Frost is in a similar position. NE grad but NE is now a dumpster fire, like MO. And he lives in sunny FL, winning big in the AAC, making good money where he can continue to win big. Same for Norvell. Unless its AL, UGA & maybe Auburn or LSU, it is much more difficult to win big in the SEC than in the AAC. Yet if you get the big $$$ to coach in the SEC then you better win big in 3-4 yrs or you are gone, same for NE in the B1G. 75% of the P5 jobs are dead-end, career ending jobs & much tougher to win big than as a HC in the AAC. Gary Patterson understood that & stayed at TCU - now look where both he & TCU are. If these sought after AAC coaches can repress their egos, & make long term career decisions, they will stay put, win big & wait on those premier jobs or enjoy life winning where they are now.

I understand it for some coaches like Matt Rhule. He peaked last year with a senior led team and would be in for a rebuild. Same with PJ Fleck and Dino Babers, you got to get out when you can at some schools. I think Justin Fuente was similar, his stock was high so he cashed out. Mike Norvell is in a better spot than Fuente with more of a commitment from Memphis but I still think that he leaves because he could win 10-11 games this year and next year is a rebuild. That means if he doesn't leave this year, it'll be another 2+ years in Memphis. Frost has his entire team coming back and was expected to compete next year, so he doesn't necessarily have to jump at the big contract yet.

Understand your examples but think they are much tougher places to consistently win big, even in the G4/AAC. Not the same as UCF or even Memphis which has a great recruiting area & pays well. And next year won't be a rebuilding year at Memphis as in times past, Fuente recruited OK, Norvell very well & has a lot of young talent on the team - even guys red-shirted that are better than the 1st team when Fuente arrived. Replacing Ferguson will be tough, but good running backs, good receivers back & some real players on the D back. I like Memphis next year. But back to the logic, jump for an extra 3-4M to a dead-end job, crazy really - IMO, not a good career decision.

Nebraska is not a "dead end job." They are a good coach way from winning the B1G West every year.

(10-24-2017 08:25 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 08:18 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 08:09 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 07:59 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  For sure these coaches don't think like I do but I don't understand at all the supposed allure of Ole Miss, AR, UTK, NE, MO, etc. To win today at these schools is very, very difficult - maybe impossible. These schools are delusional, living in their sometimes glorious past that will likely never return. Look at Barry Odom at Missouri. Without question he will be gone at the end of this season or the next. And he is NOT set for life financially, so he'll be looking for a DC job somewhere & likely NEVER be a HC candidate again. He could have been the HC at Memphis & successful - and waited for a lifetime job somewhere (yes I know he is a MO grad). That to say Scott Frost is in a similar position. NE grad but NE is now a dumpster fire, like MO. And he lives in sunny FL, winning big in the AAC, making good money where he can continue to win big. Same for Norvell. Unless its AL, UGA & maybe Auburn or LSU, it is much more difficult to win big in the SEC than in the AAC. Yet if you get the big $$$ to coach in the SEC then you better win big in 3-4 yrs or you are gone, same for NE in the B1G. 75% of the P5 jobs are dead-end, career ending jobs & much tougher to win big than as a HC in the AAC. Gary Patterson understood that & stayed at TCU - now look where both he & TCU are. If these sought after AAC coaches can repress their egos, & make long term career decisions, they will stay put, win big & wait on those premier jobs or enjoy life winning where they are now.

I understand it for some coaches like Matt Rhule. He peaked last year with a senior led team and would be in for a rebuild. Same with PJ Fleck and Dino Babers, you got to get out when you can at some schools. I think Justin Fuente was similar, his stock was high so he cashed out. Mike Norvell is in a better spot than Fuente with more of a commitment from Memphis but I still think that he leaves because he could win 10-11 games this year and next year is a rebuild. That means if he doesn't leave this year, it'll be another 2+ years in Memphis. Frost has his entire team coming back and was expected to compete next year, so he doesn't necessarily have to jump at the big contract yet.

