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RE: This truly is the death of USM football
(10-31-2017 04:35 PM)eaglebeaver Wrote:  Because, I for one, will fight OP/MSUcks til my dieing breath!

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We need to take responsibility. Ole Miss and State didn't make us hire Giannini who practically destroyed the program. Didn't make us do any of these stupid moves we've done over the past 20 years or so. Etc etc
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(10-31-2017 05:47 PM)Black Diamond Reb Wrote:  
(10-31-2017 04:35 PM)eaglebeaver Wrote:  Because, I for one, will fight OP/MSUcks til my dieing breath!

Practically John Brown.

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(10-31-2017 06:24 PM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  We need to take responsibility. Ole Miss and State didn't make us hire Giannini who practically destroyed the program. Didn't make us do any of these stupid moves we've done over the past 20 years or so. Etc etc

Never said many of our wounds weren't self-inflicted.....

I believe the gentleman asked why our state does not step in and partner with us...and I strongly added, THAT AIN'T EVER GONNA HAPPEN...
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(10-31-2017 04:11 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  
(10-31-2017 02:48 PM)ProfessorEagle Wrote:  
(10-31-2017 10:19 AM)GreenMississippi Wrote:  Well I'll tippy toe into this conversation. I truly do want USM to do well.

What is keeping y'all from investing in the program?

The short answer is lack of support from our own. The same donors have funded the program for years. Eagle Club membership and new donor cultivation have been stagnant. We have been stuck in neutral while everyone else has been in third gear for the past 10-15 years.


Actually, we've lost a ton of donors that had given to the school for decades. The entire debacle between Hammond, McGillis, IHL, Bennett, and other factors led to a good amount I personally know stopping. And until they see actual leadership, they don't plan to give any more. To quote one, "I gave tremendous amount for over 30 years and nothing changed. Their student recruitment strategy was awful, no one listened to any of our ideas that seemed so braindead obvious even a kid could do it, and it's obvious they don't care much about losing my dollars because I haven't heard from them since." That's a pretty common thread I hear from many donors who used to have season tickets for decades and can no longer be found at the games.

This is why I stopped giving as well. Yes,I'm part of the problem. Used to buy 4 sets of season tickets plus give a good bit to the Eagle Club.

I decided it was no longer worth it. I don't expect some unrealistic results. I just want competent leadership that can bring excitement and provide vision. We've been sorely lacking that for a long time.
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(10-31-2017 07:14 PM)eaglebeaver Wrote:  
(10-31-2017 06:24 PM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  We need to take responsibility. Ole Miss and State didn't make us hire Giannini who practically destroyed the program. Didn't make us do any of these stupid moves we've done over the past 20 years or so. Etc etc

Never said many of our wounds weren't self-inflicted.....

I believe the gentleman asked why our state does not step in and partner with us...and I strongly added, THAT AIN'T EVER GONNA HAPPEN...

Yes, it AIN'T EVER GONNA HAPPEN because you evidently don't want it to happen. You telling me that after all these decades.....the same people are making decisions to see USM totally disintegrate ?? Seems like a very crappy form of government. And BTW, I really think Ole Miss and State really don't care about Southern Miss. Y'all need to get up and do something about it.......if true.
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(10-31-2017 09:27 PM)CajunEagle Wrote:  
(10-31-2017 07:14 PM)eaglebeaver Wrote:  
(10-31-2017 06:24 PM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  We need to take responsibility. Ole Miss and State didn't make us hire Giannini who practically destroyed the program. Didn't make us do any of these stupid moves we've done over the past 20 years or so. Etc etc

Never said many of our wounds weren't self-inflicted.....

I believe the gentleman asked why our state does not step in and partner with us...and I strongly added, THAT AIN'T EVER GONNA HAPPEN...

you evidently don't want it to happen.

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(10-31-2017 09:27 PM)CajunEagle Wrote:  I really think Ole Miss and State really don't care about Southern Miss.

Don't discount Sweet Peppers, SEC Refs, and Worm's friend Knoe Knot Know.
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I plan on giving to the EC/USM foundation when I graduate. But I've pretty much given up on USM ever having a competent leader in any position. We're just cursed, for some reason. Maybe it has to do with us firing Bower or something. Who knows.
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(10-31-2017 04:11 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  student recruitment strategy was awful,

I can tell you that the people in admissions bust their ass trying to get legit students to USM. It's a very tough job. USM just isn't cool in Mississippi. If you aren't from Hattiesburg (and OM/State get plenty of students from Forrest/Lamar counties) or a legacy, why come to USM? Those schools have the SEC athletics, Greek Life, big money programs, etc.
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(10-31-2017 04:11 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  Actually, we've lost a ton of donors that had given to the school for decades. The entire debacle between Hammond, McGillis, IHL, Bennett, and other factors led to a good amount I personally know stopping. And until they see actual leadership, they don't plan to give any more. To quote one, "I gave tremendous amount for over 30 years and nothing changed. Their student recruitment strategy was awful, no one listened to any of our ideas that seemed so braindead obvious even a kid could do it, and it's obvious they don't care much about losing my dollars because I haven't heard from them since." That's a pretty common thread I hear from many donors who used to have season tickets for decades and can no longer be found at the games.

