(11-07-2017 11:27 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 11:00 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 10:41 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 10:23 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 09:19 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  The AAC is closer to the Sun Belt than any P5 in average budget, attendance, endowment etc etc etc.

That isn't debatable.

Again, it's P5/G5, that isn't changing.

uconn has a 70mil budget, aac average is about 50 mil (lowest is 44),
the average sunbelt is 24mil (reaching as low as 11),
the average p5 is about 80 (and they are carried by a power or 2 over a 100mi, plenty before 6 mil)

the literally only difference in budget between the p5 and the AAC is tv revenue, uconn would be a 90+ mil with a p5 tv deal

our endowments are way closer to the p5 than sunbelt, its not even close.. half the aac is over a billion or close ..their is only one respectable endowment in the sunbelt and thats south alabama at around 500, the rest average around under a 100mil

you just made up a ton of false facts

attendance is the only fair point youve made, but the AAC is the only active conference in ALL the fbs who is having a positive trend in attendance

Wait, I'm sorry, is $50M closer to $24M or $80M?

i was using a rough estimation, my point was that the gap was just as big between the AAC and Sunbelt and the depth of the league, where our worst was 44mil, their worst is 11 mil, and there are p5 with 56mil...and every p5 hs a 25mil+ head start..that if our next tv deal is big, we'd probably close that gap

and im using the ncaa finances resource on usatoday (also i relieazed i ight have been using an older year, so the number are a bit more bigger in the newer version, but the gap sizes remain about the same )

Lowest P5 USA Today budget is KS ST at nearly 71 million. Then (other than AAC outlier UCONN) there's a $12 million dollar drop to UCF at $59 million

Try again.

wazzu...in under 60 mil..

(11-07-2017 11:34 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 11:27 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 11:00 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 10:41 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 10:23 AM)pesik Wrote:  uconn has a 70mil budget, aac average is about 50 mil (lowest is 44),
the average sunbelt is 24mil (reaching as low as 11),
the average p5 is about 80 (and they are carried by a power or 2 over a 100mi, plenty before 6 mil)

the literally only difference in budget between the p5 and the AAC is tv revenue, uconn would be a 90+ mil with a p5 tv deal

our endowments are way closer to the p5 than sunbelt, its not even close.. half the aac is over a billion or close ..their is only one respectable endowment in the sunbelt and thats south alabama at around 500, the rest average around under a 100mil

you just made up a ton of false facts

attendance is the only fair point youve made, but the AAC is the only active conference in ALL the fbs who is having a positive trend in attendance

Wait, I'm sorry, is $50M closer to $24M or $80M?

i was using a rough estimation, my point was that the gap was just as big between the AAC and Sunbelt and the depth of the league, where our worst was 44mil, their worst is 11 mil, and there are p5 with 56mil...and every p5 hs a 25mil+ head start..that if our next tv deal is big, we'd probably close that gap

and im using the ncaa finances resource on usatoday (also i relieazed i ight have been using an older year, so the number are a bit more bigger in the newer version, but the gap sizes remain about the same )

Lowest P5 USA Today budget is KS ST at nearly 71 million. Then (other than AAC outlier UCONN) there's a $12 million dollar drop to UCF at $59 million

Try again.

wazzu...in under 60 mil..

That's what they made, not what they spent...

(11-07-2017 11:18 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 11:00 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 10:41 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 10:23 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 09:19 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  The AAC is closer to the Sun Belt than any P5 in average budget, attendance, endowment etc etc etc.

That isn't debatable.