Understand your examples but think they are much tougher places to consistently win big, even in the G4/AAC. Not the same as UCF or even Memphis which has a great recruiting area & pays well. And next year won't be a rebuilding year at Memphis as in times past, Fuente recruited OK, Norvell very well & has a lot of young talent on the team - even guys red-shirted that are better than the 1st team when Fuente arrived. Replacing Ferguson will be tough, but good running backs, good receivers back & some real players on the D back. I like Memphis next year. But back to the logic, jump for an extra 3-4M to a dead-end job, crazy really - IMO, not a good career decision.

Nebraska is not a "dead end job." They are a good coach way from winning the B1G West every year.

Yep. And returning the to the Top 10 and competing for national championships.

(10-24-2017 08:25 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 05:10 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 04:43 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(10-23-2017 09:56 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-23-2017 09:30 PM)fanhood Wrote:  Barring Moos giving Riley, one more year, Frost will be the HC at Nebraska next year.

Norvell? He doesn't need to rush anything. Would need to be the right fit.

Nebraska is too cheap to pay Frost. Riley makes $2.7M and just signed an extension last month. Currently they are paying 2 fired coaches $4.5M. Frost will make $2.3-2.7 next year, why would he take a job that is more than twice as hard for a small pay increase?

With coaches is not just about pay it’s about ego and competing at the top. Whether we like it or not at UCF or USF a coach is out of playoffs. If Frost was 6-0 at Nebraska they would be top 10 right now and if you think they won’t pay more than UCF does for him you are fooling yourself.
I’m not saying he will go to Nebraska but he will have some nice high paying jobs to offer him and if you think a coach like him is afraid of going head to head with Saban or Urban then you really don’t understand a coaches mentality

I agree with you that Nebraska will pay more than UCF for Frost but how much more? Nebraska is more than twice as hard of a job than UCF, will Nebraska pay twice as much as UCF? No.

Dude, Nebraska > UCF, like a million times over. If they want Frost, he is gone. And just so you don't think I'm bagging on UCF, every program in the AAC is in the same boat when it comes to retaining successful coaches.

Not saying he wouldn't go, but if he accepts the $3.5 million the money wouldn't be the reason. He also has a new born and a super deep team returning. Who knows....

(10-24-2017 08:33 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 08:25 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 08:18 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 08:09 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 07:59 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  For sure these coaches don't think like I do but I don't understand at all the supposed allure of Ole Miss, AR, UTK, NE, MO, etc. To win today at these schools is very, very difficult - maybe impossible. These schools are delusional, living in their sometimes glorious past that will likely never return. Look at Barry Odom at Missouri. Without question he will be gone at the end of this season or the next. And he is NOT set for life financially, so he'll be looking for a DC job somewhere & likely NEVER be a HC candidate again. He could have been the HC at Memphis & successful - and waited for a lifetime job somewhere (yes I know he is a MO grad). That to say Scott Frost is in a similar position. NE grad but NE is now a dumpster fire, like MO. And he lives in sunny FL, winning big in the AAC, making good money where he can continue to win big. Same for Norvell. Unless its AL, UGA & maybe Auburn or LSU, it is much more difficult to win big in the SEC than in the AAC. Yet if you get the big $$$ to coach in the SEC then you better win big in 3-4 yrs or you are gone, same for NE in the B1G. 75% of the P5 jobs are dead-end, career ending jobs & much tougher to win big than as a HC in the AAC. Gary Patterson understood that & stayed at TCU - now look where both he & TCU are. If these sought after AAC coaches can repress their egos, & make long term career decisions, they will stay put, win big & wait on those premier jobs or enjoy life winning where they are now.

I understand it for some coaches like Matt Rhule. He peaked last year with a senior led team and would be in for a rebuild. Same with PJ Fleck and Dino Babers, you got to get out when you can at some schools. I think Justin Fuente was similar, his stock was high so he cashed out. Mike Norvell is in a better spot than Fuente with more of a commitment from Memphis but I still think that he leaves because he could win 10-11 games this year and next year is a rebuild. That means if he doesn't leave this year, it'll be another 2+ years in Memphis. Frost has his entire team coming back and was expected to compete next year, so he doesn't necessarily have to jump at the big contract yet.