Please do elaborate as to what the “The entire debacle between Hammond, McGillis, IHL, Bennett“ entails. I’ve seen those events of the past half-dozen or so years, but what, specifically, caused these people to throw in the towel after giving “tremendous amounts” for “decades?”

The problems we have today have been brewing for decades as well. The last legitimate visionary to hold the president’s office was probably McCain. McLellan, for whom I otherwise had a lot of respect, did everything possible to balance the athletic budget except actually grow income. The word “marketing” may not have even been in his vocabulary, and under his watch, our facilities fell 10 years behind our peers’. For heaven’s sake, we only played 4 home football games for years. That was atrocious. What exactly made people who contributed through all that decide, “Nope, I’m done now”? It’s ALWAYS been a battle here. Our fighting, biting, and scratching for everything we have from the day the doors opened is well-documented.

It’s also a strange paradox that one of the biggest complaints over the years has been “the big donors control everything.” Now you’re telling me people who gave huge sums of money are pissed off because they weren’t being listened to.
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(10-31-2017 10:03 PM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  
(10-31-2017 04:11 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  student recruitment strategy was awful,

I can tell you that the people in admissions bust their ass trying to get legit students to USM. It's a very tough job. USM just isn't cool in Mississippi. If you aren't from Hattiesburg (and OM/State get plenty of students from Forrest/Lamar counties) or a legacy, why come to USM? Those schools have the SEC athletics, Greek Life, big money programs, etc.


As someone who grew up in the Jackson area, is a legacy, and had made it painfully clear my desire to go to USM, my dad had to call down to Hattiesburg and chew people out because I got spammed by State, Ole Miss, and Bama, but received not one piece of mail from USM. I really don’t care “how hard they work”. I know for a fact (my best friend worked in admissions while in school) that Martha intentionally did not recruit Jackson at all. It wasn’t an accident I, and many others, never received one piece of mail.

Oh, and about it “not being cool.” About 90% of people I grew up with who actually made it on campus for a visit chose USM. The vast majority have never stepped foot on campus because of SEC, but when we get them here, they love it.

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I live in the Florida panhandle, my daughter is a high school junior and has received some mail. Maybe things are changing.

I agree with a lot that's been said. I held season tickets for years, but this year I didn't renew. Just too much expense w/ hotel, travel, etc. and I'm tired of watch the program deteriorate slowly but surely.
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I assure you that this administration cares about Jackson. It's just really, really tough to recruit the best students from that area. So many OM/MSU legacies and old money people that view USM as a joke. Bennett and Howard (admissions dean) spoke at Jackson Prep awhile back, a school that sends more to TCU or SMU than USM. They're trying.
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(11-01-2017 08:36 AM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  I assure you that this administration cares about Jackson. It's just really, really tough to recruit the best students from that area. So many OM/MSU legacies and old money people that view USM as a joke. Bennett and Howard (admissions dean) spoke at Jackson Prep awhile back, a school that sends more to TCU or SMU than USM. They're trying.


I love Southern Miss and have done quite well with my degree, but God help them. I know Jackson Prep. Not saying they're wasting their time, but I sure hope Bennett and Howard are doing something in addition to "speaking".

What degrees are these parents seeking for their kids - that's the first thing to address. And can we do anything about it?

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I think it's funny that people in the Metro Jackson area drop 15-20k on private school only for their kid to go to Ole Miss or State. Not a very good investment IMO. You want your kid to go to an elite university if you're spending that kind of money on HS.
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(11-01-2017 10:11 AM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  I think it's funny that people in the Metro Jackson area drop 15-20k on private school only for their kid to go to Ole Miss or State. Not a very good investment IMO. You want your kid to go to an elite university if you're spending that kind of money on HS.

I think parents pay $15-$20K on private school in the metro jackson area so their kids won't get shot.
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(11-01-2017 06:58 AM)HarborPointe Wrote:  
(10-31-2017 04:11 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  Actually, we've lost a ton of donors that had given to the school for decades. The entire debacle between Hammond, McGillis, IHL, Bennett, and other factors led to a good amount I personally know stopping. And until they see actual leadership, they don't plan to give any more. To quote one, "I gave tremendous amount for over 30 years and nothing changed. Their student recruitment strategy was awful, no one listened to any of our ideas that seemed so braindead obvious even a kid could do it, and it's obvious they don't care much about losing my dollars because I haven't heard from them since." That's a pretty common thread I hear from many donors who used to have season tickets for decades and can no longer be found at the games.

Please do elaborate as to what the “The entire debacle between Hammond, McGillis, IHL, Bennett“ entails. I’ve seen those events of the past half-dozen or so years, but what, specifically, caused these people to throw in the towel after giving “tremendous amounts” for “decades?”