Again, it's P5/G5, that isn't changing.

uconn has a 70mil budget, aac average is about 50 mil (lowest is 44),
the average sunbelt is 24mil (reaching as low as 11),
the average p5 is about 80 (and they are carried by a power or 2 over a 100mi, plenty before 6 mil)

the literally only difference in budget between the p5 and the AAC is tv revenue, uconn would be a 90+ mil with a p5 tv deal

our endowments are way closer to the p5 than sunbelt, its not even close.. half the aac is over a billion or close ..their is only one respectable endowment in the sunbelt and thats south alabama at around 500, the rest average around under a 100mil

you just made up a ton of false facts

attendance is the only fair point youve made, but the AAC is the only active conference in ALL the fbs who is having a positive trend in attendance

Wait, I'm sorry, is $50M closer to $24M or $80M?

i was using a rough estimation, my point was that the gap was just as big between the AAC and Sunbelt and the depth of the league, where our worst was 44mil, their worst is 11 mil, and there are p5 with 56mil...and every p5 hs a 25mil+ head start..that if our next tv deal is big, we'd probably close that gap

and im using the ncaa finances resource on usatoday (also i relieazed i ight have been using an older year, so the number are a bit more bigger in the newer version, but the gap sizes remain about the same )

No, the gap isn't the same.

You underestimated the P5 average and we're going off the bottom G5.

You are closer to the bottom G5 than you are to *any* P5 and the gap grows even larger when we aren't comparing you strictly to the Sun Belt, but to the rest of your G5 brethren.

Going off, presumably the aame USA today report, I count 7 P5s with revenue and expenses under UCONN.

I also count five with more than double the revenue and two with more than double the expenses. The top 3 SEC programs generate more revenue than the entire AAC.

You're also using some pretty goofy logic.

Yes, the P5 gets a $25M head start, if you guys got that kind of coin it would close the gap some and if I had wheels I'd be a wagon.

And you say "IF our next tv deal is big we'd probably close that gap", first, no you won't because even if you see a bump in TV money, it won't be that big, and that also assumes the P5 money stays static.

If you guys see a bump, the P5 will see a bigger bump. The gap will only grow larger friend.

It may feel like you're getting closer to P5 as you put a little distance between you and the rest of the G5, but we're all moving further away from the P5, you're just moving further away at a slightly slower rate.

The line has been drawn and despite what your helmet stickers say, you guys are on the wrong side of that line.

1) the gap isnt growing with the AAC and the p5, its shrinking by almost every measurable factor that changes every year (tv deals and bowls arent negotiated yearrly)..there is a growing gpa between the other g4..but p5 fans are decreasing, their attendnce is decreasing. ours is increasing..our competitive rank between them is also decreasing each year

2) the 25 mil head start comment. was that our budgets arent that far from the p5 that you could replace most aac with a p5 and there almost be no difference from day one on the size of budgets..if you added certain teams in the other g4,, theyd still hve to come up with 30 mil even with the added revenue just to catch up

3) we negotiate our tv deal in 2019...all the p5 dont start renegotiation till 2024..so they will remain static..we wont reach anywhere near 25 mil...but it should be a big enough increase to put us in our own lane

the aac will never match any p5..but the objective is to get close enough to them to be associated with them and not the g4..which is very possible..it is already happening in the mind of a few prominent media personalities and its only year 3 ..imagine 5 years down the line

(11-07-2017 11:46 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 11:18 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 11:00 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 10:41 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 10:23 AM)pesik Wrote:  uconn has a 70mil budget, aac average is about 50 mil (lowest is 44),
the average sunbelt is 24mil (reaching as low as 11),
the average p5 is about 80 (and they are carried by a power or 2 over a 100mi, plenty before 6 mil)

the literally only difference in budget between the p5 and the AAC is tv revenue, uconn would be a 90+ mil with a p5 tv deal

our endowments are way closer to the p5 than sunbelt, its not even close.. half the aac is over a billion or close ..their is only one respectable endowment in the sunbelt and thats south alabama at around 500, the rest average around under a 100mil

you just made up a ton of false facts

attendance is the only fair point youve made, but the AAC is the only active conference in ALL the fbs who is having a positive trend in attendance

Wait, I'm sorry, is $50M closer to $24M or $80M?

i was using a rough estimation, my point was that the gap was just as big between the AAC and Sunbelt and the depth of the league, where our worst was 44mil, their worst is 11 mil, and there are p5 with 56mil...and every p5 hs a 25mil+ head start..that if our next tv deal is big, we'd probably close that gap

and im using the ncaa finances resource on usatoday (also i relieazed i ight have been using an older year, so the number are a bit more bigger in the newer version, but the gap sizes remain about the same )

No, the gap isn't the same.