Understand your examples but think they are much tougher places to consistently win big, even in the G4/AAC. Not the same as UCF or even Memphis which has a great recruiting area & pays well. And next year won't be a rebuilding year at Memphis as in times past, Fuente recruited OK, Norvell very well & has a lot of young talent on the team - even guys red-shirted that are better than the 1st team when Fuente arrived. Replacing Ferguson will be tough, but good running backs, good receivers back & some real players on the D back. I like Memphis next year. But back to the logic, jump for an extra 3-4M to a dead-end job, crazy really - IMO, not a good career decision.

Nebraska is not a "dead end job." They are a good coach way from winning the B1G West every year.

Yep. And returning the to the Top 10 and competing for national championships.

He likely has a top 10 team next year at ucf. Almost everyone is returning.

(10-24-2017 08:25 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 08:18 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 08:09 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 07:59 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  For sure these coaches don't think like I do but I don't understand at all the supposed allure of Ole Miss, AR, UTK, NE, MO, etc. To win today at these schools is very, very difficult - maybe impossible. These schools are delusional, living in their sometimes glorious past that will likely never return. Look at Barry Odom at Missouri. Without question he will be gone at the end of this season or the next. And he is NOT set for life financially, so he'll be looking for a DC job somewhere & likely NEVER be a HC candidate again. He could have been the HC at Memphis & successful - and waited for a lifetime job somewhere (yes I know he is a MO grad). That to say Scott Frost is in a similar position. NE grad but NE is now a dumpster fire, like MO. And he lives in sunny FL, winning big in the AAC, making good money where he can continue to win big. Same for Norvell. Unless its AL, UGA & maybe Auburn or LSU, it is much more difficult to win big in the SEC than in the AAC. Yet if you get the big $$$ to coach in the SEC then you better win big in 3-4 yrs or you are gone, same for NE in the B1G. 75% of the P5 jobs are dead-end, career ending jobs & much tougher to win big than as a HC in the AAC. Gary Patterson understood that & stayed at TCU - now look where both he & TCU are. If these sought after AAC coaches can repress their egos, & make long term career decisions, they will stay put, win big & wait on those premier jobs or enjoy life winning where they are now.

I understand it for some coaches like Matt Rhule. He peaked last year with a senior led team and would be in for a rebuild. Same with PJ Fleck and Dino Babers, you got to get out when you can at some schools. I think Justin Fuente was similar, his stock was high so he cashed out. Mike Norvell is in a better spot than Fuente with more of a commitment from Memphis but I still think that he leaves because he could win 10-11 games this year and next year is a rebuild. That means if he doesn't leave this year, it'll be another 2+ years in Memphis. Frost has his entire team coming back and was expected to compete next year, so he doesn't necessarily have to jump at the big contract yet.

Understand your examples but think they are much tougher places to consistently win big, even in the G4/AAC. Not the same as UCF or even Memphis which has a great recruiting area & pays well. And next year won't be a rebuilding year at Memphis as in times past, Fuente recruited OK, Norvell very well & has a lot of young talent on the team - even guys red-shirted that are better than the 1st team when Fuente arrived. Replacing Ferguson will be tough, but good running backs, good receivers back & some real players on the D back. I like Memphis next year. But back to the logic, jump for an extra 3-4M to a dead-end job, crazy really - IMO, not a good career decision.

Nebraska is not a "dead end job." They are a good coach way from winning the B1G West every year.

Hasn't won the B1G west ever (did win the Legends but lost to WI) & will likely never win the B1G title. WI seems consistently the west best (which is very weak). This is not what I'd call winning big. If Frosh wants to never win a title again & get eventually fired, then NE might be a good job, but not my idea of a great opportunity - JMO.

