(11-10-2017 11:45 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  From a Sports Illustrated article dated 11/9 (link)

Quote:A federal indictment released Wednesday implicates that former Louisville coach Rick Pitino was fully aware of a scheme to pay a high school recruit and also participated in the planning.

And there is film!

Quote:The indictment includes details of a meeting that took place in Las Vegas in late July, in which the Federal Bureau of Investigation was recording and videotaping.

Maybe TerryD can confirm, but I think attempted bribery is just as bad as bribery.

Almost as bad. Both are really bad if the FBI has it on audio/visual.

I saw that which is why I said that the FBI and Federal prosecutors have the last word.

(11-10-2017 11:45 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  From a Sports Illustrated article dated 11/9 (link)

Quote:A federal indictment released Wednesday implicates that former Louisville coach Rick Pitino was fully aware of a scheme to pay a high school recruit and also participated in the planning.

And there is film!

Quote:The indictment includes details of a meeting that took place in Las Vegas in late July, in which the Federal Bureau of Investigation was recording and videotaping.

Maybe TerryD can confirm, but I think attempted bribery is just as bad as bribery.

If the FBI had Pitino on tape, discussing arranging $100,000 to land a player, Pitino would have been arrested for fraud like the assistant coaches at Auburn, Oklahoma State, Arizona and Southern Cal that were already arrested.

There IS no tape of Pitino talking about this.

In the indictment, it is IMPLIED he knew. And the people in the room ON TAPE also imply that Pitino knew. But that is NOT evidence that Pitino DID know.

This latest media blitz is strong on innuendo, and weak on fact.

It sure would save U of L a huge chunk of coin if this was true. If U of L can show that Pitino knew about this, let alone was instrumental in this (as this latest media deal says), the $40+ million Pitino is fighting for would be much safer.

So I am hoping they can prove this. I'd prefer we spend that money on the next coach. And not on Pitino, at this point.

But nothing has come out that shows Pitino knew at this point.

(11-10-2017 04:37 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(11-10-2017 11:45 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  From a Sports Illustrated article dated 11/9 (link)

Quote:A federal indictment released Wednesday implicates that former Louisville coach Rick Pitino was fully aware of a scheme to pay a high school recruit and also participated in the planning.

And there is film!

Quote:The indictment includes details of a meeting that took place in Las Vegas in late July, in which the Federal Bureau of Investigation was recording and videotaping.

Maybe TerryD can confirm, but I think attempted bribery is just as bad as bribery.

If the FBI had Pitino on tape, discussing arranging $100,000 to land a player, Pitino would have been arrested for fraud like the assistant coaches at Auburn, Oklahoma State, Arizona and Southern Cal that were already arrested.

There IS no tape of Pitino talking about this.

In the indictment, it is IMPLIED he knew. And the people in the room ON TAPE also imply that Pitino knew. But that is NOT evidence that Pitino DID know.

This latest media blitz is strong on innuendo, and weak on fact.

It sure would save U of L a huge chunk of coin if this was true. If U of L can show that Pitino knew about this, let alone was instrumental in this (as this latest media deal says), the $40+ million Pitino is fighting for would be much safer.

So I am hoping they can prove this. I'd prefer we spend that money on the next coach. And not on Pitino, at this point.

But nothing has come out that shows Pitino knew at this point.

I believe the innuendo comes from Dawson, who has been caught in lies trying to indict Miami head coach has he not? The new release is just a rerelease of the original without names & such withheld is it not? There aren't any phone records to my knowledge connecting Dawson to Pitino in this matter.


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(11-10-2017 12:38 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Jurich and Pitino are gone. Time to move on.

It's hard to move on when you have a foundation of mud to build on. Firing Pitino was 100% correct but the university should have handled it better & why all of the lies & mud slinging towards Jurich?

1) The Adidas deal. Postel claims that he had no knowledge of the deal & yet the lawyers in the presidents office wrote up the contract. Jurich met 11 times with the presidents office & board regarding the Adidas deal. It was approved by the presidents office & the board.

2) Postel had given Jurich high remarks at his review in June. The AD got an excellent review from its most recent audit. Over the last 19 years the university as a whole experienced aggressive growth, that wouldn't be done with poor or invisible leadership. The employee turnover in the AD has been low, hardly an indication of a bullying atmosphere.