You underestimated the P5 average and we're going off the bottom G5.

You are closer to the bottom G5 than you are to *any* P5 and the gap grows even larger when we aren't comparing you strictly to the Sun Belt, but to the rest of your G5 brethren.

Going off, presumably the aame USA today report, I count 7 P5s with revenue and expenses under UCONN.

I also count five with more than double the revenue and two with more than double the expenses. The top 3 SEC programs generate more revenue than the entire AAC.

You're also using some pretty goofy logic.

Yes, the P5 gets a $25M head start, if you guys got that kind of coin it would close the gap some and if I had wheels I'd be a wagon.

And you say "IF our next tv deal is big we'd probably close that gap", first, no you won't because even if you see a bump in TV money, it won't be that big, and that also assumes the P5 money stays static.

If you guys see a bump, the P5 will see a bigger bump. The gap will only grow larger friend.

It may feel like you're getting closer to P5 as you put a little distance between you and the rest of the G5, but we're all moving further away from the P5, you're just moving further away at a slightly slower rate.

The line has been drawn and despite what your helmet stickers say, you guys are on the wrong side of that line.

1) the gap isnt growing with the AAC and the p5, its shrinking by almost every measurable factor that changes every year (tv deals and bowls arent negotiated yearrly)..there is a growing gpa between the other g4..but p5 fans are decreasing, their attendnce is decreasing. ours is increasing..our competitive rank between them is also decreasing each year

2) the 25 mil head start comment. was that our budgets arent that far from the p5 that you could replace most aac with a p5 and there almost be no difference from day one on the size of budgets..if you added certain teams in the other g4,, theyd still hve to come up with 30 mil even with the added revenue just to catch up

3) we negotiate our tv deal in 2019...all the p5 dont start renegotiation till 2024..so they will remain static..we wont reach anywhere near 25 mil...but it should be a big enough increase to put us in our own lane

the aac will never match any p5..but the objective is to get close enough to them to be associated with them and not the g4..which is very possible..it is already happening in the mind of a few prominent media personalities and its only year 3 ..imagine 5 years down the line

There's no such thing as G4.

And even if the P5 money is static till 2024, they will still get a bigger bump, thus extending the gap.

Your helmet stickers cannot save you, you are on the wrong side of the line.

(11-07-2017 11:48 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  There's no such thing as G4.

And even if the P5 money is static till 2024, they will still get a bigger bump, thus extending the gap.

Your helmet stickers cannot save you, you are on the wrong side of the line.

there is no such thing as a g5..it literally ha nothing to stand on, it as just given as a convenient name for the leftovers...there isnt g5 meetings or administration, we arent connected in any way besides 1 bowl game...a bowl that only exists because of aresco (the original system had no g5 slot, aresco negotiated the bid for the outsiders)

the isnt a thing either...autonomous ruling has nothing to do with field play...

both are perception terms. we have decide to affect how we are perceived...perception isnt changed over night but with persistence it does.
c-usa folks make fun of the p6 claim but every year the argument gets more and more realistic and harder to argue against..5 years ago half the people who follow the g5 said the mwc was way better and would be (including prominent media people like paul myberg) 4 years later you look like a fool arguing that

the gap is closing and the p6/g4 campaign whether or not you like it, is playing a big role in that..sticker and all

(11-07-2017 11:48 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 11:46 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 11:18 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 11:00 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 10:41 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Wait, I'm sorry, is $50M closer to $24M or $80M?

i was using a rough estimation, my point was that the gap was just as big between the AAC and Sunbelt and the depth of the league, where our worst was 44mil, their worst is 11 mil, and there are p5 with 56mil...and every p5 hs a 25mil+ head start..that if our next tv deal is big, we'd probably close that gap

and im using the ncaa finances resource on usatoday (also i relieazed i ight have been using an older year, so the number are a bit more bigger in the newer version, but the gap sizes remain about the same )

No, the gap isn't the same.