The Florida job might be opening too. That is a job that you can line up 4 and 5 star talent.

(10-24-2017 08:34 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 08:33 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 08:25 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 08:18 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 08:09 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I understand it for some coaches like Matt Rhule. He peaked last year with a senior led team and would be in for a rebuild. Same with PJ Fleck and Dino Babers, you got to get out when you can at some schools. I think Justin Fuente was similar, his stock was high so he cashed out. Mike Norvell is in a better spot than Fuente with more of a commitment from Memphis but I still think that he leaves because he could win 10-11 games this year and next year is a rebuild. That means if he doesn't leave this year, it'll be another 2+ years in Memphis. Frost has his entire team coming back and was expected to compete next year, so he doesn't necessarily have to jump at the big contract yet.

Understand your examples but think they are much tougher places to consistently win big, even in the G4/AAC. Not the same as UCF or even Memphis which has a great recruiting area & pays well. And next year won't be a rebuilding year at Memphis as in times past, Fuente recruited OK, Norvell very well & has a lot of young talent on the team - even guys red-shirted that are better than the 1st team when Fuente arrived. Replacing Ferguson will be tough, but good running backs, good receivers back & some real players on the D back. I like Memphis next year. But back to the logic, jump for an extra 3-4M to a dead-end job, crazy really - IMO, not a good career decision.

Nebraska is not a "dead end job." They are a good coach way from winning the B1G West every year.

Yep. And returning the to the Top 10 and competing for national championships.

He likely has a top 10 team next year at ucf. Almost everyone is returning.

And.... he isn’t turning down his alma mater

(10-24-2017 08:34 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 08:33 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 08:25 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 08:18 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 08:09 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I understand it for some coaches like Matt Rhule. He peaked last year with a senior led team and would be in for a rebuild. Same with PJ Fleck and Dino Babers, you got to get out when you can at some schools. I think Justin Fuente was similar, his stock was high so he cashed out. Mike Norvell is in a better spot than Fuente with more of a commitment from Memphis but I still think that he leaves because he could win 10-11 games this year and next year is a rebuild. That means if he doesn't leave this year, it'll be another 2+ years in Memphis. Frost has his entire team coming back and was expected to compete next year, so he doesn't necessarily have to jump at the big contract yet.

Understand your examples but think they are much tougher places to consistently win big, even in the G4/AAC. Not the same as UCF or even Memphis which has a great recruiting area & pays well. And next year won't be a rebuilding year at Memphis as in times past, Fuente recruited OK, Norvell very well & has a lot of young talent on the team - even guys red-shirted that are better than the 1st team when Fuente arrived. Replacing Ferguson will be tough, but good running backs, good receivers back & some real players on the D back. I like Memphis next year. But back to the logic, jump for an extra 3-4M to a dead-end job, crazy really - IMO, not a good career decision.

Nebraska is not a "dead end job." They are a good coach way from winning the B1G West every year.

Yep. And returning the to the Top 10 and competing for national championships.

He likely has a top 10 team next year at ucf. Almost everyone is returning.

And he will still be denied an opportunity to play for a national championship because no team from the AAC will ever be selected for the playoffs with the current 4-team format.

Like most coaches, Frost will coach wherever will make Mrs. Frost happy (especially now they have a baby on the way).

(10-24-2017 08:34 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 08:33 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 08:25 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 08:18 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 08:09 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I understand it for some coaches like Matt Rhule. He peaked last year with a senior led team and would be in for a rebuild. Same with PJ Fleck and Dino Babers, you got to get out when you can at some schools. I think Justin Fuente was similar, his stock was high so he cashed out. Mike Norvell is in a better spot than Fuente with more of a commitment from Memphis but I still think that he leaves because he could win 10-11 games this year and next year is a rebuild. That means if he doesn't leave this year, it'll be another 2+ years in Memphis. Frost has his entire team coming back and was expected to compete next year, so he doesn't necessarily have to jump at the big contract yet.