3) The BOT seemed woo fully misinformed on a number of topics. One Trustee questioned Pitino about 17 Level 1 NCAA infractions against the basketball program, according to Pitino. Reality, there aren't. Another Trustee said that he was just made aware of the growth that the university experienced under Jurich as he casted his vote against firing Jurich. As a BOT they seem very ignorant to the history of the university & given that only 2 has contributed more than $10 thousand to the athletic department one can question their level of commitment to the university as well. The other members have contributed a range of 2 thousand to zero.

4) With the new leadership we were supposed to get more transparency & a broader scope of hiring & yet we have seen the same MO. I've heard that 21 of the top 30 jobs at the UofL has gone to Kentucky alums. That's fine but why are we restricting our search to one group of alums & not searching for the most qualified individuals? Where is the transparency in the presidential search? Where is the transparency in Jurich termination? Refusing to answer questions at the press conference to announce Jurich firing isn't transparency. Sneaking out a side door after the BOT voted to terminate Jurich isn't transparency.

It's hard to move forward when the new leaders present an ominous tone. They seem to be making rapid decisions without actual facts & many Trustees seem to be reluctant to do their homework. There isn't any more transparency & we are hiring "friends & family". My concern is that we will see more of the same. The game is the same, only the names have changed sort to say. Only time will reveal the motives of the new leadership. They haven't gained my confidence yet, in fact my confidence has wained. The incompetence in the way that Jurich termination has been handled is unsettling & it's a decision that I otherwise would have supported.


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(11-10-2017 04:37 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(11-10-2017 11:45 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  From a Sports Illustrated article dated 11/9 (link)

Quote:A federal indictment released Wednesday implicates that former Louisville coach Rick Pitino was fully aware of a scheme to pay a high school recruit and also participated in the planning.

And there is film!

Quote:The indictment includes details of a meeting that took place in Las Vegas in late July, in which the Federal Bureau of Investigation was recording and videotaping.

Maybe TerryD can confirm, but I think attempted bribery is just as bad as bribery.

If the FBI had Pitino on tape, discussing arranging $100,000 to land a player, Pitino would have been arrested for fraud like the assistant coaches at Auburn, Oklahoma State, Arizona and Southern Cal that were already arrested.

There IS no tape of Pitino talking about this.

In the indictment, it is IMPLIED he knew. And the people in the room ON TAPE also imply that Pitino knew. But that is NOT evidence that Pitino DID know.

This latest media blitz is strong on innuendo, and weak on fact.

It sure would save U of L a huge chunk of coin if this was true. If U of L can show that Pitino knew about this, let alone was instrumental in this (as this latest media deal says), the $40+ million Pitino is fighting for would be much safer.

So I am hoping they can prove this. I'd prefer we spend that money on the next coach. And not on Pitino, at this point.

But nothing has come out that shows Pitino knew at this point.

It is evidence. It would be admitted into evidence if the FBI authenticates the recording, which they would.

The guy who said it will also appear in court and testify. That is also evidence.

Is that enough to convict? Got me, but it is evidence in court.

(11-11-2017 08:59 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-10-2017 12:38 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Jurich and Pitino are gone. Time to move on.

It's hard to move on when you have a foundation of mud to build on. Firing Pitino was 100% correct but the university should have handled it better & why all of the lies & mud slinging towards Jurich?

1) The Adidas deal. Postel claims that he had no knowledge of the deal & yet the lawyers in the presidents office wrote up the contract. Jurich met 11 times with the presidents office & board regarding the Adidas deal. It was approved by the presidents office & the board.

2) Postel had given Jurich high remarks at his review in June. The AD got an excellent review from its most recent audit. Over the last 19 years the university as a whole experienced aggressive growth, that wouldn't be done with poor or invisible leadership. The employee turnover in the AD has been low, hardly an indication of a bullying atmosphere.

3) The BOT seemed woo fully misinformed on a number of topics. One Trustee questioned Pitino about 17 Level 1 NCAA infractions against the basketball program, according to Pitino. Reality, there aren't. Another Trustee said that he was just made aware of the growth that the university experienced under Jurich as he casted his vote against firing Jurich. As a BOT they seem very ignorant to the history of the university & given that only 2 has contributed more than $10 thousand to the athletic department one can question their level of commitment to the university as well. The other members have contributed a range of 2 thousand to zero.

4) With the new leadership we were supposed to get more transparency & a broader scope of hiring & yet we have seen the same MO. I've heard that 21 of the top 30 jobs at the UofL has gone to Kentucky alums. That's fine but why are we restricting our search to one group of alums & not searching for the most qualified individuals? Where is the transparency in the presidential search? Where is the transparency in Jurich termination? Refusing to answer questions at the press conference to announce Jurich firing isn't transparency. Sneaking out a side door after the BOT voted to terminate Jurich isn't transparency.