You underestimated the P5 average and we're going off the bottom G5.

You are closer to the bottom G5 than you are to *any* P5 and the gap grows even larger when we aren't comparing you strictly to the Sun Belt, but to the rest of your G5 brethren.

Going off, presumably the aame USA today report, I count 7 P5s with revenue and expenses under UCONN.

I also count five with more than double the revenue and two with more than double the expenses. The top 3 SEC programs generate more revenue than the entire AAC.

You're also using some pretty goofy logic.

Yes, the P5 gets a $25M head start, if you guys got that kind of coin it would close the gap some and if I had wheels I'd be a wagon.

And you say "IF our next tv deal is big we'd probably close that gap", first, no you won't because even if you see a bump in TV money, it won't be that big, and that also assumes the P5 money stays static.

If you guys see a bump, the P5 will see a bigger bump. The gap will only grow larger friend.

It may feel like you're getting closer to P5 as you put a little distance between you and the rest of the G5, but we're all moving further away from the P5, you're just moving further away at a slightly slower rate.

The line has been drawn and despite what your helmet stickers say, you guys are on the wrong side of that line.

1) the gap isnt growing with the AAC and the p5, its shrinking by almost every measurable factor that changes every year (tv deals and bowls arent negotiated yearrly)..there is a growing gpa between the other g4..but p5 fans are decreasing, their attendnce is decreasing. ours is increasing..our competitive rank between them is also decreasing each year

2) the 25 mil head start comment. was that our budgets arent that far from the p5 that you could replace most aac with a p5 and there almost be no difference from day one on the size of budgets..if you added certain teams in the other g4,, theyd still hve to come up with 30 mil even with the added revenue just to catch up

3) we negotiate our tv deal in 2019...all the p5 dont start renegotiation till 2024..so they will remain static..we wont reach anywhere near 25 mil...but it should be a big enough increase to put us in our own lane

the aac will never match any p5..but the objective is to get close enough to them to be associated with them and not the g4..which is very possible..it is already happening in the mind of a few prominent media personalities and its only year 3 ..imagine 5 years down the line

There's no such thing as G4.

And even if the P5 money is static till 2024, they will still get a bigger bump, thus extending the gap.

Your helmet stickers cannot save you, you are on the wrong side of the line.

keep repeating it in your head while wearing your ear plugs with your hands over your eyes....... maybe it will come true.

until then, we shall enjoy all our games on national tv, NY6 bowls, and the NCAA tournament will be fun watching how our 1-8 seeded teams perform.

(11-07-2017 10:01 AM)otown Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 09:57 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 06:23 AM)otown Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 11:13 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 10:56 PM)TxTiger79 Wrote:  

Three ranked teams and one decent win between them. They might be good teams but none have done a thing to deserve a top ten ranking.

Here is the thing......you can get mad about it all you want.......

Why is the first response "you're mad"?

What about that response reads as "mad"?

All you AAC trolls over here keep telling us we're mad when we're just laughing at your helmet stickers and alternative reality.

P6...G4... it's all fake news guys.

Shall I say "disgruntled"? Its not AAC posters who create these threads in the CUSA forum. Hell, I don't even see these threads in the ACC and MAC forums on this site, nor do I see them on SEC boards that I frequent or on the MWC platform. For some reason, this just irks CUSA fanboys. Maybe its the jilted girlfriend syndrome, although we only have history with a small handful of left behinds.