Understand your examples but think they are much tougher places to consistently win big, even in the G4/AAC. Not the same as UCF or even Memphis which has a great recruiting area & pays well. And next year won't be a rebuilding year at Memphis as in times past, Fuente recruited OK, Norvell very well & has a lot of young talent on the team - even guys red-shirted that are better than the 1st team when Fuente arrived. Replacing Ferguson will be tough, but good running backs, good receivers back & some real players on the D back. I like Memphis next year. But back to the logic, jump for an extra 3-4M to a dead-end job, crazy really - IMO, not a good career decision.

Nebraska is not a "dead end job." They are a good coach way from winning the B1G West every year.

Yep. And returning the to the Top 10 and competing for national championships.

He likely has a top 10 team next year at ucf. Almost everyone is returning.

None of us knows what's going to happen, but I wouldn't hang my hat on that as a reason for him to stay. Taggart was in a nearly identical boat and went to Oregon even though we were willing to match the Ducks offer, and Taggart doesn't have anything close to the tie Frost has with Nebraska.

USFFan

(10-24-2017 08:51 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 08:34 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 08:33 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 08:25 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 08:18 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Understand your examples but think they are much tougher places to consistently win big, even in the G4/AAC. Not the same as UCF or even Memphis which has a great recruiting area & pays well. And next year won't be a rebuilding year at Memphis as in times past, Fuente recruited OK, Norvell very well & has a lot of young talent on the team - even guys red-shirted that are better than the 1st team when Fuente arrived. Replacing Ferguson will be tough, but good running backs, good receivers back & some real players on the D back. I like Memphis next year. But back to the logic, jump for an extra 3-4M to a dead-end job, crazy really - IMO, not a good career decision.

Nebraska is not a "dead end job." They are a good coach way from winning the B1G West every year.

Yep. And returning the to the Top 10 and competing for national championships.

He likely has a top 10 team next year at ucf. Almost everyone is returning.

And he will still be denied an opportunity to play for a national championship because no team from the AAC will ever be selected for the playoffs with the current 4-team format.

I wouldn't say never but certainly the odds are stacked against it. I mean there was a time Boise and TCU were both top 4 in the BCS. I think if UCF goes undefeated this season and wins the access bowl and returns everyone. If they go undefeated again that would be the best possible chance but a lot will depend on what the P5 leagues do as well. If there are multiple 2 loss champs they might sneak in.

(10-24-2017 08:52 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Like most coaches, Frost will coach wherever will make Mrs. Frost happy (especially now they have a baby on the way).

I said this once to my buddy who was an Athletics Director at a High Major for 20 years, and was an Associate Athletics Director at a P5 school for 20 years prior to that. He laughed at me, and said he had never met a coach that was concerned about the weather, or golf, or his wife's friends, or their social circle, or the beauty of the city, etc. "They are grinders, and they want to win. Without exception. They don't care about all of the other things that you care about."

(10-24-2017 08:40 AM)M1T4 Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 08:34 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 08:33 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 08:25 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 08:18 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Understand your examples but think they are much tougher places to consistently win big, even in the G4/AAC. Not the same as UCF or even Memphis which has a great recruiting area & pays well. And next year won't be a rebuilding year at Memphis as in times past, Fuente recruited OK, Norvell very well & has a lot of young talent on the team - even guys red-shirted that are better than the 1st team when Fuente arrived. Replacing Ferguson will be tough, but good running backs, good receivers back & some real players on the D back. I like Memphis next year. But back to the logic, jump for an extra 3-4M to a dead-end job, crazy really - IMO, not a good career decision.

Nebraska is not a "dead end job." They are a good coach way from winning the B1G West every year.

Yep. And returning the to the Top 10 and competing for national championships.

He likely has a top 10 team next year at ucf. Almost everyone is returning.

And.... he isn’t turning down his alma mater

Who knows...much different situation leaving a recruiting location with $3.5 million. Neither would suprise me...I could see him going after the Florida job.