It's hard to move forward when the new leaders present an ominous tone. They seem to be making rapid decisions without actual facts & many Trustees seem to be reluctant to do their homework. There isn't any more transparency & we are hiring "friends & family". My concern is that we will see more of the same. The game is the same, only the names have changed sort to say. Only time will reveal the motives of the new leadership. They haven't gained my confidence yet, in fact my confidence has wained. The incompetence in the way that Jurich termination has been handled is unsettling & it's a decision that I otherwise would have supported.


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http://www.courier-journal.com/story/spo...729345001/

(11-14-2017 09:41 AM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 08:59 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-10-2017 12:38 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Jurich and Pitino are gone. Time to move on.

It's hard to move on when you have a foundation of mud to build on. Firing Pitino was 100% correct but the university should have handled it better & why all of the lies & mud slinging towards Jurich?

1) The Adidas deal. Postel claims that he had no knowledge of the deal & yet the lawyers in the presidents office wrote up the contract. Jurich met 11 times with the presidents office & board regarding the Adidas deal. It was approved by the presidents office & the board.

2) Postel had given Jurich high remarks at his review in June. The AD got an excellent review from its most recent audit. Over the last 19 years the university as a whole experienced aggressive growth, that wouldn't be done with poor or invisible leadership. The employee turnover in the AD has been low, hardly an indication of a bullying atmosphere.

3) The BOT seemed woo fully misinformed on a number of topics. One Trustee questioned Pitino about 17 Level 1 NCAA infractions against the basketball program, according to Pitino. Reality, there aren't. Another Trustee said that he was just made aware of the growth that the university experienced under Jurich as he casted his vote against firing Jurich. As a BOT they seem very ignorant to the history of the university & given that only 2 has contributed more than $10 thousand to the athletic department one can question their level of commitment to the university as well. The other members have contributed a range of 2 thousand to zero.

4) With the new leadership we were supposed to get more transparency & a broader scope of hiring & yet we have seen the same MO. I've heard that 21 of the top 30 jobs at the UofL has gone to Kentucky alums. That's fine but why are we restricting our search to one group of alums & not searching for the most qualified individuals? Where is the transparency in the presidential search? Where is the transparency in Jurich termination? Refusing to answer questions at the press conference to announce Jurich firing isn't transparency. Sneaking out a side door after the BOT voted to terminate Jurich isn't transparency.

It's hard to move forward when the new leaders present an ominous tone. They seem to be making rapid decisions without actual facts & many Trustees seem to be reluctant to do their homework. There isn't any more transparency & we are hiring "friends & family". My concern is that we will see more of the same. The game is the same, only the names have changed sort to say. Only time will reveal the motives of the new leadership. They haven't gained my confidence yet, in fact my confidence has wained. The incompetence in the way that Jurich termination has been handled is unsettling & it's a decision that I otherwise would have supported.


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http://www.courier-journal.com/story/spo...729345001/

Actions speak louder than words. It's easy to talk about restoring integrity but it's completely different than actually doing it. So far it's just talk. The BOT seem complacent in their jobs & just accept whatever nonsense that Grissom & Postel spew out. Besides Tyra, all we've gotten is just lip service. I wish that they would have handled Jurich termination with integrity.


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(11-14-2017 10:06 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 09:41 AM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 08:59 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-10-2017 12:38 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Jurich and Pitino are gone. Time to move on.

It's hard to move on when you have a foundation of mud to build on. Firing Pitino was 100% correct but the university should have handled it better & why all of the lies & mud slinging towards Jurich?

1) The Adidas deal. Postel claims that he had no knowledge of the deal & yet the lawyers in the presidents office wrote up the contract. Jurich met 11 times with the presidents office & board regarding the Adidas deal. It was approved by the presidents office & the board.

2) Postel had given Jurich high remarks at his review in June. The AD got an excellent review from its most recent audit. Over the last 19 years the university as a whole experienced aggressive growth, that wouldn't be done with poor or invisible leadership. The employee turnover in the AD has been low, hardly an indication of a bullying atmosphere.

3) The BOT seemed woo fully misinformed on a number of topics. One Trustee questioned Pitino about 17 Level 1 NCAA infractions against the basketball program, according to Pitino. Reality, there aren't. Another Trustee said that he was just made aware of the growth that the university experienced under Jurich as he casted his vote against firing Jurich. As a BOT they seem very ignorant to the history of the university & given that only 2 has contributed more than $10 thousand to the athletic department one can question their level of commitment to the university as well. The other members have contributed a range of 2 thousand to zero.