I don't know.....This sounds a little angry to me.....

"You are not "technically" G5.

There are five power conferences and there will never be a sixth.

Everything else in this thread is nonsense, like your dumb ******* helmet stickers.

You are G5." yelled MTPiKapp

I'm not mad at you guys for going down fighting, but you are going down with the rest of the G5 and your campaign is amusing.

You are closer to the Sun Belt in attendance and budget. The only P5 conference under 12 members didn't want any of your members.

Your conference isn't being given a seat at the table, not today, not tomorrow, not five years from now.

And just like any CUSA member that undeniably outgrows this conference could easily be plucked by the AAC, any AAC member that makes itself inarguably P5 worthy could easily be plucked by any P5 conference.

(11-07-2017 11:48 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 11:46 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 11:18 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 11:00 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 10:41 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Wait, I'm sorry, is $50M closer to $24M or $80M?

i was using a rough estimation, my point was that the gap was just as big between the AAC and Sunbelt and the depth of the league, where our worst was 44mil, their worst is 11 mil, and there are p5 with 56mil...and every p5 hs a 25mil+ head start..that if our next tv deal is big, we'd probably close that gap

and im using the ncaa finances resource on usatoday (also i relieazed i ight have been using an older year, so the number are a bit more bigger in the newer version, but the gap sizes remain about the same )

No, the gap isn't the same.

You underestimated the P5 average and we're going off the bottom G5.

You are closer to the bottom G5 than you are to *any* P5 and the gap grows even larger when we aren't comparing you strictly to the Sun Belt, but to the rest of your G5 brethren.

Going off, presumably the aame USA today report, I count 7 P5s with revenue and expenses under UCONN.

I also count five with more than double the revenue and two with more than double the expenses. The top 3 SEC programs generate more revenue than the entire AAC.

You're also using some pretty goofy logic.

Yes, the P5 gets a $25M head start, if you guys got that kind of coin it would close the gap some and if I had wheels I'd be a wagon.

And you say "IF our next tv deal is big we'd probably close that gap", first, no you won't because even if you see a bump in TV money, it won't be that big, and that also assumes the P5 money stays static.

If you guys see a bump, the P5 will see a bigger bump. The gap will only grow larger friend.

It may feel like you're getting closer to P5 as you put a little distance between you and the rest of the G5, but we're all moving further away from the P5, you're just moving further away at a slightly slower rate.

The line has been drawn and despite what your helmet stickers say, you guys are on the wrong side of that line.

1) the gap isnt growing with the AAC and the p5, its shrinking by almost every measurable factor that changes every year (tv deals and bowls arent negotiated yearrly)..there is a growing gpa between the other g4..but p5 fans are decreasing, their attendnce is decreasing. ours is increasing..our competitive rank between them is also decreasing each year

2) the 25 mil head start comment. was that our budgets arent that far from the p5 that you could replace most aac with a p5 and there almost be no difference from day one on the size of budgets..if you added certain teams in the other g4,, theyd still hve to come up with 30 mil even with the added revenue just to catch up

3) we negotiate our tv deal in 2019...all the p5 dont start renegotiation till 2024..so they will remain static..we wont reach anywhere near 25 mil...but it should be a big enough increase to put us in our own lane

the aac will never match any p5..but the objective is to get close enough to them to be associated with them and not the g4..which is very possible..it is already happening in the mind of a few prominent media personalities and its only year 3 ..imagine 5 years down the line

There's no such thing as G4.

And even if the P5 money is static till 2024, they will still get a bigger bump, thus extending the gap.

Your helmet stickers cannot save you, you are on the wrong side of the line.

Personally, I think its a great marketing campaign aimed at product differentiation. End the concept that all G5 widgets are the same by making yours more popular and desired than others. Basically, the marketing campaign is designed to drive viewership interest, increase ratings, and improve demand for the next AAC TV contract. That said, long term I can easily see the AAC moving to a middle tier by itself---kind of becoming the BYU of conferences.

