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RE: Does the Pac 12 have a realignment Plan B?
Olympic sports are huge in China. Any additions to PAC 12 will take that in consideration. They could earn further interest from the country y setting up some games in those sports. The PAC 12 has the opportunity to blow everyone else out of the water on a per team $ share.
11-05-2017 08:59 AM
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RE: Does the Pac 12 have a realignment Plan B?
(11-04-2017 10:54 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-03-2017 08:55 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(11-03-2017 07:41 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(11-03-2017 05:27 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(11-03-2017 05:17 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The P12 "plan" does not exist, beyond Texas and whatever it takes to get them.

It's really simple, only Texas will get the votes of the California schools and Washington. That is a fundamental "fact" (as far as facts go in realignment). If there is no Texas, there is no Pac-12 expansion.

Right, the votes would be there for any combination that includes UT, and not there for any combination that doesn't include UT.

That's the reality, even though it prevents us from enjoying a hundred other realignment theories. 07-coffee3

Well if UT goes to the B1G or SEC and those two grow to 16 or beyond it will be hard for the Pac to sit at 12 and let the finacial gap between themselves and the others to grow.

Exactly! if the others go to 16 the Pac 12 will be completely left behind in the arms race. They are already disadvantaged due to the time zone issue and the fact that the Pac 12 fanbases aren't nearly as rabid as the Big Ten ans SEC and don't command the same kind of tv dollars.

Academic snobbery prevents them from adding schools that might otherwise help them. If Texas and Oklahoma are off the table the pickings are pretty slim.

In theory, that might try to strike some sort of partnership with the ACC to try to get something going on both coasts but they are firmly in the ESPN camp so that's a no go.


The PAC approached the ACC, years ago about a joint venture/network. The prospect doesn't look any better today than it looked then.

Unless they can hit the jackpot from the XII, there isn't realistically a lot of options left that would be value added to the conference as a whole.

Seems their best route might be (if they don't hit the jackpot) to see if the B1G/Fox would be willing to enter into a joint venture/scheduling agreement. I'm sure they'd at least listen.
11-05-2017 10:44 AM
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RE: Does the Pac 12 have a realignment Plan B?
plan B: the only way Pac gets in Tex is Hous, helps with network & time zone.

match Hous up with Hawaii, adds xrtra games helps with night games,
cut back on conf games & inventory jumps with expansion by 20 fb games

Pac gonna have to look at Canada for 16
digging up 15 might be possiable [Kansas, NM, UCSD, SDST]

thier non- conf games available in Cal & Cal border [Reno-Unlv]
11-05-2017 11:49 AM
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RE: Does the Pac 12 have a realignment Plan B?
(11-05-2017 08:59 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Olympic sports are huge in China. Any additions to PAC 12 will take that in consideration. They could earn further interest from the country y setting up some games in those sports. The PAC 12 has the opportunity to blow everyone else out of the water on a per team $ share.

I think this is Plan-A. And not just for Olympic sports. Asia has more than half the worlds population and a growing interest in US style sports. Baseball in Japan, basketball in China...

There is no brand loyalty and the P12 has plenty of inventory so they don't need to add anybody.

The time zones are favorable. There is time to edit a game down to a length that would make them more appealing.

EDIT: This could also explain the strange setup of the P12 networks.
(This post was last modified: 11-07-2017 11:17 AM by Wolfman.)
11-07-2017 11:05 AM
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RE: Does the Pac 12 have a realignment Plan B?
The problem is that any schools in the G5 that does draw viewers to help with their networks. They have to go with the winners, and have to hold their noses to accept them.

Hawaii is a problem right now. They need their coach June Jones back to get them winning again. Their tv viewership have slipped in recent years.

Fresno State, San Diego State and Boise State have been very solid. They might be acceptable.

Houston, SMU, Rice and UTEP does have some viewership, but the one on the rise is UTSA. Why not Houston and UTSA as a pair?

You have to also look at eastern schools. North Dakota State, Montana, Memphis, UCF, USF, East Carolina, Temple, Cincinnati, Navy, Army, Southern Miss., Arkansas State, Appalachian State, Toledo, Northern Illinois, and Western Michigan all could bring some viewerships.

I would look at adding the strong G5 schools if you can't get any big 12. Look at Utah? Bringing in any MWC team that are strong could help raise the level of competition. I just say forget going into Texas and eastward. It is too much of a hassle, and would cost even more money to travel.
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RE: Does the Pac 12 have a realignment Plan B?
If Texas is sitting out this dance, I can't see anyone that brings so many dollars that it is worth the hassle it would impose on the Pac-12.

If there is no Texoma then any expansion is going to be in existing time zones but look at the pool. There's no one who today would inspire pulling the trigger.

SDSU not going to happen, P12 says they already have that market and they aren't going to add a Cal State school. Ditto SJSU and Fresno.

New Mexico isn't as atrocious of a market as many think but still a small market. UNM is under the academic profile Pac-12 would look at.
Wyoming. Absolutely a small market and culturally wildly different.
UNLV - Not in the academic realm the league would desire would screw up the neutral site dynamic for championship events.
Nevada - Small market, better academic rep than UNLV but still not P12.
Hawaii - Travel pain in the ass, not an academic powerhouse.
Boise State - Another small market but growing and not a school the P12 would call peer anytime soon.
Colorado State, Utah State, BYU, not getting in with existing schools in the markets.

Expansion Plan B is hold what they got. Maybe there is a Plan C where they do an administrative merger with someone else to jointly negotiate TV but without the University of Texas there's nothing that makes any sense.
11-07-2017 03:30 PM
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RE: Does the Pac 12 have a realignment Plan B?
I think Plan A is some type of media merger with the Big 10. Plan B is Texhoma. There is no Plan C. But the got to do something ploy would be Houston and SMU.
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