4) With the new leadership we were supposed to get more transparency & a broader scope of hiring & yet we have seen the same MO. I've heard that 21 of the top 30 jobs at the UofL has gone to Kentucky alums. That's fine but why are we restricting our search to one group of alums & not searching for the most qualified individuals? Where is the transparency in the presidential search? Where is the transparency in Jurich termination? Refusing to answer questions at the press conference to announce Jurich firing isn't transparency. Sneaking out a side door after the BOT voted to terminate Jurich isn't transparency.

It's hard to move forward when the new leaders present an ominous tone. They seem to be making rapid decisions without actual facts & many Trustees seem to be reluctant to do their homework. There isn't any more transparency & we are hiring "friends & family". My concern is that we will see more of the same. The game is the same, only the names have changed sort to say. Only time will reveal the motives of the new leadership. They haven't gained my confidence yet, in fact my confidence has wained. The incompetence in the way that Jurich termination has been handled is unsettling & it's a decision that I otherwise would have supported.


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http://www.courier-journal.com/story/spo...729345001/

Actions speak louder than words. It's easy to talk about restoring integrity but it's completely different than actually doing it. So far it's just talk. The BOT seem complacent in their jobs & just accept whatever nonsense that Grissom & Postel spew out. Besides Tyra, all we've gotten is just lip service. I wish that they would have handled Jurich termination with integrity.


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Agree! Same standard should be required by all.

Please search Wolfson article.


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Folks in a snit over handling of the scandals at U of L need to acquaint themselves with the concept of vicarious liability. In layman's terms, think of it as **** rolling uphill.

(11-15-2017 02:17 PM)colohank Wrote:  Folks in a snit over handling of the scandals at U of L need to acquaint themselves with the concept of vicarious liability. In layman's terms, think of it as **** rolling uphill.

Thats a legal term in insurance. You must be in the insurance or legal industry.

(11-15-2017 03:31 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 02:17 PM)colohank Wrote:  Folks in a snit over handling of the scandals at U of L need to acquaint themselves with the concept of vicarious liability. In layman's terms, think of it as **** rolling uphill.

Thats a legal term in insurance. You must be in the insurance or legal industry.

That's a legal term with broader application than just insurance. I'm retired federal law enforcement.

(11-15-2017 02:17 PM)colohank Wrote:  Folks in a snit over handling of the scandals at U of L need to acquaint themselves with the concept of vicarious liability. In layman's terms, think of it as **** rolling uphill.

Did not know scandal was a plural on the Federal level.?

(11-15-2017 04:49 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 02:17 PM)colohank Wrote:  Folks in a snit over handling of the scandals at U of L need to acquaint themselves with the concept of vicarious liability. In layman's terms, think of it as **** rolling uphill.

Did not know scandal was a plural on the Federal level.?

One recent scandal at U of L involved luring recruits by hosting sex and stripper parties. And now, a second, separate scandal at U of L (and to be fair, at other institutions) involves enticing recruits by channeling cash incentives from shoe and apparel companies to them through coaching staff. One scandal at U of L plus another scandal equals two scandals, so...plural. There's also Pitino's restaurant antics with an assistant's wife. That was scandalous, wasn't it? And who knows? There may be more.

Anyway, my use of the plural form of scandal has nothing to do with my career as a fed. And my career in law enforcement had nothing to do with unsavory characters and shady dealings in college athletic departments. I operated in an entirely different realm.

BoT needs to make sure they are clean in this current Enviroment.

(11-15-2017 02:17 PM)colohank Wrote:  Folks in a snit over handling of the scandals at U of L need to acquaint themselves with the concept of vicarious liability. In layman's terms, think of it as **** rolling uphill.

Nobody is in a snit over the handling of the scandals, people are in a snit over how the university terminated Jurich. Nobody expected Postel to come out a lay out the legal case for his termination after the BOT vote but to refuse to answer any questions about it & the chairman sneaking out the side door is unacceptable. You can give generalities & not specifics. They refused to give any comment. Let's not also forget the slander campaign they pushed through the local paper & the fact that their reasons were made public anyway when the letter to Jurich was made public. How about the trustees having misinformation? The legal concept of the university trying to terminate Jurich with cause is understood but that's not what fans are in a snit about. Grissom & Postel actions likely only exacerbated Jurich case against the university.