No telling where that could lead. I think it was Bill Gates that once said something to the effect that 'We tend to overestimate what we can do in one year, but underestimate what we can do over the next 10 years'. Here's where the calculus could change---if a G5 conference ever gets to where it has an average football attendance of 40K or more per game, I think it becomes a media property that's simply too big to be ignored---and being too big to be ignored is how you actually become a power conference in the eyes of TV.

(11-07-2017 12:06 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 10:01 AM)otown Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 09:57 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 06:23 AM)otown Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 11:13 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Three ranked teams and one decent win between them. They might be good teams but none have done a thing to deserve a top ten ranking.

Here is the thing......you can get mad about it all you want.......

Why is the first response "you're mad"?

What about that response reads as "mad"?

All you AAC trolls over here keep telling us we're mad when we're just laughing at your helmet stickers and alternative reality.

P6...G4... it's all fake news guys.

Shall I say "disgruntled"? Its not AAC posters who create these threads in the CUSA forum. Hell, I don't even see these threads in the ACC and MAC forums on this site, nor do I see them on SEC boards that I frequent or on the MWC platform. For some reason, this just irks CUSA fanboys. Maybe its the jilted girlfriend syndrome, although we only have history with a small handful of left behinds.

I don't know.....This sounds a little angry to me.....

"You are not "technically" G5.

There are five power conferences and there will never be a sixth.

Everything else in this thread is nonsense, like your dumb ******* helmet stickers.

You are G5." yelled MTPiKapp

Do you see all caps?

Calling your dumb ******* helmet stickers what they are, does not equal yelling, nor does it equal angry.

But just like imagining that I'm angry, if imagining that I'm "yelling" makes you feel better, have at it.

(11-07-2017 12:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Personally, I think its a great marketing campaign aimed at product differentiation. End the concept that all G5 widgets are the same by making yours more popular and desired than others. Basically, the marketing campaign is designed to drive viewership interest, increase ratings, and improve demand for the next AAC TV contract. That said, long term I can easily see the AAC moving to a middle tier by itself---kind of becoming the BYU of conferences.

No telling where that could lead. I think it was Bill Gates that once said something to the effect that 'We tend to overestimate the amount of change coming in the next 2 years, but underestimate the change coming over the next 10 years'.

Again, not mad at the intent, but you cannot tell me that if the roles were reversed, you wouldn't find the helmet stickers, at minimum, amusing.

If you succeed in carving out some legitimate middle ground, you'll still be on the wrong side if the oft rumored breakaway ever comes to fruition.

Admittedly, I don't see the breakaway happening, but if it happens, they won't be looking to grow that group, if anything it will get smaller.

Some AAC fans are trolling with all the G6 nonsense. No one outside of them believe any of that crap. Good for them for keeping at it though as folks here keep falling for it. Hope they keep it up, you know , for kicks and giggles, etc.

(11-07-2017 12:19 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 12:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Personally, I think its a great marketing campaign aimed at product differentiation. End the concept that all G5 widgets are the same by making yours more popular and desired than others. Basically, the marketing campaign is designed to drive viewership interest, increase ratings, and improve demand for the next AAC TV contract. That said, long term I can easily see the AAC moving to a middle tier by itself---kind of becoming the BYU of conferences.

No telling where that could lead. I think it was Bill Gates that once said something to the effect that 'We tend to overestimate the amount of change coming in the next 2 years, but underestimate the change coming over the next 10 years'.

Again, not mad at the intent, but you cannot tell me that if the roles were reversed, you wouldn't find the helmet stickers, at minimum, amusing.

If you succeed in carving out some legitimate middle ground, you'll still be on the wrong side if the oft rumored breakaway ever comes to fruition.

Admittedly, I don't see the breakaway happening, but if it happens, they won't be looking to grow that group, if anything it will get smaller.