The problems we have today have been brewing for decades as well. The last legitimate visionary to hold the president’s office was probably McCain. McLellan, for whom I otherwise had a lot of respect, did everything possible to balance the athletic budget except actually grow income. The word “marketing” may not have even been in his vocabulary, and under his watch, our facilities fell 10 years behind our peers’. For heaven’s sake, we only played 4 home football games for years. That was atrocious. What exactly made people who contributed through all that decide, “Nope, I’m done now”? It’s ALWAYS been a battle here. Our fighting, biting, and scratching for everything we have from the day the doors opened is well-documented.

It’s also a strange paradox that one of the biggest complaints over the years has been “the big donors control everything.” Now you’re telling me people who gave huge sums of money are pissed off because they weren’t being listened to.


What caused many, from my understanding, was a buildup over the years of incompetence. We all work jobs and do our best at them. When you see pure, unadulterated laziness permeating a campus for twenty+ years and no leadership to fix it, that weighs on you. Many saw Hammond as whipping the laziness out of the Athletic Department, but he was canned because he made some big money people unhappy. Then you had Bennett brought in, who was a candidate no one on the Presidential committee wanted, but was forced on us by the IHL to be the 'diverse' pick of Mississippi. He hired McGillis, who did nothing but make us lose money through terrible IMG deals and paying this outside company to sell season tickets instead of our own people actually going out and selling those tickets, costing us more money in the process. You begin to combine all of these things happening and at one point, people say 'Enough is enough. If USM doesn't want to better itself, I'm not going to pour my money in their sinkhole.' And so they left.


Big sums can look like small sums in comparison. I've been in rooms and heard administration straight up say that if they can control Hattiesburg and the surrounding 30 mile area, we'd be okay. This is what led Martha to assign her worst recruiter to Jackson. It's created an echo chamber in Hattiesburg where any ideas that aren't from Hattiesburg are seen as ridiculous or out of touch. Meanwhile, the Eagle Club in Hattiesburg is dying (dead may be a better word, their meetings are jokes), more and more kids are choosing SEC schools over us, and we're finding out very quickly that the surrounding 30 mile radius isn't that large. In theory, sure, if everyone in that area got involved, we'd be a-okay. That's not reality though. And for decades they've made sure to keep those giving millions as happy as possible while giving the finger to those who give tens of thousands.

Short story to show a bit of the incompetence I've witnessed. I have a friend who's company owned a suite the first five years (08-12). After that, the contract came up for renewal. They had previously been paying $28,000 a year to rent the suite. McGillis comes in and tells them that the price is now going to be $31,000 a year. Note, this is after an 0-12 year where all of our conference rivals left us and were being replaced by startup programs. So, out of goodwill, this friend offers $29,000 and cites the reasons why he would never consider paying $31,000 with the product on the field and the competition we had on schedule. He even agreed to do a one year deal so that if someone found out and complained, they could say it's being rented and is available to anyone willing to pay the $31,000 at any time. McGillis refused. That suite was filled the entirety of the 2013 season by local businesses given free tickets to make sure it wasn't empty. Our AD passed on $29,000 (more than that if we account for future years) and instead gave away free tickets to people who have never shown their face on campus again. That's the incompetence that plagues our Athletic Department. I sure hope the new AD can fix things, and I haven't seen any reason so far that I believe he can't. But it's going to take a cultural shift in Hattiesburg for us to right the ship. It'll also take certain people rotating off of the IHL that will inevitably allow us to improve ourselves instead of stay where we are.
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I came from out of state, and I 100% only ended up at USM because of the recruitment office. USM wasn’t even on my radar, but they found me. The more I looked into it, the more I concluded it was the best fit for me.

That was back in the very early ‘90s. I don’t know enough about how things were under Fleming and Thames, but yeah, sometimes Saunders looks like a mole who was purposely trying to sabotage things.
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I don't even think there is a Hattiesburg EC chapter. As for Hammond, he did some things that cost him the job. Period. It was a lot more than pissing off big donors (though that was a factor).

Bennett is what he is (average). He hasn't had a major **** up (yet) like Saunders and Thames did. I didn't know that the presidential search board was opposed to him. Why even have a search committee when you know the decision is going to be made by a bunch of Jackson/North Mississippi big-wigs that don't give a damn about USM?


The IHL isn't going to get any better anytime soon. Our great USM governor has appointed 1 USM grad to the board. And I believe 2 USM people that Barbour appointed will rotate off in 2018. Barbour is/was much more pro-USM than Bryant.

It's interesting. Ole Miss and State people think that USM and the other schools hold them back. A lot of OM supporters wanted to break off in 2015 when Dan Jones was let go. The reason was that they felt USM and the HBCUs had a disproportionate amount of power. Of course, our people think that OM/MSU have too much power.

The guy that the IHL appointed for Ole Miss (Vitter) is mostly incompetent, but OM has enough positives to where they can survive mediocre leadership. We can't/don't.
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