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(11-17-2017 02:11 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 02:17 PM)colohank Wrote:  Folks in a snit over handling of the scandals at U of L need to acquaint themselves with the concept of vicarious liability. In layman's terms, think of it as **** rolling uphill.

Nobody is in a snit over the handling of the scandals, people are in a snit over how the university terminated Jurich. Nobody expected Postel to come out a lay out the legal case for his termination after the BOT vote but to refuse to answer any questions about it & the chairman sneaking out the side door is unacceptable. You can give generalities & not specifics. They refused to give any comment. Let's not also forget the slander campaign they pushed through the local paper & the fact that their reasons were made public anyway when the letter to Jurich was made public. How about the trustees having misinformation? The legal concept of the university trying to terminate Jurich with cause is understood but that's not what fans are in a snit about. Grissom & Postel actions likely only exacerbated Jurich case against the university.


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I submit that the Jurich's terminaton was a part of the way the university handled the scandals, which occurred and recurred on his watch. Though he may not have been directly involved in unsavory or unlawful shenanigans, he was responsible for the overall administration of the athletic department and in that capacity failed to establish and/or enforce acceptable standards of conduct. Thus, his vicarious liability. He was also insubordinate, according to published accounts, because he refused to fire Pitino when so directed.

Only in Paths of Glory are lowly enlisted men held accountable for failures on the battlefield. In the real world, it's the generals who take the fall when things go south. And who knows? Perhaps more higher-ups will be forced out before the dust settles.

(11-17-2017 05:28 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:11 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 02:17 PM)colohank Wrote:  Folks in a snit over handling of the scandals at U of L need to acquaint themselves with the concept of vicarious liability. In layman's terms, think of it as **** rolling uphill.

Nobody is in a snit over the handling of the scandals, people are in a snit over how the university terminated Jurich. Nobody expected Postel to come out a lay out the legal case for his termination after the BOT vote but to refuse to answer any questions about it & the chairman sneaking out the side door is unacceptable. You can give generalities & not specifics. They refused to give any comment. Let's not also forget the slander campaign they pushed through the local paper & the fact that their reasons were made public anyway when the letter to Jurich was made public. How about the trustees having misinformation? The legal concept of the university trying to terminate Jurich with cause is understood but that's not what fans are in a snit about. Grissom & Postel actions likely only exacerbated Jurich case against the university.


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I submit that the Jurich's terminaton was a part of the way the university handled the scandals, which occurred and recurred on his watch. Though he may not have been directly involved in unsavory or unlawful shenanigans, he was responsible for the overall administration of the athletic department and in that capacity failed to establish and/or enforce acceptable standards of conduct. Thus, his vicarious liability. He was also insubordinate, according to published accounts, because he refused to fire Pitino when so directed.

Only in Paths of Glory are lowly enlisted men held accountable for failures on the battlefield. In the real world, it's the generals who take the fall when things go south. And who knows? Perhaps more higher-ups will be forced out before the dust settles.

Hope so!

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(11-17-2017 05:28 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:11 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 02:17 PM)colohank Wrote:  Folks in a snit over handling of the scandals at U of L need to acquaint themselves with the concept of vicarious liability. In layman's terms, think of it as **** rolling uphill.

Nobody is in a snit over the handling of the scandals, people are in a snit over how the university terminated Jurich. Nobody expected Postel to come out a lay out the legal case for his termination after the BOT vote but to refuse to answer any questions about it & the chairman sneaking out the side door is unacceptable. You can give generalities & not specifics. They refused to give any comment. Let's not also forget the slander campaign they pushed through the local paper & the fact that their reasons were made public anyway when the letter to Jurich was made public. How about the trustees having misinformation? The legal concept of the university trying to terminate Jurich with cause is understood but that's not what fans are in a snit about. Grissom & Postel actions likely only exacerbated Jurich case against the university.


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I submit that the Jurich's terminaton was a part of the way the university handled the scandals, which occurred and recurred on his watch. Though he may not have been directly involved in unsavory or unlawful shenanigans, he was responsible for the overall administration of the athletic department and in that capacity failed to establish and/or enforce acceptable standards of conduct. Thus, his vicarious liability. He was also insubordinate, according to published accounts, because he refused to fire Pitino when so directed.

Only in Paths of Glory are lowly enlisted men held accountable for failures on the battlefield. In the real world, it's the generals who take the fall when things go south. And who knows? Perhaps more higher-ups will be forced out before the dust settles.