Depends on the time horizon and the trends. My feeling is that the P5 conferences have maxed out their ceilings. If thats true---then the vast majority of the future growth in college football is going to come from the smaller G5 schools that have yet to maximize their potential. Thats the main reason I dont think a split is coming. I dont think the networks want it. I cant think of a single instance where a network has purposely decided to ditch about 1/3 of a affluent college educated audience....along with most of the higher growth segment of the audience......and thats what happens to FBS football if the P5 split from the G5.

(11-07-2017 12:45 PM)VA49er Wrote:  Some AAC fans are trolling with all the G6 nonsense. No one outside of them believe any of that crap. Good for them for keeping at it though as folks here keep falling for it. Hope they keep it up, you know , for kicks and giggles, etc.

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(11-07-2017 01:01 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 12:19 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 12:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Personally, I think its a great marketing campaign aimed at product differentiation. End the concept that all G5 widgets are the same by making yours more popular and desired than others. Basically, the marketing campaign is designed to drive viewership interest, increase ratings, and improve demand for the next AAC TV contract. That said, long term I can easily see the AAC moving to a middle tier by itself---kind of becoming the BYU of conferences.

No telling where that could lead. I think it was Bill Gates that once said something to the effect that 'We tend to overestimate the amount of change coming in the next 2 years, but underestimate the change coming over the next 10 years'.

Again, not mad at the intent, but you cannot tell me that if the roles were reversed, you wouldn't find the helmet stickers, at minimum, amusing.

If you succeed in carving out some legitimate middle ground, you'll still be on the wrong side if the oft rumored breakaway ever comes to fruition.

Admittedly, I don't see the breakaway happening, but if it happens, they won't be looking to grow that group, if anything it will get smaller.

Depends on the time horizon and the trends. My feeling is that the P5 conferences have maxed out their ceilings. If thats true---then the vast majority of the future growth in college football is going to come from the smaller G5 schools that have yet to maximize their potential. Thats the main reason I dont think a split is coming. I dont think the networks want it. I cant think of a single instance where a network has purposely decided to ditch about 1/3 of a affluent college educated audience....along with most of the higher growth segment of the audience......and thats what happens to FBS football if the P5 split from the G5.

I honestly don't think the P5 will want it, unless they can "have their cake and eat it too" and somehow breakaway entirely, but still be able to schedule us OOC, which seems unlikely.

(11-07-2017 01:02 PM)otown Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 12:45 PM)VA49er Wrote:  Some AAC fans are trolling with all the G6 nonsense. No one outside of them believe any of that crap. Good for them for keeping at it though as folks here keep falling for it. Hope they keep it up, you know , for kicks and giggles, etc.

Post #107

Brando used the term G5 in another tweet two hours later...

(11-07-2017 01:01 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 12:19 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 12:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Personally, I think its a great marketing campaign aimed at product differentiation. End the concept that all G5 widgets are the same by making yours more popular and desired than others. Basically, the marketing campaign is designed to drive viewership interest, increase ratings, and improve demand for the next AAC TV contract. That said, long term I can easily see the AAC moving to a middle tier by itself---kind of becoming the BYU of conferences.

No telling where that could lead. I think it was Bill Gates that once said something to the effect that 'We tend to overestimate the amount of change coming in the next 2 years, but underestimate the change coming over the next 10 years'.

Again, not mad at the intent, but you cannot tell me that if the roles were reversed, you wouldn't find the helmet stickers, at minimum, amusing.

If you succeed in carving out some legitimate middle ground, you'll still be on the wrong side if the oft rumored breakaway ever comes to fruition.

Admittedly, I don't see the breakaway happening, but if it happens, they won't be looking to grow that group, if anything it will get smaller.