The published account of insubordination that you mentioned only proves my point. According to Postel & Jurich he was never asked or ordered to fire Pitino. That wasn't even in the letter written to Jurich. That is an example of one of the false accounts. Again, no one is saying that Jurich shouldn't have been fired. It was the way it was done.


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(11-20-2017 08:26 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 05:28 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:11 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 02:17 PM)colohank Wrote:  Folks in a snit over handling of the scandals at U of L need to acquaint themselves with the concept of vicarious liability. In layman's terms, think of it as **** rolling uphill.

Nobody is in a snit over the handling of the scandals, people are in a snit over how the university terminated Jurich. Nobody expected Postel to come out a lay out the legal case for his termination after the BOT vote but to refuse to answer any questions about it & the chairman sneaking out the side door is unacceptable. You can give generalities & not specifics. They refused to give any comment. Let's not also forget the slander campaign they pushed through the local paper & the fact that their reasons were made public anyway when the letter to Jurich was made public. How about the trustees having misinformation? The legal concept of the university trying to terminate Jurich with cause is understood but that's not what fans are in a snit about. Grissom & Postel actions likely only exacerbated Jurich case against the university.


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I submit that the Jurich's terminaton was a part of the way the university handled the scandals, which occurred and recurred on his watch. Though he may not have been directly involved in unsavory or unlawful shenanigans, he was responsible for the overall administration of the athletic department and in that capacity failed to establish and/or enforce acceptable standards of conduct. Thus, his vicarious liability. He was also insubordinate, according to published accounts, because he refused to fire Pitino when so directed.

Only in Paths of Glory are lowly enlisted men held accountable for failures on the battlefield. In the real world, it's the generals who take the fall when things go south. And who knows? Perhaps more higher-ups will be forced out before the dust settles.

The published account of insubordination that you mentioned only proves my point. According to Postel & Jurich he was never asked or ordered to fire Pitino. That wasn't even in the letter written to Jurich. That is an example of one of the false accounts. Again, no one is saying that Jurich shouldn't have been fired. It was the way it was done.


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Who cares how it was done? Jurich was being paid a ton of money. You take that kind of money; you accept responsibility. Football coaches say there are two kinds of coaches -- those who have been fired and those who will be fired. Getting fired is part of the deal. It's about the same for ADs. It's time for Louisville fans to get over it. Accept reality and move on.

(11-20-2017 10:41 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(11-20-2017 08:26 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 05:28 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:11 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 02:17 PM)colohank Wrote:  Folks in a snit over handling of the scandals at U of L need to acquaint themselves with the concept of vicarious liability. In layman's terms, think of it as **** rolling uphill.

Nobody is in a snit over the handling of the scandals, people are in a snit over how the university terminated Jurich. Nobody expected Postel to come out a lay out the legal case for his termination after the BOT vote but to refuse to answer any questions about it & the chairman sneaking out the side door is unacceptable. You can give generalities & not specifics. They refused to give any comment. Let's not also forget the slander campaign they pushed through the local paper & the fact that their reasons were made public anyway when the letter to Jurich was made public. How about the trustees having misinformation? The legal concept of the university trying to terminate Jurich with cause is understood but that's not what fans are in a snit about. Grissom & Postel actions likely only exacerbated Jurich case against the university.


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I submit that the Jurich's terminaton was a part of the way the university handled the scandals, which occurred and recurred on his watch. Though he may not have been directly involved in unsavory or unlawful shenanigans, he was responsible for the overall administration of the athletic department and in that capacity failed to establish and/or enforce acceptable standards of conduct. Thus, his vicarious liability. He was also insubordinate, according to published accounts, because he refused to fire Pitino when so directed.

Only in Paths of Glory are lowly enlisted men held accountable for failures on the battlefield. In the real world, it's the generals who take the fall when things go south. And who knows? Perhaps more higher-ups will be forced out before the dust settles.

The published account of insubordination that you mentioned only proves my point. According to Postel & Jurich he was never asked or ordered to fire Pitino. That wasn't even in the letter written to Jurich. That is an example of one of the false accounts. Again, no one is saying that Jurich shouldn't have been fired. It was the way it was done.


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Who cares how it was done? Jurich was being paid a ton of money. You take that kind of money; you accept responsibility. Football coaches say there are two kinds of coaches -- those who have been fired and those who will be fired. Getting fired is part of the deal. It's about the same for ADs. It's time for Louisville fans to get over it. Accept reality and move on.

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