Depends on the time horizon and the trends. My feeling is that the P5 conferences have maxed out their ceilings. If thats true---then the vast majority of the future growth in college football is going to come from the smaller G5 schools that have yet to maximize their potential. Thats the main reason I dont think a split is coming. I dont think the networks want it. I cant think of a single instance where a network has purposely decided to ditch about 1/3 of a affluent college educated audience....along with most of the higher growth segment of the audience......and thats what happens to FBS football if the P5 split from the G5.

1/3?

Viewing audiences aren't spread out evenly amongst FBS schools you know.

They aren't going to ditch anyone. They do want to consolidate the higher marketable schools so they can pay them less overall but more per team. Then they'll turn around and offer the rest much less knowing they have the most valuable properties already and the value of what's left is severely diminished.

(11-07-2017 11:15 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 11:02 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Hate to burst the AAC bubble, but when this big shakeup happens (and it will), most likely there will be 4 sixteen team conferences. No one will be added.

For example:
ACC adds WVU and Iowa State
SEC adds Texas Tech and Texas
B1G adds KSU and Kansas
PAC 12 adds Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU, and Baylor.

Notre Dame remains Indy. All current P5s are accommodated. Done deal.

you are aware that the pac 12 desperately didnt want baylor before the rape scandal..so much so they added Colorado to try and avoid Baylor by the forceful hand of texas (and the texas legislator) when they were trying to add 4 big 12, 7 years ago..but now they'll take baylor, rapeu, horrible in football and all

why would the SEC take 2 more texas?

the acc already passed on wvu numerous times and said it had no interest

KSU isnt aau

you are aware where the state of iowa is located in comparison to the rest of the ACC

Are you aware of where Louisville is to the rest of the ACC and Nebraska to the rest of the Big 10? Or WVU to its nearest Big 12 foe? They don't care.

Theyre not going to slice the pie up even further.

(11-07-2017 01:21 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 01:01 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 12:19 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 12:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Personally, I think its a great marketing campaign aimed at product differentiation. End the concept that all G5 widgets are the same by making yours more popular and desired than others. Basically, the marketing campaign is designed to drive viewership interest, increase ratings, and improve demand for the next AAC TV contract. That said, long term I can easily see the AAC moving to a middle tier by itself---kind of becoming the BYU of conferences.

No telling where that could lead. I think it was Bill Gates that once said something to the effect that 'We tend to overestimate the amount of change coming in the next 2 years, but underestimate the change coming over the next 10 years'.

Again, not mad at the intent, but you cannot tell me that if the roles were reversed, you wouldn't find the helmet stickers, at minimum, amusing.

If you succeed in carving out some legitimate middle ground, you'll still be on the wrong side if the oft rumored breakaway ever comes to fruition.

Admittedly, I don't see the breakaway happening, but if it happens, they won't be looking to grow that group, if anything it will get smaller.

Depends on the time horizon and the trends. My feeling is that the P5 conferences have maxed out their ceilings. If thats true---then the vast majority of the future growth in college football is going to come from the smaller G5 schools that have yet to maximize their potential. Thats the main reason I dont think a split is coming. I dont think the networks want it. I cant think of a single instance where a network has purposely decided to ditch about 1/3 of a affluent college educated audience....along with most of the higher growth segment of the audience......and thats what happens to FBS football if the P5 split from the G5.

1/3?

Viewing audiences aren't spread out evenly amongst FBS schools you know.

They aren't going to ditch anyone. They do want to consolidate the higher marketable schools so they can pay them less overall but more per team. Then they'll turn around and offer the rest much less knowing they have the most valuable properties already and the value of what's left is severely diminished.

Correct. Thats why I used 1/3. The G5 represents half the teams in FBS, but much less than half the audience (might even be less than 1/3---I was probably being charitable--maybe its just 20-25%). The idea is the same. Networks geek out if they lose 5% of an audience over some controversy. They arent going to be interested in losing 20-25% of an affluent college educated audience---especially if thats the portion of the audience where most of the future growth lies.